Smoke N Grow nutes versus Jack's Professional

WWShadow

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So with the results of the grow tallied up, did you track the cost for the grow between using Jack's and SNG? On the current project of mixing the two, are you mixing them evenly? Also The natural silica in the SNG so you aren't adding silica with the Jack's when you mix them? I'll have to go back and read some sections, lol. On the cabinet cured/dried/fermented buds, you stated they were ready in roughly 5 days or so. After Jarring them are they getting better as they age in the jars or was the enhanced effect stopped after coming out of the cabinet?
I hope those buds get super huge!! let's fast forward a few weeks, I don't want to wait!!!
 

riddleme

Well-Known Member
So with the results of the grow tallied up, did you track the cost for the grow between using Jack's and SNG? On the current project of mixing the two, are you mixing them evenly? Also The natural silica in the SNG so you aren't adding silica with the Jack's when you mix them? I'll have to go back and read some sections, lol. On the cabinet cured/dried/fermented buds, you stated they were ready in roughly 5 days or so. After Jarring them are they getting better as they age in the jars or was the enhanced effect stopped after coming out of the cabinet?
I hope those buds get super huge!! let's fast forward a few weeks, I don't want to wait!!!
Let's see, cost??? no,,, pretty much no one can compete with the Jack's on cost 25 lbs for $28 and a pound is good for 4 or 5 grows and Dude sent me the SNG for free to do the growoff so I really never gave cost a thought LOL

I add ProtK to both, with 800 watts of CMH they need silica, without it they mutate :)

The buds do continue to age and get better in the jars, I have some NL#1 in the jars now for 5 months that is simply awesome, very mellow, very sweet and still sticky :)

and we all must wait most important growing factor of all is patience
 

riddleme

Well-Known Member
I have to apologize to all of you as I have been holding back a lot of my research and ditty's with the notion that I would publish them at the new site, well as some of you know the new site is not developing as planned but this has not stopped my experiments or research but still I am holding back for now, some things to look forward to will be dittys ,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Hermies are your friends

Are you a pot snob?

and effects of dew on plants

These I'll wait on for awhile but there is one I'm working on that I can't do the experiments on cause my garden is not suitable for it :) so I need to shout out to some of you and my thoughts lean to Bonzi who we all know is very good at helping folks with ventalation issues and calculating fan cfm as they apply to sealed gardens and Daniels who is just a great diy experimentor :) but all are welcome to explore my notion

This all started from me trying to understand what a major difference is in garden conditions and how it affects plant vigor, I think I have it figured out :) I have 2 friends that I talk with a lot both have sealed gardens with controled ventalation and odor control, one of them has air cooled 1000 watt HPS and grows hydro, the other has a 400 watt CMH that is open. My garden is open (not sealed) I have no odor so I have no odor control and my lights are not sealed or cooled and that is the only difference between mine and my friends garden, he uses the same medium, and same nutes (I had a 25lb bag so I shared) has the CMH so same light, lives in the same area (generally) so similar ambient conditions and similar tap water, he makes it rain and does things very similar to me BUT his buds are never as big as mine (not even half as big) and his yields are also much lower than mine, I should add that yes we grow the same strains as well and we trade them back and forth he was where the GDP (aunt martha) came from, when he saw it in my garden it pissed him off as he asked why don't mine grow like that? I'm doing everything that you do? My response at the time was only difference is my garden is open and yours is sealed???

Both myself and Uncle Ben have said that an open garden is better for the plants, that proper spacing between the plants is also important. At some point we that grow for medical have to get rid of the blackmarket thinking and techniques in order to maximize the medical properties of the plant. I have said over and over that happy plants don't stink and if conditions are right there is no need for odor control, if your plants are stinkin than there is a condition that is off and causing stress (note this is not always true because some strains have been bred to stink, I don't grow these strains as smell has nothing to do with medical benefits) (also has nothing to do with the percieved high or how it affects us, rather it is a human perception thing as we are attracted to smells & taste and we associate these experiences in our view of things) but I digress as this is more related to the pot snob ditty :)

The answer is Barometric Pressure and the beauty of this is there is a lot of research on it because of NASA trying to figure out how to grow plants in space, they are actually genetically altering the plants to grow smaller (very interesting) For those of you interested in experimenting with this it is not complicated and only requires the purchase of 2 barometers one to put in your garden and one outside your garden so you can see and adjust the effects of sealed ventilation on the BP, you can also play with finding the optimum BP for best growth conditions and yes it does affect growth and vigor :)

