Wilting Leaves? Pics Need Help

[mr.sessemia]

yeah thats definately a potassium deffenciey and under feeding!!!!!

 

[Brimi]

yeah thats definately a potassium deffenciey and under feeding!!!!!

This might be the case, but it's deffinately not caused by under feeding in my opinion. You need to check ph-value, since this is causing a lockout if this is the case. General underfeeding would have cause a more light green plant overall. (anyway this is what i think, and i'm afraid you'll kill the plant if adding more nutrients)

 

[Ryanlikelion]

I'm going to buy a ph meter, I watered the plants about 2 and a half days ago. Should i water right now? and btw my lights off for the plants is in 30 mins!

 

[Brimi]

You need to stop counting days and water when they need it. Lift up the pot to weigh it. It needs to be super light before next watering.

 

[Ryanlikelion]

haha fuck sorry first time grow. i literally just put a bottle (500ml) of tap water into each pot. lights out is in 30 are new leaves going to develop in the place of the dying big original leaves? you know the very top first huge leaves. mine seem to all be wilting up.

 

[Brimi]

haha fuck sorry first time grow. i literally just put a bottle (500ml) of tap water into each pot. lights out is in 30 are new leaves going to develop in the place of the dying big original leaves? you know the very top first huge leaves. mine seem to all be wilting up.

The leaves will not grow back if they don't recover - you'll have to depend on new growth with new fan leaves (the big leaves you are talking about)

 

[Ryanlikelion]

The leaves will not grow back if they don't recover - you'll have to depend on new growth with new fan leaves (the big leaves you are talking about)

so should i just let the plants chill out for 2-3 days and check back on them / just let the fan leaves die? or pull them? how essential are them in comparison to the other leaves? sorry

 

[mr.sessemia]

This might be the case, but it's deffinately not caused by under feeding in my opinion. You need to check ph-value, since this is causing a lockout if this is the case. General underfeeding would have cause a more light green plant overall. (anyway this is what i think, and i'm afraid you'll kill the plant if adding more nutrients)

thats true brimi but the wouldnt you agree that the ppms would be an indicator of how light and dark the plants leaves become and not nessecirally how much he's been feeding you can warter plants as much as you like and if the parts per million (wich measures the nutrient to water ratio) is low then the plant will become light im color ,...wich is same of the opposite if the parts per million are high then the plant will become dark ......even if its being under fed

 

[Ryanlikelion]

thats true brimi but the wouldnt you agree that the ppms would be an indicator of how light and dark the plants leaves become and not nessecirally how much he's been feeding you can warter plants as much as you like and if the parts per million (wich measures the nutrient to water ratio) is low then the plant will become light im color ,...wich is same of the opposite if the parts per million are high then the plant will become dark ......even if its being under fed

confused my entire diagnosis... mhmm should i just let them chill out for 2-3 days? and 500 ml in each pot is accetable for watering? whats a normal dosage ?

 

[Ryanlikelion]

also are my buds up to par with being around 3-4 weeks in flowering?

 

[mr.sessemia]

bro i dont dont want to confuse you ...brimi knows what he is talking about but ,.....i know that that could be a possibility i wouldnt have said it if if wasnt....like i said he may be able to guide you more beacause he dose soil grows....and i do not....but whats happening with your girls happens in all types of grows

 

[Ryanlikelion]

bro i dont dont want to confuse you ...brimi knows what he is talking about but ,.....i know that that could be a possibility i wouldnt have said it if if wasnt....like i said he may be able to guide you more beacause he dose soil grows....and i do not....but whats happening with your girls happens in all types of grows

that last sentence was very assuring. lol

 

[mr.sessemia]

honestly me being real bro saying they look ok would be a compliment,........they can be better if youre doing a sealed grow then maybe you may wanna introduce some co2 in there if not then work with what you have.. brimi has a valid point in sayin the p.h of your water may be locking up your nutes and preventing the plant from taking in the potassuim it needs the easist way to find that out would be to check your waters p.h ....id try to keep it at a steady 6.0 beacause there in intensive care .....if your p.h has been off then brimis right and your waters locking your nutes after maybe a week if you dont see a change then id go with my diagnosis and see about your potassium.....process of elimanation.............also id look up potassium deffecienys and compare them to youre plants ..........that my give you a better idea ....good luck

 

[mr.sessemia]

that last sentence was very assuring. lol

lol my bad you want a pat on the back or you wanna save this patient doctor!!!!!!!.....lol

 

[Brimi]

thats true brimi but the wouldnt you agree that the ppms would be an indicator of how light and dark the plants leaves become and not nessecirally how much he's been feeding you can warter plants as much as you like and if the parts per million (wich measures the nutrient to water ratio) is low then the plant will become light im color ,...wich is same of the opposite if the parts per million are high then the plant will become dark ......even if its being under fed

I'm not sure of the question herer. Im my head a plant with a high ppm is not underfed. Off course the high ppm can be caused by other particles, but generally they're some kinds of nutes. Generally sativa plants are a lighter green color than that of indicas.

