The Truth About Flushing

[drgreentm]

yeah sure. 7-14 days i dont think so if i waited that long the buds would crumble to the touch.

lol this is what i am saying your buds are drying much to fast and this will cause any cure to go to shit right away. the room temps you are speaking of should be taking much longer for the buds to dry then "5" days it should be taking weeks, like i said before with my room temps forced up to high 80's low 90's and virtually no humidity it still took a while to fully dry. but i guess there is just no helping you my friend you need to learn proper methodology sounds like you really dont know or your lying about your rooms atmosphere (not sure why).

 

[riddleme]

whoa what? your saying that trimming when wet is cutting corners? thats the first i heard of that. i did just as this thread prescibed, fed til cut and compared with one that i flushed and i have already shared my results. how can you say that because i trimmed when wet that had anything to do with whether it was flushed and whether the flush had an effeect on the end product. if you did not understand the experiment, i had two of the same plants, clones same mother, same size age, etc.. for one i flushed as usual the last 10 days of flower, for the other i fed up until i cut. i trimmed dried and cured the exact same. my end results are a difference in the buds. the one that was flushed crackles and burns to black ash when smoked. the one which was flushed burned clean into white ash. how does me trimming before dry have any effect on those results?

The whole point of my putting the flush info with the drowning info was the fact that the perception of flushing making a better end product is because the manner in which most flush at the end is akin to the drowning thing, in fact it is how I have settled on drowning them after trying several ways, I simply flush everyday but I still feed em afterwards

 

[drgreentm]

o and i also dont even use a fan in the room just hang, i found the fan causing uneven drying maybe thats your problem.

 

[endogarden]

Okay, I love this thread, just finished reading it all, and all you guys have been making great contributions, I really like how heated yet respectful everyone is, this is good shit.

So I am 2 days from week 8, I just flushed because I was concerned for the sugar leaves on the buds of some colas are turning a yellow/purple gradient, while others are normal lush green, and others yellowing heavily. All plants have been treated the same with the same nutes and sprays, so varying deficiencies seem to be based on size/hunger differences(?).

No idea what's up, so I decided to flush with 15ml of clearex per gal.

I am planning on feeding again today, but I wanted to find out you guyses opinions on my scenario in relation to drowning and whether I should feed again. I am using GH Floranova, Liquid KB, Floralicious Plus, MagiCal. Last feeding was 1000ppm @ 5.6pH, up from 850ppm @ 5.7pH last feeding a few days ago. My buds seem smaller than I would expect them to be from my other 3 grows in different spots.

I have (3) 3x3 flood trays on the floor of my grow tent on 5" wood blocks, the drains are blocked off. The trays can be filled about 5"-6" high, which is significantly lower than the top of the rootpots my botanicare coco coir is in.

If I want to drown the 11, 13, and 15 plants in each of the 3 trays, can I just flood the trays, and constantly keep topping them up by top feeding the root pots? Or is coco too well aerated for so short a tray?

Also I have concerns from bekindbud's experiment/experience:

My plant really sucked up the Water/Mol alot quicker than just water. I had to top her off a few times. Yesterday morning I topped her off and it wasnt much but it seems to stop sucking water and this morning when I checked the plant her top of the cola was very flimsy like. Reason I say that is that before I drowned my plant the bud was very tight, dense and hard. So I didnt know why this morning the top was all sqwishy like, so I said thats all and chopped.

The bud overall IMO is sweet fresh smelling and sticky. It seems to have changed alittle with smell during the process. Also not as dense as it was a few days ago but I am not sure why it got flimsy today. Anyone think or know why?

Does anyone who has drowned before (no ghosts please) know know why the bud lost density? Also could it have affected dry weight?

I want to try this method as it makes sense to me after reading the entirety of info.
Not sure if entirety is a word, but I'm tired, and just vaped some Grapefruit I clipped a few days ago off a tiny branch.

Any help or information would be greatly appreciated, I am in the process of aquiring a secret jardin dry tent to put the multi-level fabric growbox dry net I already have inside of.

