Osama Is Not Dead!He's On An Aircraft Carrier Being Treated As He Should Be..

[cannabisguru]

Come on. I can't believe no one else is saying this other than the Militany Muslim groups.

Think about it. a HUGE team of seals, arguably the the best fighting group in the world. Certainly trained to SHIT!

Your telling me that they wouldnt have gone into that house with some form of Non lethal weapontry (one guy in the group.. incase a kid pops up around the corner) & one again, your telling me they couldnt have hit him with tranquilizer darts (or some form of.. you can imagine they have some pretty neat shit to choose from) & got him out of there.

I really believe there's more than a chance that he is on an aircraft carrier somewhere with a cattle prod up his ass singing like a canary.

I could be wrong. But I promise, if they WANTED to get someone out of there alive it would have happened.

There is the argument that they HAD to kill him, not take him alive because of the poilitical backlash or something. But that;s the same reason they would cover up his actual capture.

Myself, I hope they have him in a cave with lsd & some really shitty stobe lights & he;s beggin for momma. Fuck water boarding. You put a drill bit in a guys elbow he;s gonna chat about anything you want.

I suspect they are getting as much info out of him as possible THEN he will be fish food. If he IS alive, there is NO way he is ever going to see the light of day again. And I;m ok with that

You should put yourself in those peoples shoes bro. Put yourself in a 'Special Ops' shoes.. your in the helicopter about to raid Osama's hideout.. you really going to fucking care rather or not any of your team mates have 'non-lethal' artillery?!?! Get the fuck outta here with that..

here's another thing to consider kid.. you really think the U.S. would take non-lethal weapons.. to a lethal weapon fight?? NO!! They raided his hideout with one mission.. and that mission was to kill Osama on sight. My sisters husbands brother.. was one of the 'Special Ops' that got sent over to do this mission. To hunt down Osama.. and by God, we got his ass... period, hands down.

So for you to come up with some off the wall theory about how 'Osama isn't dead'... man, your way out there bro. LMAO..

Osama is dead bro.. period. Get over it already..

Lastly, the other reason they were told to kill him on sight was the fact that the U.S. government had no use for Osama. The U.S. knew that once they did find Osama or his hideout place.. they knew that they would gather plenty of information from computers and other sources of electronic information on other electronic devices. Which, sure enough.. that's exactly what they got.. when they raided his hideout. That's why they killed Osama.. not only that, but I'm sure it had something to do with a little bit of revenge as well.. for attacking American soil on 9/11.

He's dead.. period. Move on with life..

peace.

 

[doc111]

the point is there evidence is not good enough, they killed him and threw his body to sea 2 weeks ago what? they lie constantly, they got caught lying like hundreds of times about this osama bin laden fable really their story is full of so many holes. How convenient this happens right after this birth certificate shit, right after they demonize conspiracy theorist really?

I love your sources doc , the cia, the military, the main stream media, people who are paid to follow orders and protect their employers interest, great sources, ya lets just take their word for it. If I was one of those NAVY Seals I wouldn't say shit, Oh the "numerous videos compiled by the CIA" these must be accurate totally not a psy-op of sorts, yea they totally would tell 100% truth. on a subject which is a patsy of their own agency or at least a subject which is of great interest to them, they are totally unbiased regarding osama bin laden(sarcasm)

You just commited a logical fallacy my friend. I'll let you figure out what I'm talking about since you got this all figured out.

 

[doc111]

"I realize the testing isn't conducted on the 99.9% of the DNA which is shared by most other mammals."

That's not what you said originally, not even close. I was upset because what you said was wrong. I got my information on how DNA testing is done from a medical site online googling DNA matching and how it applies to the law. I don't ever accept either side of any story, not conspiracy theorists side or the governments, I research them myself and listen to both sides and see what could be true and what couldn't.

I watched obama in his first broadcast and when people cheered outside the white house after he said one thing, then watched the story change the next day, then again the next, didn't just take conspiracy theorists word for it that it changed. It did change. Why is that? Didn't he say he watched the whole thing live and led the whole operation or at least set it up himself? He's not a stupid guy, and I don't see him as having a memory problem so bad he couldn't remember one of the single most important events during his presidency.

I shouldn't have yelled with bold fonts, buy you pissed me off completely dismissing my accurate claim which I took the time to investigate on my own with your innacurate info and a claimed experience in the subject.

