Connoisseur Only! Muti Strain Grow Journal with Pics Attached

[THESkunkMunkie]

finally managed to get some damn pics sorted lol, bit shit quality tho as i still need to put a normal light up there for taking pics

everything in the tent apart from the round pots are the subject of a donation from a very kind member on this site

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No worries mate, I'm glad I could help you out there, everything is looking great too. I can't wait to see 'em in full flower glory, enjoy!!

so skunk i just got my first batch of regular seeds. whats the best way to sex them. i have 2 white russians about 3 weeks old. was thinking when they get a little bigger just take a cutting and throw it in my flower room in a glass of water and see if it shows. how long do you let your regular seeds go before sexing them? thanks.

It is possible to sex them at about 45 days in from seed, but to be 100% sure I veg them out 4-6 weeks then throw them into my flower room and within the first 2 weeks they'll show their sex/pre-flowers, either pistells or lil ball sacks by the stem next to the branch nodes. you can do this safely without the males pollenating everything as they aren't ready to spit any pollen yet. Once the males have been pulled out, I then take 2 clones from each female I have left to veg & keep for mothers. If I like the finished product from the original seed plant I'll keep the clone mother as I'll know then I have a for sure female to work with for future clone grows.

 

[Saerimmner]

No worries mate, I'm glad I could help you out there, everything is looking great too. I can't wait to see 'em in full flower glory, enjoy!!

well they went 12/12 2 days ago so pics will be uploaded in due course.

quick question though just out of random curiosity, are you searching for a particular taste/strain/high with all these strains your racing through or are you just trying to work through as many strains as poss or?????

EDIT:: Would just like to say thank you again for your generosity fella, its much appreciated

 

[matatan]

It is possible to sex them at about 45 days in from seed, but to be 100% sure I veg them out 4-6 weeks then throw them into my flower room and within the first 2 weeks they'll show their sex/pre-flowers, either pistells or lil ball sacks by the stem next to the branch nodes. you can do this safely without the males pollenating everything as they aren't ready to spit any pollen yet. Once the males have been pulled out, I then take 2 clones from each female I have left to veg & keep for mothers. If I like the finished product from the original seed plant I'll keep the clone mother as I'll know then I have a for sure female to work with for future clone grows.

will you still take a cutting with the female pistols/hairs showing? or do you try to avoid those branches and take cuttings from branches that havent showed pistols yet?

 

[THESkunkMunkie]

will you still take a cutting with the female pistols/hairs showing? or do you try to avoid those branches and take cuttings from branches that havent showed pistols yet?

Yeah it don't really matter tbh mate a few pistells aren't a problem, take cuts from where ever you can. But I take my clones from the bottom of the plants from all the lower spindle branches I'm taking off anyways when I "lollypop" them

 

[realnyjuggalo23]

dude ur a damn good teacher ...idk if u know that, but prop's 2 u sir........

 

[THESkunkMunkie]

No worries mate, I'm glad I could help you out there, everything is looking great too. I can't wait to see 'em in full flower glory, enjoy!!

well they went 12/12 2 days ago so pics will be uploaded in due course.

quick question though just out of random curiosity, are you searching for a particular taste/strain/high with all these strains your racing through or are you just trying to work through as many strains as poss or?????

EDIT:: Would just like to say thank you again for your generosity fella, its much appreciated

I'm currently growing & smoking my way through as many different strains as I can to find my favs for my own mother plant stock for future clone grows for my own tastes/needs, there are so many strains out there and I'm gonna try as many of them as I can in my ongoing quest for my "holy grail" strains for my collection, and only the more rarer and more potent strains though . I'll only grow regular seed too as I want genetically stable females that will stand the test of time and take years of cloning abuse too, I also plan on doin a few 'lil breeding hacks of my own too to create something new myself in the future maybe... I have a real passion for mari, I just love it, all I want to do is be part of it's future..... whatever that may be.

 

[racerboy71]

Yeah it don't really matter tbh mate a few pistells aren't a problem, take cuts from where ever you can. But I take my clones from the bottom of the plants from all the lower spindle branches I'm taking off anyways when I "lollypop" them

i do the same thing skunk..i try and use the branches nearest the bottom of the plants as i can... and i've taken clones from plants that have been in flower for up to about three weeks or so and still had them root just fine for me..
i even just read online where someone even used a small bud to use as a clone.. i've never used this method myself, but i don't see why it wouldn't work.. and i think it was dark destruction who had a thread out about the many benefits of cloning from flowering plants rather then vegging plants.. was a pretty good read if anyone would be interested in it..