I have zero space for curing or drying and this seems like the best plan for me, as it is collapsable and light tight. The room I plan to keep it in stays 40%rh and 65-75F. I plan on exhausting it with a 4" duct booster fan (on a fan speed controller if necessary) and a homemade carbon filter, and putting a 30pt dehumidifier inside (to be used if necessary).

I know I kind of asked a lot of questions about a random things, but I'm trying to sort out the near future of my plants and I think wisdom dwells on these pages.

So if you have any thoughts on these matters let me know, the citrus girls appreciate it.

 

[Ryder on the Storm]

I cant wait to make it rain. Im gonna have to come up with a different design than just putting them in buckets.
Ive got a soil scrog right now and it would be difficult to find a container to drown all three plants.
Maybe just using a contractor bag to surround each of the three planters in the scrog.
Riddleme, thanks for clearing the air on flushing.
abide

 

[endogarden]

*bump for my questions 2 posts above about drowning in coco coir*

 

[bekindbud]

Okay, I love this thread, just finished reading it all, and all you guys have been making great contributions, I really like how heated yet respectful everyone is, this is good shit.

So I am 2 days from week 8, I just flushed because I was concerned for the sugar leaves on the buds of some colas are turning a yellow/purple gradient, while others are normal lush green, and others yellowing heavily. All plants have been treated the same with the same nutes and sprays, so varying deficiencies seem to be based on size/hunger differences(?).

No idea what's up, so I decided to flush with 15ml of clearex per gal.

I am planning on feeding again today, but I wanted to find out you guyses opinions on my scenario in relation to drowning and whether I should feed again. I am using GH Floranova, Liquid KB, Floralicious Plus, MagiCal. Last feeding was 1000ppm @ 5.6pH, up from 850ppm @ 5.7pH last feeding a few days ago. My buds seem smaller than I would expect them to be from my other 3 grows in different spots.

I have (3) 3x3 flood trays on the floor of my grow tent on 5" wood blocks, the drains are blocked off. The trays can be filled about 5"-6" high, which is significantly lower than the top of the rootpots my botanicare coco coir is in.

If I want to drown the 11, 13, and 15 plants in each of the 3 trays, can I just flood the trays, and constantly keep topping them up by top feeding the root pots? Or is coco too well aerated for so short a tray?

Also I have concerns from bekindbud's experiment/experience:



Does anyone who has drowned before (no ghosts please) know know why the bud lost density? Also could it have affected dry weight?

I want to try this method as it makes sense to me after reading the entirety of info.
Not sure if entirety is a word, but I'm tired, and just vaped some Grapefruit I clipped a few days ago off a tiny branch.

Any help or information would be greatly appreciated, I am in the process of aquiring a secret jardin dry tent to put the multi-level fabric growbox dry net I already have inside of.

I have zero space for curing or drying and this seems like the best plan for me, as it is collapsable and light tight. The room I plan to keep it in stays 40%rh and 65-75F. I plan on exhausting it with a 4" duct booster fan (on a fan speed controller if necessary) and a homemade carbon filter, and putting a 30pt dehumidifier inside (to be used if necessary).

I know I kind of asked a lot of questions about a random things, but I'm trying to sort out the near future of my plants and I think wisdom dwells on these pages.

So if you have any thoughts on these matters let me know, the citrus girls appreciate it.

Endo, I wanted to let you know that after a week in jars the bud got its dense back and really cured up beautifully. I am still not 100% sure why the top of my cola started to give some but the bud turned out to be perfect and some people on RIU had a chance to smoke some and really enjoyed the smoke. I know it doesnt answer anything but I just wanted to let you all know that the bud was perfect after a week in jars! I am going to try it again.

Peace

BKB

 

[drgreentm]

Endo, I wanted to let you know that after a week in jars the bud got its dense back and really cured up beautifully. I am still not 100% sure why the top of my cola started to give some but the bud turned out to be perfect and some people on RIU had a chance to smoke some and really enjoyed the smoke. I know it doesnt answer anything but I just wanted to let you all know that the bud was perfect after a week in jars! I am going to try it again.