The rest of what you just typed deflects the subject back to hearsay and worse. So someone says a relative says, a relative we could torture with the patriot act who is under the custody of some not too nice people who also torture and kill at will. A courier said to someone in government, and they said something to the media, and the media repeated it to us, and they supposedly used facial recognition to match a guy who's face has changed twice at least on us already etc. Wow that's all really convincing stuff

There's nothing to debate when there are no facts and no evidence. It's not just hearsay, actually worse it's third and fourth party and worse hearsay, possibly under diress without even the words out of the original peoples mouths on screen to verify proper translation from people with a vested interest in deceiving you.

Facts can be debated and the fact is the official story has changed 3 times already, and claims were made that are impossible.

If I'm wrong and everyone else questioning it is wrong that 99% is not mathematically possible, show me how with the math based on the number of DNA segments used in testing, or don't. We are both wasting our time here if you aren't open to the possibility it's all bullshit.

Dude, match probability isn't just calculated by the DNA evidence alone! You keep going back to the "mathematical possibility" bullshit and you aren't even using it correctly! Here's some more websites which talk about forensic match probability and how it's calculated. Sorry if you don't like my sources. We don't have much else to go on though.


http://dna-view.com/profile.htm

http://bioforensics.com/conference/RMP/index.html

http://plus.maths.org/content/os/issue55/features/dnacourt/index

 

[deprave]

You just commited a logical fallacy my friend. I'll let you figure out what I'm talking about since you got this all figured out.

pretty weak arguement, the red area you highlighted doesn't even constitute a logical fallacy on its own, seems like maybe you should "figure it out" before you use it. You could say my whole argument was a logical fallacy but not just the highlighted words, its still a weak argument, and an avoidant response, its almost denial.

 

[doc111]

pretty weak arguement, the red area you highlighted doesn't even constitute a logical fallacy on its own, seems like maybe you should "figure it out" before you use it.

lol! I never said it did. You basically are assuming that my information is wrong because YOU don't like the source or because the government has lied about SOME things. THAT my friend is a logical fallacy. Not weak at all on my part but pretty damn weak on yours.

 

[deprave]

no thats not what I am assuming, I am assuming the governments "argument" (if you want to call it that) is wrong based on reasoning, not your argument, to be a logical fallacy would mean I was intending to deceive based on a line of reasoning, which is not the case, I have no need to deceive only to point out the facts. I am not saying one way or another what happened, hell the helm cam could be released tommorow, but as it stands there is no evidence and only fairytale stories full of holes that are constantly changing. THE ONLY THING WE HAVE IS THE GOVERNMENTS WORD FOR IT - which like any logical rational intellectual human being, I do not trust their word.

 

[doc111]

no thats not what I am assuming, I am assuming the governments "argument" (if you want to call it that) is wrong based on reasoning, not your argument, to be a logical fallacy would mean I was intending to deceive based on a line of reasoning, which is not the case, I have no need to deceive only to point out the facts. I am not saying one way or another what happened, hell the helm cam could be released tommorow, but as it stands there is no evidence and only fairytale stories full of holes that are constantly changing. THE ONLY THING WE HAVE IS THE GOVERNMENTS WORD FOR IT - which like any logical rational intellectual human being, I do not trust their word.

That's all fine and good, but you haven't presented any facts. What exactly is your "argument". I guess I'm a bit confused.

I'm certain there are those among us that no amount of evidence will ever satisfy, yet they will blindly believe whatever conspiracy blogs are putting out. I don't get it.

 

[deprave]

Im not trying to have some kind of argument on my behalf or something, I only wish to participate in this discussion.

Your right I am sure there are people who blindly follow conspiracy blogs, but if there wasn't any conspiracy you gotta think there wouldn't be any 'conspiracy theories'. I like to look at all sides of an argument, with this subject as far as I am concerned they really haven't presented ANY evidence whatsoever. If they just leave at this its making a mockery out of the American People. We have yet to see the end of this however. Yea there is a lot of conspiracy theorist off their rocker, for one its got paranoid shizophrenia written all over it, but you gotta look at the whole picture you can't just deny even one thing they point out because another thing they say is absolutely insane like lizard people or whatever. You can't just write off all conspiracy theories as insane rants 100% through and through - often times there is a method to the madness - its not all bullshit - some things are based in reality, hell I think they are more in touch with reality then most politicians and most people in one sense, in the sense they dont live in the childrens book of a world painted for us by the main stream media.

They will likely announce they found the plans for 9/11 next and then the childrens book continues, it will identify new people behind the plans and obama will put on his cape and fight some more crime saving the princess using unicorn powers. Mark my words this is what happens next.