 

[THESkunkMunkie]

i do the same thing skunk..i try and use the branches nearest the bottom of the plants as i can... and i've taken clones from plants that have been in flower for up to about three weeks or so and still had them root just fine for me..
i even just read online where someone even used a small bud to use as a clone.. i've never used this method myself, but i don't see why it wouldn't work.. and i think it was dark destruction who had a thread out about the many benefits of cloning from flowering plants rather then vegging plants.. was a pretty good read if anyone would be interested in it..

Can you link us here RB, I for one am interested mate

 

[racerboy71]

Can you link us here RB, I for one am interested mate

damn, you're really going to make me think now aren't you skunk?? lol.. i kid i kid... sure, i'll try and find it for you skunk... it was a really good read that i enjoyed and learned a lot from it.

 

[racerboy71]

i found the same article that i think that dark destruction had used for his thread as it seems to read exactly the same, but i found it on another website, i think its from asscity, err, grass city.. i copied and posted it, i hope that you don't mind my doing so sm?
anyhoo's, here it is for your reading pleasures..


What is a Flowering Clone?

This question arises just about everytime I mention the wonderful advantages of the Flowering clone. So, to answer a few questions that get asked frequently. I see a need for this post. A long while back a man named feral introduced us to a new way of taking clones that has taken away the need to top plants or try the fimming technique. Not only do they root well. They also will blow you away with how fast they develop branches.

What is a flowering clone?
Simply put, it is a clone taken at or around 21 days flowering or later. Day 21 seems to be the best time but clones can be taken at any point thereafter and you will get the same effect. Keep in mind. This isnt written in stone. I dont have facts for you but I do have experience with these litte giants. I just want to share something that may increase a yeild for someone out there. Keeping the numbers of plants down is a good idea for alot of growers out there. Medical growers often will have limits. If your out there and you have a medical card. It cant be stressed enough that you follow the guidelines. You guys are the bright future for mj reform in many countries. I can only envy you at the moment but one of these days I hope to be able to grow without so much fear. Okay, that said...lol. I knew I shouldnt have eaten those cookies before starting to write today...lol. I have taken clones just prior to harvest and had no problem rooting them. There are many myths out there concerning a flowering clones ability to root. As in many myths the clones get a bad rap. The truth is, a flowering clone is a fully mature plant. It is ready and willing to root quickly to continue its flowering process. The cambium layer is mature at this point making the formation of roots easier. The cambium layer is a celluar layer just below the bark from where the roots come from. So, truth is. They will and do root well.

Why use a flowering clone?
This is a simple question to answer. Just take a look at the attatched pictures. The branching power of the flowering clone is unbelievable compaired to any other clone I've dealt with. In fact, one usually has to prune some of these branches before flowering starts to direct energy into the larger cola's. I guess the proper question here is why one wouldnt use a flowering clone? I have seen products out there that boast that they stimulate branching. Lol.... why spend money on that when massive branching is simply a few clips away? Let me give you an example. I am currently growing a scrog with a single plant on each side. The screens are 3'x3'. I have 112 holes to be filled in each screen. Out of the 224 holes only 24 do not have a budsite in them. I counted the budsites on one half of one screen and came up with 62 so far and Im only 23 days into flowering so far. I've done seed grows in this fashion and never come up with the amount of sites I get with flowering clones. Another great application for the flowering clone is growing outdoors. I gave thirty of these little jewels to an outdoor cultivator a few years back. All the plants stayed low and got super bushy. To avoid detection a small profile plant is ideal for outdoor cultivators. Try this method once and I imagine you will never take a vegging clone again.

What is the best method to grow these clones?
I prefer a Scrog (screen of green) but alot of people out there use them for the natural way of growing. These clones are just plain old effective no mater which way you grow. They can even be used in the SOG (sea of green) method. Flowering clones in this application will grow straight up and form a nice large cola about 14-18 inches long if started into flowering at less than 6inches. Hydro bubblers, ebb n flo, turbotank, coco or soil these babies rock.

How do I take a Flowering Clone?
Just as you would any other clone. No special handling is needed here. Treat the clones as you would any other. Cut, scrap, dip and then into the medium. Is this your first time taking cloning? Have no fear. Just jump in there and clip away at them. Take a few more clones than you expect to use. This way if a few fail, you will have enough to get started. There are numerous guides and how to threads at this site to help you with the details (use the search tool to find what you need). I often times see new gardeners that are apprehensive about taking clones but these fears are quickly taken away with a little hands on experience. You have to find a system that works for you and stick with it. Remember the old saying, if it aint broke dont fix it. Well, that applies in cloning. Once you find what works for you stay with it.