Peace

BKB

hey bekin how long did you drown the roots for?? i just did this to 2 of my plants for about 5 days and they are drying now and already smelling much better than usual im pretty exited to see the end result.

 

[bekindbud]

hey bekin how long did you drown the roots for?? i just did this to 2 of my plants for about 5 days and they are drying now and already smelling much better than usual im pretty exited to see the end result.

Thats about right, I always watch for when the plant stops sucking water down....If your drowning with Molasses it probably smells horrible but the end result will be pleasing.

Peace

BKB

 

[Cali.Grown>408]

i use to flush with molasses but a couple grows ago i stopped using it cuz i noticed alot of feeding charts cut out all carbs after week 7..it wont make a difference the last week cuz they have stored sugars in there leaves already..o yea and im a flusher..no set pattern, i just flush till my ppm run off is below 250 and my plants automn off

 

[My420]

I also included some bud porn for your viewing pleasure,,,,,,,Enjoy

This guy Taint is a moron and talks crap about everyones grow but for what he claims to know his plants look small airy and buds are barely bigger then a lighter and he says he gets 4-6 ounces off 1 plant that is 16 inches high and 13 inches wide with buds a little bigger then a lighter. Taint seriously every time i see a response by you it is uneducated and untested by you so why don't you just shut up and get a life because all you do is talk talk talk with nothing to back it up and when you talk crap about other peoples grow dude at least steal pics off the internet or something but talking all that crap is just making you look ridiculously stupid over and over and over and over... It is like me asking Tom Brady how to throw a football then saying you do not know crap about it and I know better but you can not even throw it 10 yards. You are seriously a ridiculous joke and you continue to talk crap with no real successful grows guessing your pics are from the best one you ever had you lie about yield yourself but say everyone else is BS'ing and that is because you have never experienced what others are talking about when they say they got this or that. You are a joke and a moron and you really need to get educated and stop spewing crap from you mouth because that is all you do. Otherwise show some pics of "Your so called successful grow and shut me up" but you can't because you really do not know WTF your talking about or even doing. So stop trying to tell people they are always wrong and being a dick knowing you suck worse then anyone.

 

[My420]

lol this is what i am saying your buds are drying much to fast and this will cause any cure to go to shit right away. the room temps you are speaking of should be taking much longer for the buds to dry then "5" days it should be taking weeks, like i said before with my room temps forced up to high 80's low 90's and virtually no humidity it still took a while to fully dry. but i guess there is just no helping you my friend you need to learn proper methodology sounds like you really dont know or your lying about your rooms atmosphere (not sure why).

True that tho unless your buds are the size of your nuts should take a while to cure. Airy buds take a short time to cure. My buds take about 2 full weeks because of the size.

 

[Cali.Grown>408]

hydro usually takes a few days longer to dry..DWC style at least

 

[My420]

Yea soil took me about 10-11 days while setup like the one I got now which is hydro took 13-16 days to be honest..

 

[endogarden]

Endo, I wanted to let you know that after a week in jars the bud got its dense back and really cured up beautifully. I am still not 100% sure why the top of my cola started to give some but the bud turned out to be perfect and some people on RIU had a chance to smoke some and really enjoyed the smoke. I know it doesnt answer anything but I just wanted to let you all know that the bud was perfect after a week in jars! I am going to try it again.

Peace

BKB

Thanks very much for the reply. I'm very glad to hear they turned out well in the end. I am definitely gonna try keeping my coco wet as well as I can for 5 days or so, do you guys recommend my current plan:

When they are looking ready to chop, drown the plants with no aeration.

Leave the lights on the first day to wick all the water off, continually wetting them to keep the roots un-aerated.

Turn the lights off on day 2 and leave em in the dark for 5 days.

Then turn the lights on and wait till they wake up on the 5th day.

Start the harvest as usual. Dry for 1-2 weeks (in a tent with a fan (small 100-250cfm fan), cure for 1-2 weeks (in jars with hygrometers).

Enjoy

 

[My420]

Thanks very much for the reply. I'm very glad to hear they turned out well in the end. I am definitely gonna try keeping my coco wet as well as I can for 5 days or so, do you guys recommend my current plan:

When they are looking ready to chop, drown the plants with no aeration.

