Dr Greenthumbs G13

Brick Top

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Firstly. Bricktop you lied and have lost all credibility.


I have never lied so much as one single time about what I have said about Dr. Greenthumb's fake Acapulco Gold and the evidence I have presented from others, like Shantibaba and Neville, are totally credible.

It is you who are lying about my allegedly having lied.

Secondly.There is no proof it is not G13 and everything everyone has gotten from Greenthumb has been legit according to actual growers, so his word carries more weight than mere suppositions.
Who? What; "legit actual growers" are you talking about? Has so much as one single one of them ever had the real true G13 in the past when it was actually real true G13 so they would have an accurate comparative base to go by? Or aren't they in fact nothing more than people you just prefer to believe and whose word you would take regardless of how incorrect they are?

If and when Nevil gets some Dr. Greenthumb G13 seeds, grows them out and deems it to be original, then I will admit that I had to have been in error about everything I have said about Dr. Greenthumb's G13. But until someone like Nevil, someone who had the strain, who grew the strain, who made crosses with the strain and who would know the strain if he grew it again deems it to be legitimate, then all other claims made by all other people who never had the strain before and wouldn't know it from most of the other roughly 3000 existing strains are utterly meaningless. They could never be anything more than their own personal opinion. They would have absolutely nothing more than their own wishes and desires and opinion to base their claims on .... nothing.


Thirdly. Your "mountain' of evidence is not evidence at all, just opinion.

It did happen to come from people like Shantibaba and Nevil and DoubleD ... all people who would know infinitely more about the true original G13 than you ever could or Dr. Gruber or anyone else here ever could. They had the original, they worked with the original, they knew the original. You nor no one else here can claim the same level of knowledge or experience with the real G13. So what they have said, that you are attempting to weaken by saying it is only their; "opinion," still carries more weight than every single thing that every single person who has never possessed, grew and worked with and smoked the original G13 could ever claim about both the original G13 and Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13.



Fourthly. Anyone who was interested in the real truth would have waited until the grow reports were in but you're on a witch hunt for your own reasons.

That is one of the most asinine things I have ever read in my entire life. Do you honestly believe that someone who has never possessed, grown, smoked or worked with or even seen the original G13 would be qualified to deem it to be real just because they might grow Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 and like it, or even love it? Would that, in your mind, actually constitute irrefutable proof of any sort? If so you have a very weak unimaginably irrational and totally illogical mind.

As for what you so wrongly called a; "witch hunt" taking place on my part, that is another of your multitude of lies. I have only told the truth about how Dr. Greenthumb ripped me off by selling me fake Acapulco Gold seeds. I included reports of others who said it was not real and that it was extremely low quality, which verifies what I said about it, and I have posted information from true experts, not people you like, but true experts like Shantibaba and Nevil and DoubleD all in an attempt to warn people to be dubious about Dr. Greenthumb since he has a proven track record for selling strains he claims are famous named strains from the past, but are not actually those strains. I am hoping to help people from being ripped off the way I was ripped off. You on the other hand seem to want people to purchase Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13, and regardless of the quality of the strain, still not receive what they thought they were actually paying for and what they actually wanted.

Why is that?
 

Brick Top

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Originally Posted by Brick Top
When will you stop attempting to use that tired worn out old chestnut? It was not as if no one else here every disagreed with him or was attacked by him. And while I do not recall if it was you or someone else, but someone claimed he had some sort of; "problems" so who knows why he went off the reservation? If his problems were psychological possibly he stopped taking his meds or needed them increased, or cut, and he became overly temperamental and could not deal with anyone not always totally agreeing with him about everything so he ran and hid.

Who knows why he actually left, especially if he had the; "problems" he was said to have? He is bound to have just switched boards ... so if you miss your buddy so much why don't you search the other growing sites, find him, join and hang with him again rather than bitch, piss, moan and PMS about me because Hobbes allegedly had; "problems" and took a powder?

Why not drop all the things that are utterly meaningless to this thread and allow it to get back on track? Why can't you do that? Why WON'T you do that?

never , as long as you are around

Fine ... keep making an ass of yourself if that's what gets you off.
 

tip top toker

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Well the justification for his prices is recouping the 25K he paid for it, so seems like a pretty fucking crazy business plan to willingly invest 25K in a clone when the instant he starts selling to recoup he could end up never selling another bean again if the opposition was ruthless enough. Now i find myself asking if he needed to justify recouping the money, would he really have invested 25K knowing full well that he could lose it overnight?

