Outdoor Grow Nutrient Help

[tristynhawk]

alright ive been growing for a couple years outdoors with decent results but i plant alot of plants.IM only averaging about 2 ounces a plant would like to get up to around four ounces a plant.
iv'e always just went triple 19 this year id like to get more organic i have already had a suggestion for happy frog for flowering but i dont know much about ph balancing and dont know where to find a tester any help with that would be great.
So what would you guy's suggest for getting my holes ready for my plants i hear people talking about all these diffrent nutes and im not sure if their referring to hydro systems or what.
what is cal-mag and it's benefits,liquid karma and it's benefits im lost and want to get away from chemical fert's
this is what's been happenning to my plant's past couple years they look great all year till budding then it seems like the rest of the plant fades out and i just get colas and tips of branches.
with the exception of cornfeild grows im assumiong it'ss cause farmer has ground balanced and ready my cornfeild grows look great even late in year still hold nice green color bud's all over them how can i duplicate this effect in the woods guerilla style.
where do you find these nutes people talk about ima have to order them cause their is no hydro shop's around me.
hope someone can help me go organic and keep my plants healthy all year ive ordered seeds for first time this year and really want to do it right.
i have 25 aurora indica females 15 kaya gold females 20 swiss cheese females 15 northern light females all from nirvana and i want to give them the best care possible afraid to put them all in cornfeilds for fear of losing them all in one swipe
last year farmer cut early and took 35 females with him first time this has happened in five years of corn field grows
i know this is long winded but i want the best for my girl's

tristynhawk wishes you all the best of luck

 

[Mother's Finest]

Some of the best organic fertilizers include Bat & Seabird Guanos; Bone, Blood & Kelp Meals; Maxicrop soluble seaweed powder; Fish Emulsion; Worm Castings and Palm Bunch Ash (0-0-30). Most garden centers carry this stuff. The Palm Ash is found here http://www.planetnatural.com/site/organic-potash.html and is one of the best flowering ferts if you can control the pH (pH 12). For Guanos, Bone Meal and other ferts, just type it into Google. Many sites sell them.

 

[SCARHOLE]

If I had to guess Id say the Plant isnt getting enough light in the cornfield.

I use Miracal grow, Its cheep an available where organics arent.
You can make Manure teas for your plants very cheep.
For calmag I use Dolomatic lime and it adjusts your ph.


I have had no luck in the cornfields, lost all 10 last year when the farmer resprayed roundup in june....
Dont put all your eggs in that basket just incase.

 

[tristynhawk]

Some of the best organic fertilizers include Bat & Seabird Guanos; Bone, Blood & Kelp Meals; Maxicrop soluble seaweed powder; Fish Emulsion; Worm Castings and Palm Bunch Ash (0-0-30). Most garden centers carry this stuff. The Palm Ash is found here http://www.planetnatural.com/site/organic-potash.html and is one of the best flowering ferts if you can control the pH (pH 12). For Guanos, Bone Meal and other ferts, just type it into Google. Many sites sell them.

thanks for taking your time to reply to my questions the palm bunch ash sounds interesting how would one go about controling the ph
i havent found a reasonable priced soil tester yet googled it and they ranged from 400 to 2500 dollars
what do you mean by garden centers like a nursery or the garden center at lowes or wal mart

 

[tristynhawk]

you may have misunderstood me scarhole the corn field is what id like to reproduse in the woods

they gro great in corn fields laterals from 1 foot off the ground carrying bud the whole way up

miracle gro is what i currently use also i will look into the dolomatic lime though but without a tester should i use it

i need a reasonable priced ph soil tester i think

 

[tristynhawk]

just went to that site mother's finest found everything i was looking fo at reasonable prices thanks

 

[Wetdog]

Those cornfields were likely 'balanced' by the farmer adding lime, either dolomitic or calcitic.

Adding lime to your holes/mixes beforehand will keep the pH balanced out and supply cal/mag.

I seldom use my pH meter AFA plants, the addition of dolomite lime makes it pretty much unnecessary.

Wet

 

[growinhound]

the dolomite lime add 2 cups per hole and mix it all up even the happy frog amendments(high nitrogen at early stage ) all get mixed. this will last a while,but later in season when light gets shorter and buds start forming.hopefully all this will go down before the combine is out a ready to harvest corn.anyway when buds start forming you want to sneak out there and how ever big the area is start "amending the soil".loosen up top 1 or 2 inches of soil all around your babies add that high phos. happy frog(high phos for budding) or what ever you decide to "amend" with because you need to boost the soil.most of area is getting close to low nutrient s by then corn suckin up your nutes too that shoud go to the girls. so you go out there and add bud nutes to the soil at the perfect time .JUST DONT GET CAUGHT.but that should help at least.you shouldnt have to lime the soil tho it seems to me.