[video=youtube;66wAi1tUh-I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66wAi1tUh-I[/video]

 

[Beansly]

no thats not what I am assuming, I am assuming the governments "argument" (if you want to call it that) is wrong based on reasoning, not your argument, to be a logical fallacy would mean I was intending to deceive based on a line of reasoning, which is not the case, I have no need to deceive only to point out the facts.

I don't think you know what a "fallacy" in regards to this conversation and critical thinking. Your breaking down the two different words to extrapolate an explanation, but "fallacies" are different slightly when talking about it in debate.
For instance, one is called the "Slippery-Slope" fallacy. I'm not good at explaining things without sounding stupid even if I know what I'm talking about so here's is a short explanation from wikipedia;
"The heart of the slippery slope fallacy lies in abusing the intuitively appreciable transitivity of implication, claiming that A leads to B, B leads to C, C leads to D and so on, until one finally claims that A leads to Z."

So, politician A says;
"If we legalize gay marriage, then the nuclear family will disintegrate and we'll get taken over by China."

Obviously that was an exaggeration, but not really.

Fallacys don't disprove your point. Just makes you look like you don't know what your talking about.
Here is a great site that will teach you most of the fallacies and how to make you debate stronger.
http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html#Argumentum ad antiquitatem
The fallacies are the ones in latin.

Hope this helps ;p
(im sure it wont and you'll probably take this the wrong way)

Beanz

 

[Burger Boss]

This thread questions: OBL, dead or alive?........seems fairly simple.....Blink once for yes, twice for no.........See....even a quadrapalegic, could "voice" an opinion!
No questioning the state of DNA science.....No semantic "dust ups"....Nope, just a simple "yes/no" would get the job done.....And that would be YOUR opinion and nothing more.....No one in this forum was THERE!.......And yet, some seem so sure that a GREAT HOAX has been perpetrated on the world.........And to what end, I can't possibly fathom..........Announce that the MOST wanted man on the globe was dead, and have him show up on Al Jeezera laughing his ass off at us? Yeah...that would get Obama reelected for SURE!
I realize my little foray into basic logic was most likely so much "wheel spinning" up the road of "closed & locked" mind set's exhibited here....So, I'll leave you with, Good luck & good grow.......BB

 

[OregonMeds]

Doc111 we're done with that argument. You claimed to have knowlege on the subject of DNA matching personally, and you could have explained things in your own words and refuted what I said in my own words, but instead you show none of your own experience to back up your claim and instead keep just throwing links.

You can't fathom the reason Burger? We've said the reason over and over, obama's re-election possibilities.

His approval rating was absolutely in the tank, and now it's magically better. The powers in charge are worried we might wake up and vote 3rd party candidates like Ron Paul. None of this is opinion, it's a fact based on DHS documents where they claim potential terrorists in this country are people with Ron Paul bumper stickers. They also claim ex military are potential terrorists. That's one hell of a way to "support our troops".

I can't believe people don't smell the fishyness.

 

[deprave]

its amazing once you wake up you see the fantasy world they paint for us reads like a Tom Clancy Novel, with todays technology their antics are laughable, this is why so many people ask questions about everything now, this is why there is so many "conspiracy theories". This generation of intellectuals and free thinkers isn't going to buy into their shit, why do you think they outlaw and demonize free thinking. In the words of the progressives and democrats of yesteryear "I can't wait till all the old folks pass on and the new generation is put in charge" or "They would still be in horse and buggy if they had their way" --- same thing applies here - wake the hell up - there is an attack on our freedom and liberty - on the constitution - on the american way of life. This generation doesn't like what we are inheriting; debt, illegal wars for rich men, corruption, imperialism, and tyranny with the bankers in charge. I believe I stand with my peers in saying "NO THANKS" - take your bullshit comic book stories, your rich men wars, your corporate fraud and plunder, and shove it big government.

 

[doc111]

Doc111 we're done with that argument. You claimed to have knowlege on the subject of DNA matching personally, and you could have explained things in your own words and refuted what I said in my own words, but instead you show none of your own experience to back up your claim and instead keep just throwing links.

You can't fathom the reason Burger? We've said the reason over and over, obama's re-election possibilities.

His approval rating was absolutely in the tank, and now it's magically better. The powers in charge are worried we might wake up and vote 3rd party candidates like Ron Paul. None of this is opinion, it's a fact based on DHS documents where they claim potential terrorists in this country are people with Ron Paul bumper stickers. They also claim ex military are potential terrorists. That's one hell of a way to "support our troops".