Damn, i'm tempted to buy a couple of beans now if just for the reason of ofrcing his hand and making him sell for $10 or so. Then people will start wondering why the "best strain in the world" sells for $10 on his site but the rest $200, the whole range would drop in price. I've never taken a degree in business but this just seems dumb as shit, he has no financial protection agaisnt his 25k investment whatsoever
 

frmrboi

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Well that's exactly what i mean :) if doc paid 25K for his g13 he's got to be dumb as ditchwater. If racerboy selfs his seeds, he has g13 seeds, he can then just start selling them for half docs price and docs fucked :D Or is it not g13 unless it's doc that has bred the seed? If he's done it so should racerboys be able to
racerboy's seeds would be S2s, but if they are as stable as the S1s yes he is indeed fucked, probably why he wants to break even on what he paid for the clone. I calculated he'll need to sell just 225 packs. There's at least 10 people here that have bought them, multiply that by the non registered viewers on this site alone, I think he'll be alright.
 

Brick Top

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Originally Posted by Brick Top
It was said the link was no good, that the site would not come up .... I tried it, the site opened up and I posted the home page to show it.

Was that really so far beyond your cognitive abilities to keep you from being able to figure that out on your own and not need me to tell you?

Clearly it was .... which would also explain why you could believe that Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 is not what it actually is, fake G13.
Clearly, you are the fake Bricktop

You formulate your position and argument like a fifth grader. You just say random meaningless things you hope will discredit me and divert attention away from your totally failed attempts to protect your chosen God of Ganja. Based on your persistence it seem more and more likely that you must be receiving something in return from someone for your continual attacks which are clearly intended to keep this thread from being allowed to get back on track.
 

tip top toker

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As i've said i am unable to access their site in any way shape or form. So if someone fancies uplaoding some screenshots of the journal, i'd appreciate that. None of you even seem to get it, if he is selling legit beans, that pleases me! I hate having a bloody lcone only strain that i can't afford to let die. As it is though there is a lot more reason to consider it shit than legitimate.
 

SCARHOLE

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No one has the origional G13 that came from Sandy Wienstien.
The only "real" G13 to be had is Nevilles G13xHaze or G13 x hashplant or maybe a G13xNl.

The questions I have are....
Witch cross did Nevel sell/trade with Jim Ortega. That s the one aquired by DrGreenthumb threw Ortega.

Did Jim Ortega realy keep it alive all those years , after he admitted he "was getting back in the game after 15 years"?

Did Jim Ortega sell DrGT DDs Super heavy hield g13, it looks like it to me?




I did recieved free seed from DrGt (chemo Iranian),
As I said before.
I am no more on his payroll than yall are on Attitudes payroll for gowing there free seeds.
 

stonedmetalhead1

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No one has the origional G13 that came from Sandy Wienstien.
The only "real" G13 to be had is Nevilles G13xHaze or G13 x hashplant or maybe a G13xNl.

The questions I have are....
Witch cross did Nevel sell/trade with Jim Ortega. That s the one aquired by DrGreenthumb threw Ortega.
Holy shit, Thank you.
 

tip top toker

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No one has the origional G13 that came from Sandy Wienstien.
The only "real" G13 to be had is Nevilles G13xHaze or G13 x hashplant or maybe a G13xNl.

The questions I have are....
Witch cross did Nevel sell/trade with Jim Ortega. That s the one aquired by DrGreenthumb threw Ortega.

Did Jim Ortega realy keep it alive all those years , after he admitted he "was getting back in the game after 15 years"?

Did Jim Ortega sell DrGT DDs Super heavy hield g13, it looks like it to me?




I did recieved free seed from DrGt (chemo Iranian),
As I said before.
I am no more on his payroll than yall are on Attitudes payroll for gowing there free seeds.
No idea on the leigtimacy of the info but nice to read something contructive to the thread none the less :)

What were the conditions on your free seed? that you write up a journal? Seems a bit odd that he'd just give you a seed for no reason other than asking for one considering what he demands on his site. Or was it a free seed alongside a purchase?
 

SCARHOLE

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Dude I been sayn that forever.
The ony other way There could be more pure G13 would be.
If they mixed G13xhp x G13xHaze together enuff to get a " G13-99"
 

fletchman

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I think I've told you about 1,00 times that I don't think DD has pure G13 either.
And I thought I made it clear that I want the cut DD has;) Big and fruity, I might just rename it "Big&Fruity" LOL!!:)

dogless would have the same thing DD has and that is fact, if DD is telling the truth.
 

stonedmetalhead1

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Dude I been sayn that forever.
The ony other way There could be more pure G13 would be.
If they mixed G13xhp x G13xHaze together enuff to get a " G13-99"
That's the only thing that anyone had been arguing is that it wasn't pure g13 or Nevil's original breeding parent.