 

[tristynhawk]

alright guy's everyone seems to agree on this dolomite lime personally i have never seen it in stores anywhere i may have to order it

i don't plan on using it in the cornfields though i figured the farmer had everything right in cornfield that's why they do so well

im wanting to duplicate this in my holes out in the woods so i guess i need some lime in my holes i have never used lime in the woods or anywhere for that matter like i was saying before my cornfield grows always looked way better late in the year compared to my holes in the woods so it's my understanding that i use lime at the beginning of the year when i first plant

will i have to reapply when they start to bud and as for the high phos.nutes should these be added as soon as they start showing hairs or wait a few weeks for buds to form and will it be a one time application

a local grower and friend of mine suggested superthrive what does it do and should i use it everytime water because my plants in the woods dont get watered much i visit them as little as possible for fear of attracting attention and developing trails i do use this things called water crystals they look like grains of salt but when soaked in water they swell up to half inch cubes and seem to do well in retaining water for my plants

im not saying i neglect my plants if thier's a drought i will water them but i prefer rain water i have set trash cans hidden in brush with lids flipped over and cut a hole in the middle to collect rain water

what can you guy's tell me about this product called liquid karma is strictly for hydro set ups or would it benefit me in the wild also

lol.. i feel like a noob with all these questions but i gotta a feeling i could do alot better than i have been past few years i dont want to have to gro 200-300 plants for 10 pounds of pot
once season get's goin i plan on doing a guerilla grow journal still struggling with posting pics though i figured it out once then tried next day and couldn't do it but im still learning how tpo operate a computer so maybe i'll get better

best of luck guys...tristynhawk

 

[Wetdog]

I get my lime at Lowes, marked Ground Dolomite Lime, ~$5 for a 40LB bag, also HD, Tractor Supply, Landscape/Garden shops and most feed stores. If there is any agriculture in your area, should be easy to find. One application usually does the trick.

Super Thrive? I've used it, but when it ran out, didn't replace it. Up to you and the $$$ situation. 1 drop/gallon is fine.

Liquid Karma, good stuff, but I use molasses instead. Again, let the $$$ guide you.

Wet

 

[shizz]

take a sample of your soil and have it tested theyll tell you what the ph and npk of it is. and what to add. go to your local greenhouse and ask where to go.

 

[tristynhawk]

I get my lime at Lowes, marked Ground Dolomite Lime, ~$5 for a 40LB bag, also HD, Tractor Supply, Landscape/Garden shops and most feed stores. If there is any agriculture in your area, should be easy to find. One application usually does the trick.

Super Thrive? I've used it, but when it ran out, didn't replace it. Up to you and the $$$ situation. 1 drop/gallon is fine.

Liquid Karma, good stuff, but I use molasses instead. Again, let the $$$ guide you.

Wet

good advice wet...$$$ always guides us dont it

 

[tristynhawk]

take a sample of your soil and have it tested theyll tell you what the ph and npk of it is. and what to add. go to your local greenhouse and ask where to go.

goin be in so many diffrent location's that's not really practical id rather be able do test myself found one online reasonablly priced how effective it is i dunno

 

[Mother's Finest]

thanks for taking your time to reply to my questions the palm bunch ash sounds interesting how would one go about controling the ph
i havent found a reasonable priced soil tester yet googled it and they ranged from 400 to 2500 dollars
what do you mean by garden centers like a nursery or the garden center at lowes or wal mart

It's made into a tea and instead of using plain water to soak the solid fertilizer in, an acidic liquid is used. The acid then neutralizes the alkalinity as the nutrients soak into the water. We're still working out the exact amount of acidifier to use but it's close to 1/2tsp of pH Down per 1TBS (15g) of the Palm Ash. Wideband pH drops can be used to test the pH of samples of this liquid and only cost a few bucks.

"Garden Centers" referred to standalone garden supply stores (nurseries), not sections of department stores. Some of these places will carry all of the aforementioned products- pH testers, fertilizers, etc. They should also have soil pH meters starting around $15.

 

[tristynhawk]

man i was just looking at advanced nutrients that shit is expensive surely there's other alternatives to spending that much cash,think ima go happy frog

 

[growinhound]

advanced nutes,still got em.dont use that stuff much.15$ a bottle got 4 so you do the math.i love dry ferts. just add water or let it rain. ehy tristynhawk i bet it would counter-productive to take pics in a corn feild. would love to see some of those girls.bu tdont risk it.i am starting a journal tomorrow. i already got buds on my white widow and critical mass. 4 weeks left. i will show you some pics i think i fugured out how to upload from my phone. thats a thread in ti self ,smartphone pics with GPS turned off. will post that later. good luck tristy.will check you later

 

[tristynhawk]

i have full intention's once i have them outside to start a grow journal.Still struggling with the pics myself managed it once showing snow some problems i was having with a plant but tried next day couldn't do it.But it's turkey season here right now and i won't put anything out until hunting season is over (bout two more weeks)

as for cornfields it will be late june early july i like to wait until the corn is over my head this assures the farmer cant run his tractor through their spraying roundup.

but journals are coming soon once their in ground,i'll show holes and everything,

 

[growinhound]

what about round-up ready corn. im in the corn belt too.... here is some of my girls 4wks 3 days. 1 white widow,3 critical mass

 

[Rj41]

man i was just looking at advanced nutrients that shit is expensive surely there's other alternatives to spending that much cash,think ima go happy frog

You can buy everything you'll need at much lower prices at basic garden centers/nurserys, including the ones like h-d, lowes and walmart. Don't fall for the 'you get what you pay for' sales pitch when it comes to nutes/additives.

You might be surprised at what you may already have at your home.
Baking soda, vinegar, and non sulfured molasses to name a few.

 

[cowboylogic]

Some of the best organic fertilizers include Bat & Seabird Guanos; Bone, Blood & Kelp Meals; Maxicrop soluble seaweed powder; Fish Emulsion; Worm Castings and Palm Bunch Ash (0-0-30). Most garden centers carry this stuff. The Palm Ash is found here http://www.planetnatural.com/site/organic-potash.html and is one of the best flowering ferts if you can control the pH (pH 12). For Guanos, Bone Meal and other ferts, just type it into Google. Many sites sell them.

With the exception of the castings and ash I would use none of the others outdoors unless you can fence them in. All those smells will draw critters and critters dig up plants to see what smells so good underneath them... Osmocote is not organic but does a dandy job of growing plants outdoors...