Here is the research,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I'm including this link cause I found the fact that this super exspensive grow chamber uses incandesent lights very interesting :)
http://greenhouse.ucsc.edu/equipment.html

http://www.tomatosphere.org/teacher-resources/biological-life-support-systems.cfm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12583399

http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/faculty/davies/research/morganfood.html

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/25feb_greenhouses/

http://books.google.com/books?id=xsobnlXZBwQC&pg=PA1173&lpg=PA1173&dq=wue+plants&source=bl&ots=xbf1BV9OyK&sig=58Afm9iOTj6cjjsPt5rk6LTpWCc&hl=en&ei=DjK0Te-uCqHliALT3PWvBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=wue%20plants&f=false

http://www.plantphysiol.org/content/86/1/19.full.pdf

http://www.usu.edu/cpl/PDF/HoustonNASAtalk.pdf

http://www.usu.edu/cpl/PDF/TrackingTranspiration_Electronic Scales090406.pdf

http://books.google.com/books?id=3wMBwxGIqDIC&pg=PA425&lpg=PA425&dq=effects+of+barometric+pressure+on+plants&source=bl&ots=52aIJY9YQ0&sig=vv0qANAEpJqzhzAWjXAs_HHebeA&hl=en&ei=eyu0Tci3IoPTiAKHu7mvBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CGYQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=effects of barometric pressure on plants&f=false

http://aob.oxfordjournals.org/content/94/2/199.full

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V3S-472C88F-FG&_user=10&_coverDate=12/31/1992&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1728938063&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=3b342eec2303bf511c12efa65fe176ad&searchtype=a

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V3S-4019JXF-K2&_user=10&_coverDate=12/31/1996&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1728937694&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=e1e0afe17e02c7a1d4185432c9edf5e1&searchtype=a

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12481804

Hopefully this will lead to those with sealed gardens getting better yields and happier plants, if you play with this please let us know the results???
 

embry928

Active Member
so are you saying open up those rooms drop the BP for bigger buds.
I have to apologize to all of you as I have been holding back a lot of my research and ditty's with the notion that I would publish them at the new site, well as some of you know the new site is not developing as planned but this has not stopped my experiments or research but still I am holding back for now, some things to look forward to will be dittys ,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Hermies are your friends

Are you a pot snob?

and effects of dew on plants

These I'll wait on for awhile but there is one I'm working on that I can't do the experiments on cause my garden is not suitable for it :) so I need to shout out to some of you and my thoughts lean to Bonzi who we all know is very good at helping folks with ventalation issues and calculating fan cfm as they apply to sealed gardens and Daniels who is just a great diy experimentor :) but all are welcome to explore my notion

This all started from me trying to understand what a major difference is in garden conditions and how it affects plant vigor, I think I have it figured out :) I have 2 friends that I talk with a lot both have sealed gardens with controled ventalation and odor control, one of them has air cooled 1000 watt HPS and grows hydro, the other has a 400 watt CMH that is open. My garden is open (not sealed) I have no odor so I have no odor control and my lights are not sealed or cooled and that is the only difference between mine and my friends garden, he uses the same medium, and same nutes (I had a 25lb bag so I shared) has the CMH so same light, lives in the same area (generally) so similar ambient conditions and similar tap water, he makes it rain and does things very similar to me BUT his buds are never as big as mine (not even half as big) and his yields are also much lower than mine, I should add that yes we grow the same strains as well and we trade them back and forth he was where the GDP (aunt martha) came from, when he saw it in my garden it pissed him off as he asked why don't mine grow like that? I'm doing everything that you do? My response at the time was only difference is my garden is open and yours is sealed???

Both myself and Uncle Ben have said that an open garden is better for the plants, that proper spacing between the plants is also important. At some point we that grow for medical have to get rid of the blackmarket thinking and techniques in order to maximize the medical properties of the plant. I have said over and over that happy plants don't stink and if conditions are right there is no need for odor control, if your plants are stinkin than there is a condition that is off and causing stress (note this is not always true because some strains have been bred to stink, I don't grow these strains as smell has nothing to do with medical benefits) (also has nothing to do with the percieved high or how it affects us, rather it is a human perception thing as we are attracted to smells & taste and we associate these experiences in our view of things) but I digress as this is more related to the pot snob ditty :)