It couldn't be G13 99% unless they had the pure g13 to back cross it to. They could have a stabilized G13/ Skunk 99 or a G13/NL 99 or an IBL or even a clone that survied from original F1 stock but not a G13 99.
 

Dr Gruber

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As i've said i am unable to access their site in any way shape or form. So if someone fancies uplaoding some screenshots of the journal, i'd appreciate that. None of you even seem to get it, if he is selling legit beans, that pleases me! I hate having a bloody lcone only strain that i can't afford to let die. As it is though there is a lot more reason to consider it shit than legitimate.
Sorry, cant do screenshots.
Here are some of the posts from the site...

Original post...
"Hi friends,
I wanted to show a few pictures of the trait that identifies the clone only "Exodus Cheese" cut that Dr. Greenthumb successfully produced an S1 of a few years back (selfing the original cut is not a common or easy thing as hardcore Cheesehead's know). I have grown this strain (Greenthumb's) for several years and lost my mother a while back and let me tell you, this is some serious hardcore medication. I recently restarted one and I have patiently been waiting for it to show up. Same as my last ones, it takes a little while in veg to start showing this so be patient. I was housekeeping tonight making some cutting's, and noticed it finally starting to show up on the cuts that I made.
I am not doing a grow journal on it at this moment, but just wanted to show everyone.
When I do run some next round I'll post some pictures somewhere (probably right here).
Anyone notice what it is?"


And later...



Kushfiend, on 18 April 2011 - 12:59 PM, said:
There are actually many strains with double serrations like that and a lot are way more prevalent than the pics you presented.



"They aren't as prevalent because they are just starting to show, which is stated in the original post. The double serrations aren't on every serration of the original clone either and can take a few nodes to show. I've grown both the original clone and Doc's, the end product of both were spot on.
I had no choice except to try Doc's, as I lost all my elite clones in a big drama a few years ago, and have slowly been reacquiring the verified cuts as I can. Until I can find a verified Exodus cut then this is as close as I'll get.
The reason there are more strains showing this trait now is because of all the crosses breeders are putting out with the original strains that originally had this trait. "



The guy who put it up goes by the name Porcupine and from personal experience he is a very stand up guy. He has helped me as a grower and also been a personal friend when i needed one. He journals a lot of stuff and shows what he is doing with pictures, so please lets not just dismiss him as another
"spammer", I dont want to post up his stuff just to be ripped apart when he's not here to defend himself.
 

tip top toker

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So i've nothing to go by other than it has serrated leaves? I want pictures :( There is then a post saying many strains have serrated leaves, so i could be wrong in stating that serrated leaves are an indication that it is cheese, just a trait that cheese carries among others.

I'll just have to keep waiting for proof i guess. you don't even need to take screen shots though, you can just add the image url into the rollitup photo uploader if that makes it easier. I just foind it utterly bizzarre that google gives me aboslutely nothing in return of useful results when searching greenthumb exodus. As if noone in the world has grown it and documented it, which considering what the strain is and it's reputation, would seem just daft. everything is so strange and illogical.
 

Dr Gruber

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So i've nothing to go by other than it has serrated leaves? I want pictures :( There is then a post saying many strains have serrated leaves, so i could be wrong in stating that serrated leaves are an indication that it is cheese, just a trait that cheese carries among others.

I'll just have to keep waiting for proof i guess. you don't even need to take screen shots though, you can just add the image url into the rollitup photo uploader if that makes it easier. I just foind it utterly bizzarre that google gives me aboslutely nothing in return of useful results when searching greenthumb exodus. As if noone in the world has grown it and documented it, which considering what the strain is and it's reputation, would seem just daft. everything is so strange and illogical.
So everyone knows, I dont present that as proof, i just tried to fill your request to the best of my abilities.

Well, we would have had at least one journal to go by but i waited to long. The Docs Cheese was next on my list but when i was ready to run it, it was sold out. If and when he brings it back it will be at the top of my list.
I think you should give it a try when it comes back..im sure you can afford the $200, and you might get the replacement you want. If not you will still get some good buds to smoke while you wait for the "real" one.
 

Brick Top

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Congratulations on the find! Job well done. Other than one thing of course, the Exodus Cheese cut is not the only cannabis plant in existence know to have double serrated leaf edges.

