Can I use Distilled water without manipulating pH?

Nullis

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To complete the answer...

Ph is a small part of the whole problem with Distilled water. Most water you use will have trace elements that any and all plants simply love. Rain water is far from pure. As it falls it collects particles (good and bad) on the way down. It usually ends up with a PPM relative to that of tap water. Distilled water removes ALL microbial and metals in the water, it's truly purified. Even in a soil setup, if using Distilled water you're going to spend a small fortune replacing the micro nutrients that the plant needs such as calcium, magnesium, manganese, etc. So all in all the 'best' option for most plants is ph balanced water that is the best for that of your method and medium; and is nothing more than RO filtered water. That removes 'most' of the bad, and leaves enough 'trace' of the good that the most supplementing of your plants would be something like CalMag. I've looked at the total cost of 'custom detailing' water to your plants by starting with distilled and came to about $150 in nutes and additives to make the water right. It's better to just start with chlorine/chloramine/ammonia free water, with a relatively low ECC/PPM, and Ph to your needs after adding your nutes (if you use liquid nutes)

Peace
I beg to differ. All rain water I have collected tests between 003 and 011 ppm after falling from the atmosphere, flowing down the roof, through the gutters (filled with debris) into the bucket. I don't entirely disagree that when it rains mineral deposits which are scattered and concentrated throughout the soil surface dissolve and/or flow where they might be more useful, but I strongly disagree with the second statement I put in bold. Minerals/trace elements should not cost a 'small fortune'. There is always molasses (they make it specifically for plants, too) which has an exceptional mineral content and can be used in all water applied for that purpose as well as to lower pH... then there is Earth Juice Microblast which costs maybe $15 for a good sized bottle and lasts quite a while.

On another note, those cheap pH/moisture meters totally suck. They are not typically accurate and always tell you that your pH is 7 or something. Run-off probably isn't the best indicator, either. For one thing you have to water properly, and slowly, to ensure that what comes out isn't the exact same thing that went in. You also have to realize that if you are watering properly what comes out could be quite different than what is left in the soil solution.

Good soils have cation exchange capacity, and straight sphagnum peat has some CEC as well but something like humus has a much higher CEC. Cations are ions meaning they have an electrical charge, cations are positively charged (anion is negative). Most plant available nutrients are cations (Ca++, Mg++, K+, NH4+, Cu++, Fe++, et al.). Humus, clay and peat to a lesser degree have oodles of negatively charged 'ports' that attract these cations and hold onto them so they don't wash away. However, while humus and clay like cations they consequently push the anions away.

Therefore cations would seem to have a much better tendency to stick around in the soil, whereas the anions are more likely to wash right out of the soil (out with your run-off) with the exception of phosphates which have a tendency to react with other things in the soil and precipitate from the solution yet remain immobile.

Once you understand what CEC is about and realize the Ca and Mg are cations you might begin to see why it works so well in keeping pH up around 7. Many seem to think the lime is a buffer (because that's what they heard) but really it's the soil/humus/media with appropriate CEC. When properly limed the media should resist any significant changes in pH in part because its exchange sites are saturated with it. When more acid (H+) comes along it gets exchanged with the Ca++ and Mg++ from the lime.

Back to checking pH, I only test run-off once in a while to make sure it isn't way way off. There are also inexpensive testing kits that come with capsules which are specifically for testing soil.
 

StaySmokin206

Active Member
Ahhh thanks for the loads of info guys I just logged back on for the first time and saw this. I have been using Arrowhead water so I will continue to use that then. Good lookin on the help everyone bongsmilie
 

HarryCarey

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Ok you got me, I was just trying to prevent assumptions that all distilled is ph 7 because MOST is NOT, thanks for the heads up
 

Green Growbot

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Ok you got me, I was just trying to prevent assumptions that all distilled is ph 7 because MOST is NOT, thanks for the heads up
Its all good. This site is for sharing and learning stuff. Just so happens that I had done the research on water previously. PLENTY of stuff I dont know that you might.
 

HarryCarey

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Ya its cool bro, I know my western family brand and the walmart brand run about 5.5-6 but can be as low as the 4's sometimes......and RO in a large recirc DI system that I used to run (not for growing) was always lower than 7 without something else added........ I should get some of that Arrowhead I hate trying to up my PH just a LITTLE, but I actually worked out that FF Big Bloom would raise my PH just enough to get by without any PH up
 

chris h

Active Member
why dont you just ph it. Better safe than sorry and it can only help you, not hurt. Why take the risk of deciding not to when you had the tools to take the necessary steps sitting right next to you
 

smokebros

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Distilled Water has a PH of 7.0

Your plants [if in soil] will thrive when watered with 6.4-6.8 water.

Anything above or below that puts the plant at risk of nutrient lockout.
 

HarryCarey

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Distilled Water has a PH of 7.0

Your plants [if in soil] will thrive when watered with 6.4-6.8 water.

Anything above or below that puts the plant at risk of nutrient lockout.
Not ALL distilled is neutral PH man, go test a bottle from your local grocery store I almost guarantee its 5.5
 

smokebros

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Ya its cool bro, I know my western family brand and the walmart brand run about 5.5-6 but can be as low as the 4's sometimes......and RO in a large recirc DI system that I used to run (not for growing) was always lower than 7 without something else added........ I should get some of that Arrowhead I hate trying to up my PH just a LITTLE, but I actually worked out that FF Big Bloom would raise my PH just enough to get by without any PH up
This is really not an ideal method of balancing PH, it might work throughout one portion of the plants life...if your going to spend the money to buy big bloom, go out and buy a 5 $ bottle of ph up, ya kno?
 

smokebros

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Not ALL distilled is neutral PH man, go test a bottle from your local grocery store I almost guarantee its 5.5
I disagree, i have been growing for 2 years, and ALL distilled water I have purchased is 7. I use a 150$ ph tester brah, and Everytime I have tested my water it is 7.0
 

HarryCarey

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I actually water with that every watering because its a great soil conditioner and salt remover (per FF's claims) and can relieve stress and provide for the beneficial bacto's....and Im good on the PH up, dont need it, ya kno?

And Im not gonna argue with ya I know what my water tests at and like I said I used to run a multi thousand gallon DI RO water system so I know what Im talking about
 

HarryCarey

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Actually your "meter" is probly broken or miscalibrated that happens all the time......again I used to run a large water system as well as manage a haz waste system and have experience with meters and neutralization and such brah......and you almost never see distilled water right after distilling so it has time to absorb CO2 as someone else already mentioned and will more than likely be acidic, sorry not trying to be a dick but I dont have any smoke right now
 

smokebros

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I actually water with that every watering because its a great soil conditioner and salt remover (per FF's claims) and can relieve stress and provide for the beneficial bacto's....and Im good on the PH up, dont need it, ya kno?

Ihat I am implying is that if you are gonna spend money on nutriens, on growing, on doing it right, don't simply rely on Big bloom to adjust your waters PH if it as inconsistent as 5.5-7.0 as you claim........[regardless if you use BB throughout the whole plants life (as you should)].
 
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