The answer is Barometric Pressure and the beauty of this is there is a lot of research on it because of NASA trying to figure out how to grow plants in space, they are actually genetically altering the plants to grow smaller (very interesting) For those of you interested in experimenting with this it is not complicated and only requires the purchase of 2 barometers one to put in your garden and one outside your garden so you can see and adjust the effects of sealed ventilation on the BP, you can also play with finding the optimum BP for best growth conditions and yes it does affect growth and vigor :)

Here is the research,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I'm including this link cause I found the fact that this super exspensive grow chamber uses incandesent lights very interesting :)
http://greenhouse.ucsc.edu/equipment.html

http://www.tomatosphere.org/teacher-resources/biological-life-support-systems.cfm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12583399

http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/faculty/davies/research/morganfood.html

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/25feb_greenhouses/

http://books.google.com/books?id=xsobnlXZBwQC&pg=PA1173&lpg=PA1173&dq=wue+plants&source=bl&ots=xbf1BV9OyK&sig=58Afm9iOTj6cjjsPt5rk6LTpWCc&hl=en&ei=DjK0Te-uCqHliALT3PWvBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=wue%20plants&f=false

http://www.plantphysiol.org/content/86/1/19.full.pdf

http://www.usu.edu/cpl/PDF/HoustonNASAtalk.pdf

http://www.usu.edu/cpl/PDF/TrackingTranspiration_Electronic Scales090406.pdf

http://books.google.com/books?id=3wMBwxGIqDIC&pg=PA425&lpg=PA425&dq=effects+of+barometric+pressure+on+plants&source=bl&ots=52aIJY9YQ0&sig=vv0qANAEpJqzhzAWjXAs_HHebeA&hl=en&ei=eyu0Tci3IoPTiAKHu7mvBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CGYQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=effects of barometric pressure on plants&f=false

http://aob.oxfordjournals.org/content/94/2/199.full

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V3S-472C88F-FG&_user=10&_coverDate=12/31/1992&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1728938063&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=3b342eec2303bf511c12efa65fe176ad&searchtype=a

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V3S-4019JXF-K2&_user=10&_coverDate=12/31/1996&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1728937694&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=e1e0afe17e02c7a1d4185432c9edf5e1&searchtype=a

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12481804

Hopefully this will lead to those with sealed gardens getting better yields and happier plants, if you play with this please let us know the results???
 

embry928

Active Member
I was watching the movie one of you linked about making hash by hand from living plants. in the movie the higher they went up the mountain the better the weed became. I always thought it was the higher light concentration but now i think it was the lower pressure. I used to grow in new mexico outdoor at 7000 feet and the weed grew better there than anywere i have ever lived now i know why it was not the powerful sun rays it was the lower pressure at the higher altitude.
 

riddleme

Well-Known Member
I was watching the movie one of you linked about making hash by hand from living plants. in the movie the higher they went up the mountain the better the weed became. I always thought it was the higher light concentration but now i think it was the lower pressure. I used to grow in new mexico outdoor at 7000 feet and the weed grew better there than anywere i have ever lived now i know why it was not the powerful sun rays it was the lower pressure at the higher altitude.
Yeppers, I keep tellin folks it's all about the conditions in your garden that matter and dialing them for perfection, I somehow thought more folks would listen and I could stop sayin it LOL but in the end it is just a simple commercial tag line

THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX :)
 

embry928

Active Member
i wonder how many people thought they had the perfect set up are now rethinking everything. i bet there is a lot out there.
 

oldecrowe

Well-Known Member
So would the use of relatively high negative pressure via exhausting emulate anything like the benefits of higher elevation?
 

Bonzi Lighthouse

Well-Known Member
Ok you got me thinking, off to find barometers. I'm going to get 3, 1 for the flower cab, one of the closet it is in and one for the outside room.

I'm also interested in this smell thing I have a carbon scrubber and never use it (currently have 10 flowering plants).. My shit don't stink.

*edit Ordered 3 off ebay $20 each. This should be interesting
 

riddleme

Well-Known Member
Ok you got me thinking, off to find barometers. I'm going to get 3, 1 for the flower cab, one of the closet it is in and one for the outside room.

I'm also interested in this smell thing I have a carbon scrubber and never use it (currently have 10 flowering plants).. My shit don't stink.

*edit Ordered 3 off ebay $20 each. This should be interesting
sounds like your garden is dialed in so yeppers should be interesting :)
 
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