I can't believe people don't smell the fishyness.

I explained things to the best of my ability. I'm sorry if it was not satisfactory to you. I'm not that good at explaining really technical things so I put up some links for the layperson. I'm not sure what you are getting so bent out of shape over. I worked in a DNA/HLA testing lab for almost 3 years. Not a ton of experience I realize, but what experience do YOU have doing this sort of testing? You are making an argument that is in no way related to match probability. I simply pointed this out, correcting your statement. Most labs generally use 13 loci, or markers as you called them, not 16 for forensic DNA profiling. If there is something you are confused about I will be glad to try and explain it but you just totally poo-pooed my experience (I suspect you are questioning it) and my links. Do you not like what they say or something? What would you have me do to prove my experience? You like to see a copy of my W-2's or something? This is very technical and confusing shit, even for people who are somewhat experienced in this field. I'm really confused here. I'm not sure what you are looking for.

 

[doc111]

Im not trying to have some kind of argument on my behalf or something, I only wish to participate in this discussion.

Your right I am sure there are people who blindly follow conspiracy blogs, but if there wasn't any conspiracy you gotta think there wouldn't be any 'conspiracy theories'. I like to look at all sides of an argument, with this subject as far as I am concerned they really haven't presented ANY evidence whatsoever. If they just leave at this its making a mockery out of the American People. We have yet to see the end of this however. Yea there is a lot of conspiracy theorist off their rocker, for one its got paranoid shizophrenia written all over it, but you gotta look at the whole picture you can't just deny even one thing they point out because another thing they say is absolutely insane like lizard people or whatever. You can't just write off all conspiracy theories as insane rants 100% through and through - often times there is a method to the madness - its not all bullshit - some things are based in reality, hell I think they are more in touch with reality then most politicians and most people in one sense, in the sense they dont live in the childrens book of a world painted for us by the main stream media.

They will likely announce they found the plans for 9/11 next and then the childrens book continues, it will identify new people behind the plans and obama will put on his cape and fight some more crime saving the princess using unicorn powers. Mark my words this is what happens next.

[video=youtube;66wAi1tUh-I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66wAi1tUh-I[/video]

I've spent years studying various conspiracy theories. Most of us realize they exist but not everything is a conspiracy. I knew the moment I saw this story on the news it was going to be conspiracy heaven for all the conspiracy theorists and crazies. This isn't even 2 weeks old and already people are standing up saying they KNOW what went down on one of the most top secret military operations of our time. It's laughable! We will never get all the answers and quite frankly we shouldn't. There is already concern that too much operational detail was given out and there is fear in the SEAL community (something rarely, if ever, seen) for their and their family's safety. I don't know what happened, I wasn't there, and I am one of the most skeptical people you will ever meet. I also don't blindly buy into everything the government and MSM feeds us. Many of these conspiracies, however, have little basis in fact except for some coincidences or odd occurences. Virtually none of them have people coming forward claiming to have partaken in said conspiracy. People can't keep their mouths shut so this is also another problem for the conspiracy folk. So you don't trust the government? I can respect that, but I caution people to not blindly believe all of this stuff, just as you blindly don't just believe everything the MSM and government tell us.

 

[gottit14]

wow thats fucked up since so many countries ride the coat tales of us americans and to let u know im a 29 yr old american that believes our gov't is corrupt like you said but the shit isnt funny so stop fucking laughing. How cant we notice all the money squandered and everything bush has done to us, so many americans like my grandparents are blind to it because the worked thier asses off their whole lives and believed in god and the people they feel were elected to take care of things the right way. People think obama is a problem, well how bout this how is it even possible to vote for a muslim if thats what he is and at a time like this why would they even put a blk man in office with so much on his plate cmon man even ik thats stupid. Bush was way worse to the USA then anyone he set this all up and put obama in a corner. Atleast obama got that motherfuckr instead of blowing up buildings and blowing money on a bs war, he gave us some faith, and even in shambles the us is still helping japan and libya wtf is ur country doing its a fucking crisis dont ya think u should help, and do u actually think even if the us govt failed us they still couldnt go wever they want and stomp a mudhole in ur asses plz, i we need help someone should step up we have protected everyone forever and ewre the youngest country how can u be so heartless i work hard for my shit and i know shit is looking o pop off

 

[OregonMeds]

The only thing we know is our government and media can't be trusted period. And no obama is not better than bush, he's taken all this to even worse degrees than bush did. Hell he even called bush after this so called osama killing like a good buddy.