On MNS pictures of a male plant with double serrated leaf edges was posted and the question of why that was the case was asked the Nevil posted the following reply.

Male Leaf Trait ? Can anyone please tell me what strain this double serrated leaf trait come from?
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The first impression I get is NL1. Having Blueberry in the pedigree, it'd be NL5/Big Bud, maybe the Mazar pushes it to the direction of NL1.
Then there was this from http://michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/topic/26852-double-serrated-leaves-full-on-ketama-landrace-indica/

Double Serrated Leaves Full On Ketama Landrace Indica
...or is it?



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Posted 24 December 2010 - 01:34 PM
Here we go...
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb475/AdmiralSulu/Ketama/101_4440.jpg
This should be a fun one to watch flower. I've never had a plant with full double serrated leaves. She's supposed to be a landrace from Morocco,
Ketama region, famous for it's hash.... lol great!
Pay no attention to the dates, camera's date/time is messed up and cannot fix it...
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb475/AdmiralSulu/Ketama/101_4435.jpg
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb475/AdmiralSulu/Ketama/101_4438.jpg

She's at day 14 of flowering today, had to wait for the clones to root before I moved her, but they're doing fine. I took two one in bubbles, one's gonna go in my aquaponic system, complete with fish to eat, but that's for another thread....
Then there is this too:
Calio S1


Selfed seeds of the legendary AE77 Calio clone. These Calio S1 seeds have shown to be very faithful to their parent plant with the same great orange smell and taste and the nice "up" high. Combine those pluses with a plant that can be taken at 7 weeks of flowering, is easy to grow and clone and you have what many consider a nearly perfect strain. Once the seed plants reach sexual maturity, they exhibit the same double serrated edge fan leaves as the AE77 clone, a sure sign of the lengendary clone. Yeild is excellent when sufficient veg time is allowed. Nice, oily buds with the heavenly orange scent and taste of their Mama. A keeper in everyone's garden of those who have been fortunate enough to get her.

* Indoor
* Flowering: 49-56 days

http://www.420genetics.com/forum/strainguide.php?do=viewstraininfo&strain=656
There is also this:
WHITEBERRY SKUNK thanks
exclusive.... i'd say yes
i have had it for 4 years now
it came out of portland from a good buddy of mine
he had it for 6 years and got it from some old timmers.

this year i finally found a crystally dominante skunk male
worthy of breeding this highly sought after strain.

what i like about this one:
it has double serrated leaves
smell
taste
buzz
consitancy
no herimaphridites
fast and easy to clone
early finisher 7-8 weeks
everyones favorite.... always

the original mom is still going and has not been tamperd with
for years

http://thclist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2178&pid=16093
And from a thread about; "G/house Great White Shark"

Posted 17 January 2010 - 09:39 PM
right,i grew some outdoors and indoors.
i vegged a nice 3' narrow/slender plant and whacked it under 12/12 it looked like thai weed, very sativa.It had the distinctive leaf blades with double serration ,like a sharks teeth,hence the name.Anyways this plant had dark green leaves,hermied and i wouldnt mind too much but i cloned off it

the other few i had outdoors were massive plants,all had serrated leaf edges,or double serrated i should say.these never fully flowered and what bud was harvested had to be rescued or botrytis would have spread through ,so they didnt taste great neiither.
However,1 of the big outdoor gws was given to a friend to flower indoors,it turned out to be 1 of the shiniest plants i've ever seen with solid buds full o resin.looked a bit more indica than my indoor one.
so thats about all i know about gws ,i dont buy greenhouse anyways i've never had uniform plants,i had some beautys but not a ful crop.did the strawberry haze ,out of 3 plants 1 was beautiful to smoke and tasted more strawberry like than coffeeshop strawb haze.http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=208559
I also ran across this.

You can grow tremendous yields with Greenhouse Seed Company's Arjan's Ultra Haze #1. The fan leaves are huge and double-serrated. The plants and colas are monstrous. Here is a video on youtube of their grow.

http://forum.grasscity.com/outdoor-marijuana-growing/263318-outdoor-heaviest-yielding-strains.html
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There are many more I could add. It appears that a double serrated leaf edge is not as uncommon as many seem to believe and while it is a trait of the Exodus Cheese cut it is not exclusive to it nor so highly limited to it that it having a strain called Cheese and it having a double serrated leaf edge is proof positive that it is indeed Exodus Cheese. It might mean it likely is, but it does not mean it definitely is.
 
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