Leave the lights on the first day to wick all the water off, continually wetting them to keep the roots un-aerated.

Turn the lights off on day 2 and leave em in the dark for 5 days.

Then turn the lights on and wait till they wake up on the 5th day.

Start the harvest as usual. Dry for 1-2 weeks (in a tent with a fan (small 100-250cfm fan), cure for 1-2 weeks (in jars with hygrometers).

Enjoy

I just chop em but I do not do a 5 day darkness I do 48 hours.

 

[Illumination]

Thanks very much for the reply. I'm very glad to hear they turned out well in the end. I am definitely gonna try keeping my coco wet as well as I can for 5 days or so, do you guys recommend my current plan:

When they are looking ready to chop, drown the plants with no aeration.

Leave the lights on the first day to wick all the water off, continually wetting them to keep the roots un-aerated.

Turn the lights off on day 2 and leave em in the dark for 5 days.

Then turn the lights on and wait till they wake up on the 5th day.

Start the harvest as usual. Dry for 1-2 weeks (in a tent with a fan (small 100-250cfm fan), cure for 1-2 weeks (in jars with hygrometers).

Enjoy

no need to wake them up just chop preferably in normal light...not grow lights...besides they are dying so no wakeup should occur

hope it helps

Namaste'

 

[endogarden]

no need to wake them up just chop preferably in normal light...not grow lights...besides they are dying so no wakeup should occur

hope it helps

Namaste'

Thanks for the input! Do you think there would be any adverse effect from turning on one or 2 of the 600s @ 75% power, just so I can see to chop?

The only reason I was going to wake them up, was riddleme's original post here:

the only definitive is to "somehow" drown them and trust me I know this is a bit of a bitch because everyone here is all about DON'T OVERWATER EM but it's over they are done have a friggin pool party, call the bikini babes, chill the beer, fire up a phatty and OVER WATER THEM BITCHES!!!!!

Here is what I do I have big drain pans that my pots sit in when I water it runs into buckets< I simply plug the drain holes and flood the drain pans bout 5~6 inches deep then I water the plants by dipping water from the drain pans and pouring it thru the pots 4 times a day (overwatering at its classic best) I wait till they are done to do this, not 5 days before I think they might be done

I leave the light on th first day let em get all excited and try to wick all that water off (and they will as long as they have light) then on day 2, I turn the lights off and leave em in the dark for 5 days then I turn the lights on and wait till they wake up and start to get excited then whoosh I start the harvest and go all reaper on em LOL

But here is the thing every garden is different so each of you has to do what works best for you there is no right or wrong way to drown a done/dying plant, the only potential hazzard is mold so try to keep the humidity low and check on em often (peace of mind is a terrible thing to waste)

this harvesting ditty first appeared in the calling all noob growers thread around post #401 (I think) it was a 4 part ditty, what I put here was just the last part and after I posted it folks started experimentin, the results are in the thread of all that we did. It was Rasta that figured out the extended dark part speedin things up. most of us are still tweakin our methods (or madness depending on your point of view) not like we have a harvest every week but that would be nice too

bottom line is several of us have done it, it has worked everytime, only one grower had mold (so far), I can honestly say that I tend to do things without hesitation that would terrify the bejesus out of some (ok maybe most) cause I'm not afraid to and cause I don't fear the loss if it happens, I learn and move on. I realize that a lot of you have chewed all your fingernails off gettin to your first harvest and don't wanna screw anthing up, so maybe only do it to one plant if you have doubts. but folks this is how we learn and how we find ways to get better buds and trust me I'm all about better buds

 

[riddleme]

I have tried several variations and have landed on leaving them going with lights on, yes it takes longer but that is not really a concern for me as the end product IMO is better

 

[Lat33n]

Im growing outdoors in pots, when the time comes for drowning is moving them into a shady spot suggested and do the root balls need to be completely submerged in the water?Also you say 10 to 14 days in the light, should I just count on a full 14 days or until the water starts smelling real funky ? I am familiar with the smell from water curing some Kali Mist last year for cooking oil