Obmama ran on change and the first thing he did was bring in all the old chronies into his circle of super friends. How was that supposed to bring in change?

He said he would end wars, not even close.

He said he would close guantanamo. Nope.

He said he would stop the drug war or at least back off on medical legal states and people. Nope.

He said he would change things for the better in general. Nope...

He not only didn't bring change, he raised the bar on corruption.

sb510, we can't grow our own food garden any more. Did he stop that? No.

We are being set up. The denver airport murals prove it, the question is can't you see the writing on the walls? Look up what this document in this image means:

 

[deprave]

I've spent years studying various conspiracy theories. Most of us realize they exist but not everything is a conspiracy. I knew the moment I saw this story on the news it was going to be conspiracy heaven for all the conspiracy theorists and crazies. This isn't even 2 weeks old and already people are standing up saying they KNOW what went down on one of the most top secret military operations of our time. It's laughable! We will never get all the answers and quite frankly we shouldn't. There is already concern that too much operational detail was given out and there is fear in the SEAL community (something rarely, if ever, seen) for their and their family's safety. I don't know what happened, I wasn't there, and I am one of the most skeptical people you will ever meet. I also don't blindly buy into everything the government and MSM feeds us. Many of these conspiracies, however, have little basis in fact except for some coincidences or odd occurences. Virtually none of them have people coming forward claiming to have partaken in said conspiracy. People can't keep their mouths shut so this is also another problem for the conspiracy folk. So you don't trust the government? I can respect that, but I caution people to not blindly believe all of this stuff, just as you blindly don't just believe everything the MSM and government tell us.

Right on, your right, it has to be taken on a case by case basis, and this OBL one is almost really a waste of breath much like the birth certificate, nobody can prove either way there is only speculation and assumptions, but should it be demonized as crazy talk without first doing the research yourself? No ofcourse not, I am sure you understand this. The point is there is A LOT of "conpiracy theories" with good merrit, I really don't think its fair for people to demonize all conspiracy theories, take 9/11 for example, its pretty hard to deny the fact that their was bombs in the building, its pretty hard also to deny that the 9/11 commission report was not accurate, it is the "WHY" that is the conspiracy theory, not the "HOW"....The "HOW" is often based on cold hard facts.

The thing for me with this OBL is not really the immediate evidence but the story of bin laden as a whole, it just doesn't add up. If I believe Osama is a CIA patsy then how am I going to believe this assassination story that keeps changing, like I said the whole story appears straight out of a comic book for those of us that have researched and followed the OBL story.

 

[deprave]

yea obama is a liar and a crook , a puppet, no different from bush, in fact he is worse in my view, see what the conspiracy theorist say about him:

[video=youtube;eAaQNACwaLw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw[/video]

 

[gottit14]

wever he is their is no way one guy especally blk can change our problems duh

 

[doc111]

Right on, your right, it has to be taken on a case by case basis, and this OBL one is almost really a waste of breath much like the birth certificate, nobody can prove either way there is only speculation and assumptions, but should it be demonized as crazy talk without first doing the research yourself? No ofcourse not, I am sure you understand this. The point is there is A LOT of "conpiracy theories" with good merrit, I really don't think its fair for people to demonize all conspiracy theories, take 9/11 for example, its pretty hard to deny the fact that their was bombs in the building, its pretty hard also to deny that the 9/11 commission report was not accurate, it is the "WHY" that is the conspiracy theory, not the "HOW"....The "HOW" is often based on cold hard facts.

The thing for me with this OBL is not really the immediate evidence but the story of bin laden as a whole, it just doesn't add up. If I believe Osama is a CIA patsy then how am I going to believe this assassination story that keeps changing, like I said the whole story appears straight out of a comic book for those of us that have researched and followed the OBL story.

I never said it was crazy talk, and what research would you have me do on this subject? Let's keep in mind that the majority of this shit is classified and will remain so for the forseeable future. Let's also keep in mind that this happened less than 2 weeks ago! I've done about as much research as can possibly be done on this topic in the less than 2 weeks since it transpired. No amount of research or "proof" is going to change some people's minds. If the SEALs had delivered his corpse up on a silver platter for the world to personally inspect there are people who would find some reason to not believe it was him. As for 9/11???? *Sigh* I crawled around on that pile for over a month looking for bodies and survivors and never saw any evidence of explosives. I smelled a lot of jet fuel and death though.