How long do they take to root?
These clones usually are a little slower to regenerate but not to bad. I average about 14days till I start to see roots coming out the bottom of the rockwool cubes. That time will vary a little it seems with different strains. Some of them take forever and some root quickly. The clones should stay perky and upright. A small flo right above the humidity dome is all they need for light. Remove the humidity dome at least once a day to allow some fresh air inside. Do not walk off and forget about it. They will die quickly if left in the open air to long without a root system to support them. If the plants begin to wilt while the hood is off. This tells you that they have not formed roots yet. They still rely on the humidity to support their needs. Also, keep an eye out for new growth forming. Once it starts to emerge you have roots forming and the plant is responding well to its environment. Once I see roots starting to poke out the bottom I remove the paper and sink them into whatever medium I'm using. I normally will not wait for many roots to show. Once they show a few roots they can be transfered.The mature clone will start to throw out unserated leaves at first and it kinda looks a little odd. Not to worry though. Right behind the unserated leaves will emerge the normal leaf sets. Once they start to come around you will see the branching ability of these clones. Sometimes its best to at least tie down some main branches to promote a wider plant. Multiple cola's will form from these tie downs. A week prior to flowering a pruning session happens and once more at the two week period of flowering. You have to remember to leave yourself a few nice clones to be taken in the third week.

What mixture of nutrients do I use for these clones?
This may be a debateable item but this is what I do. I use a one gallon milk jug and keep it just for clones. I let the chlorine burn off first. Then add a capful of bloom, capful of B1 complex, capful of h2o2 and one half teaspoon of Dark Energy. I then soak the rockwool cubes in the solution overnite and then select my clones when the lamps come on in the morning. Since I've started using this mixture I have had minimal yellowing in the clones and the sucesss rate has been better.

Warmth is Key!
Important to remember that a little warmth for the new cuttings helps them along. I place my small container on top of a towel that rests upon a normal household heating pad on the low setting. This extra warmth not only keeps the new cuttings warm and cozy. It also makes the dome sweat keeping it damp constantly. I always add a small amount of mixture mentioned above to the rocks below. Then its time to sit back and wait. Dont ya hate that part? lol.

Will these clones improve my yeild?
Lol.... compaired to topping and fimming yes this will improve your harvest and make it happen faster. I truely do not think Im going out on a limb here (lol). When I say they will improve your grows I can say from experience that if done correctly it will without a doubt. When you top a plant everything stops. With a flowering clone that never happens. Never a slowdown. Its full tilt boogie from the time they start to regenerate till harvest time.


The pictures below speak volumes for the clones. I've been using them for a long time now and well, I just cant see another way of getting this much out of a plant. Give it a try and see for yourself. Have fun and stay safe, greenmonster714

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[dirk d]

i actually tried this out a few harvests back. took some cuttings from around 3-4 weeks and the clones were throwing shoots everywhere. fim'ing and topping didnt even come close to how many branches were everywhere. took a little longer to root and revert back to veg but man it was impressive.

 

[Saerimmner]

I'm currently growing & smoking my way through as many different strains as I can to find my favs for my own mother plant stock for future clone grows for my own tastes/needs, there are so many strains out there and I'm gonna try as many of them as I can in my ongoing quest for my "holy grail" strains for my collection, and only the more rarer and more potent strains though . I'll only grow regular seed too as I want genetically stable females that will stand the test of time and take years of cloning abuse too, I also plan on doin a few 'lil breeding hacks of my own too to create something new myself in the future maybe... I have a real passion for mari, I just love it, all I want to do is be part of it's future..... whatever that may be.

hehe gd man, well if you ever find a pure indica that can skullfuck an elephant in 30seconds flat hit me up lmao

 

[THESkunkMunkie]

Thanx RB and of corse I don't mind bro, esp' with info like that . I did notice some crazy branching from my OG#18Skunk re-veg clones from last round, this pic says it all really...

Better than any topping job you can possibly do too, they just take a while to get re-veggin again though. But the results are great and I didn't notice any difference in potency smoke wise from this clone to the seed mother either.