If those were my plants i would:
1: Give them a bit of rest putting the lights a bit further away than they are now.
2: Flush it in ph-adjusted water (2-3 buckets the size of the pot)
3: If you can - you can make some extra drainage in the bottom with leca or stones. This will prevent root rot and make excess water run away instead of getting stuck in the bottom.

Then i would wait and hopefully see the plant bounce back into growth within the next week or so. I'm no gardener - this is just what i would have tried.

 

[Ryanlikelion]

I'm not sure of the question herer. Im my head a plant with a high ppm is not underfed. Off course the high ppm can be caused by other particles, but generally they're some kinds of nutes. Generally sativa plants are a lighter green color than that of indicas.

If those were my plants i would:
1: Give them a bit of rest putting the lights a bit further away than they are now.
2: Flush it in ph-adjusted water (2-3 buckets the size of the pot)
3: If you can - you can make some extra drainage in the bottom with leca or stones. This will prevent root rot and make excess water run away instead of getting stuck in the bottom.

Then i would wait and hopefully see the plant bounce back into growth within the next week or so. I'm no gardener - this is just what i would have tried.

aww yes thankyou. exactly what i needed DIRECTIONS!

I'm going to flush them tomorrow or the day after. About extra drainage im going to now just take them out everyday for an hour and water them outside. natural light cant hurt just help right? Also i don't know if i have root rot? None of the roots are sticking out of the pots and the pot size is less than 2 gallons large, crazy right?

ANOTHER THING: about the lights I'm using 4 kessil LED's and 1 Sun Systems 150 hps.
http://www.hydrofarm.com/pb_detail.php?itemid=11738


http://www.hydrofarm.com/pb_detail.php?itemid=11738

 

[Brimi]

aww yes thankyou. exactly what i needed DIRECTIONS!

I'm going to flush them tomorrow or the day after. About extra drainage im going to now just take them out everyday for an hour and water them outside. natural light cant hurt just help right? Also i don't know if i have root rot? None of the roots are sticking out of the pots and the pot size is less than 2 gallons large, crazy right?

ANOTHER THING: about the lights I'm using 4 kessil LED's and 1 Sun Systems 150 hps.
http://www.hydrofarm.com/pb_detail.php?itemid=11738


http://www.hydrofarm.com/pb_detail.php?itemid=11738

No problem. A big root system is sign of a healthy plant. If your plants were very healthy you'd probably see white crispy roots in the bottom - if roots are a bit yellow they're not happy.

Don't give it more than 1 hour of direct sunlight - or put it in a bit of shade where it gets a lot of indirect sunlight. Sun will burn it like your skin, so you need to train it over some days to keep it unburned. 1 hour first day - 2 hours next day etc. for 5-7 days if you want to put the outside.

The more hours you wait the more damage they'll take. I wouldn't wait for them to get closer to death before flushing - but again - this might not even be the problem.

One thing - make sure your ph-value is right. This is almost always what causes the deficiencies.

 

[Ryanlikelion]

No problem. A big root system is sign of a healthy plant. If your plants were very healthy you'd probably see white crispy roots in the bottom - if roots are a bit yellow they're not happy.

Don't give it more than 1 hour of direct sunlight - or put it in a bit of shade where it gets a lot of indirect sunlight. Sun will burn it like your skin, so you need to train it over some days to keep it unburned. 1 hour first day - 2 hours next day etc. for 5-7 days if you want to put the outside.

The more hours you wait the more damage they'll take. I wouldn't wait for them to get closer to death before flushing - but again - this might not even be the problem.

One thing - make sure your ph-value is right. This is almost always what causes the deficiencies.

yeah sorry. i gotta wait on the flush sadly no time. but hopefully they'll pull thru they were clones from the start and were used to nutrients. and dealt with nuit issues even back in veg. i dunno why i gave them nuits then but oh well. Hopefully wednesday I will see some bud growth and assume they are still growing... and how can i tell if the roots are white or brown/rotting? if they are in soil? btw I'm repping you for the help.

 

[Brimi]

Don't know bro. I would:
1: flush that very carefully and thoroughly.
2: Then let it rest a bit away from too powerfull lights
3: Don't feed more until you see regular growth
4: Take off the most crisp leaves making light for new growth.

Those are the best tips i can give you buddy. Make sure to test your ph-value as this causes most nute lockouts.

 

[Ryanlikelion]

so here's the update. the plants were dying all the leaves were winkling up so i ended up harvested the plants way early. about 6 weeks early.... sad but whatever this was my first grow and the nugs smell really dank.