 

[THESkunkMunkie]

hehe gd man, well if you ever find a pure indica that can skullfuck an elephant in 30seconds flat hit me up lmao

Will do, I want a killer indica myself but I'm still searching atm... Herijuana & KO Kush from Sannie, Anesthesia from Breeders Choice and Double Koosh from Motarebel all look promising to me >>> http://www.sanniesshop.com/
I've just got today & yesterday got my orders from Sannies through the door, I got x10 Jack Hammer & x10 Killing Fields F3 with x5 Killa Queen x NYCD (freebie seeds), and the Chocolate Mix with x5 Reclining Budda x Ladycane (freebie seeds), now which to start first Jack Hammer or Killing Fields?? I'm gonna have to think about this lol....

 

[realnyjuggalo23]

from whut i see and read the killing fields f1 was kinda thin in the cola next to the f2, and the f2 is the basis for the f3 as the f1 for the f2, so in that respect u cant go wrong, plus they claim they have a 70% blue pheno ratio, yes yes yes ....i love colorful plants....(ya ya for those of u who r saying we can read it for our selfs, well so can i)...now as for the other let me see,, the jack hammer sounds like it will turn into to a cola monster and both sound dank a hell.... fawk it can u do both???????????

 

[racerboy71]

Will do, I want a killer indica myself but I'm still searching atm... Herijuana & KO Kush from Sannie, Anesthesia from Breeders Choice and Double Koosh from Motarebel all look promising to me >>> http://www.sanniesshop.com/
I've just got today & yesterday got my orders from Sannies through the door, I got x10 Jack Hammer & x10 Killing Fields F3 with x5 Killa Queen x NYCD (freebie seeds), and the Chocolate Mix with x5 Reclining Budda x Ladycane (freebie seeds), now which to start first Jack Hammer or Killing Fields?? I'm gonna have to think about this lol....

personally, i'd go with that killing fields first skunk, but i'm not so sure that is exactly indica dom if i remember right, but of course i could always be wrong about that.

 

[THESkunkMunkie]

Yeah lol these KF & JH are satty dom strains RB mate, I was just naming a few indi strains I've been lookin at that are supposed to be real "couch lock" strains, the KO Kush is deffo gonna be making an apperence here at some point . And I only have space for 10 seedlings atm and want all of one strain going instead of doin 5 of each as I'm wanting the best selection out of 10 for mothers per strain. I'm thinkin on doin the KF first tbh.

 

[Saerimmner]

so whats been your favourites so far that you have grown?

 

[THESkunkMunkie]

so whats been your favourites so far that you have grown?

So far ~ Powergreen - local clone only strain from round here. I did it on my first ever "full set up"grow with a mate when I used to grow cash crops for him in my old place 5 years ago (taught me most of what I know now too), we did one run with it and then could never get hold of it again and I've not seen or smoked any since either. OG#18Skunk, BlackJack and Tahoe OGK are 3 more I liked a lot too, and all the others I've grown so far have been pretty forgettable tbh, and the Tahoe is the only one thats made me want to keep hold of for a mother so far too. But this strain hunt I'm on has only just got proper underway now so expect this list to grow.

 

[THESkunkMunkie]

Flowering Room (Garden) ~ 06/05/11

Nutrients/Additives used this week ~ CANNA Coco A+B, Rhizotonic, Cannazym, Canna Mono - Nitrogen & Calcium and Superthrive ~ E.C.- 1.7, ph - 5.9/6.0. Hand fed.

^^ GS-OG. from left to right ~ "Rose", "Daisy" and "Berta"

x3 - Grape Stomper OG ~ Day 14 for my 3 big beefy ladies, who've now been given names and are showing great girth and structure and flowers are starting to form now. Both Daisy & Berta have more of a tighter node spacing than Rose does and all 3 have a sleightly different look to them too. All the other GS-OG's I had turned out to be males even the 2 that were still in veg so thats 7 males binned & 3 females to run is the ratio I've ended up with.

^^ GS-OG ~ "Rose"

^^ GS-OG ~ "Daisy"

^^ GS-OG ~ "Berta"

x6 - Sour Hazy Jones ~ Day 14 and wow what a stretch on these bitches!! 4 of these have doubled in size/height in just 7 days, one of my other SHJ's is gonna be the same but she's a week behind these. But one out the 6 has stayed low in height and has much thicker branches too, I've cloned her and also named her "Lyla", I also have a couple of clones from the stretchy ones too. 6 females to run and 5 males binned is the ratio.

^^ SHJ ~ stretchy ladies!!

^^ SHJ ~ "Lyla"

x1 - Bubba Love ~ In flower 3 days now and I've supercropped to make 4 main tops. Still to confirm sex though, fingers crossed.

^^ Bubba Love


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