Operation: Dr. Rockso

krygor

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Alright well after several days I've managed to get the air around my plants to around 75-78 degrees. However tragedy struck yesterday morning as I went in to adjust the lights and the arrangement of the plants. As I was raising my light bar, one of the light clusters tore through it and landed on my front seedling, smashing it flat. At first I was sure the seedling was lost as a result however after standing her backup and packing her soil a little tighter, it looks as if she is continuing to grow. By the way, the middle one seems to have become the monster of the pack, hehe. Anyways here's pics from today.



And here's how the plants are now arranged (no longer in larger pots of soil but just out in the open to increase ventilation to cool the temperature. Also you can see the lightbar now only holds three clusters and not 4 :?

 

uberpea

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haha dont worry man, same thing happened to me one time. Im sure it will continue to grow with a small stunt.

That middle one is looking much better!

Btw though, i never noticed this until now, you really shouldnt use something clear as a pot.
Roots are not supposed to have ANY light. so cover that thing up, or paint it black or move it. just do something man

Duece.
 

krygor

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Alright well I fear my plants might be succumbing to the condition known as "The Claw." The main leaves of my seedlings are drooping and curling downwards. Most people attribute this to overwatering. While I've only been watering the plants every 3 days or so, it's possible that I might have been giving them to large a quantity of water. Otherwise I think the plants might be suffering from a lack of oxygen. The 16 oz plastic cups they're growing in do have 5-6 small holes on the bottom however I don't trust their aeration too much. Here are some pics:



Now what I was considering was running out and getting a bag of perlite and doing an 80% fox farms ocean forest 20% perlite mix in some 4 gallon planters and transplanting the seedlings into them tonight. If you were in my shoes, what step would you take? The plants have increased in droopiness from mildly droopy to their current state over the last 4-5 days.
 

uberpea

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lack of oxygen..? dont you mean CO2? plants dont need oxygen. im telling you dude, get rid of those see through cups.
droopy leaves can be either over or underwatering. start watering more, see if it gets worse. if it does, then dont water so much.

hope this helps

Duece.
 

krygor

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lack of oxygen..? dont you mean CO2? plants dont need oxygen. im telling you dude, get rid of those see through cups.
droopy leaves can be either over or underwatering. start watering more, see if it gets worse. if it does, then dont water so much.

hope this helps

Duece.
Hey Pea, I appreciate you staying frequent with my thread. I wanted to respond to the topic of light exposure to root systems earlier but I had forgotten. I completely understand the idea that root systems, especially early on, can be fragile and delicate, and that widely it's believed that light exposure can be detrimental to them, however as of late there have been a number of arguments on the other side of the fence saying that any negative effects of light exposure to early root systems is negligible at best. Many people are now using clear pots/cups during the early stages of plant growth so they can easily monitor root growth and they're not reporting any significant damage. If you're like me and got started by reading Widowmaker's How To Grow tutorial stickied on the top of the newbie's corner, you'll have noticed that he to uses clear plastic cups for his initial pot without repercussions. Now the plan was to transplant the seedlings to opaque actual 4 gallon pots in about a week or less so that will resolve any issue that may or may not exist pertaining to the exposed roots, but as this is my first grow I'm really quite glad that I'm using the clear plastic cups because it really is quite neat to see how the roots are sprawling through the soil and covering much of wall surface of the cup.

Anyways I stopped by Wal-Mart after work and picked up a big bag of perlite. I'm going to mix a 80% fox farms 20 % perlite soil mix in the 4 gallon pots and prep them for transplant. If the droopiness gets any worse tomorrow I'll transplant them at that time.

Regarding a plant's need for oxygen, while they do use CO2 quite heavily, the roots of the plant also require oxygen to breath. Bare in mind CO2 is 2 parts oxygen and oxygen is a diatomic molecule meaning that oxygen is rarely found with just one atom but usually as a molecule of 2 atoms of oxygen bonded together. The air we breathe is actually a giant mix of oxygen nitrogen and other assorted gases found in our atmosphere. The roots need that oxygen however to help facilitate root and plant growth. If the roots were tightly packed in soil which didn't allow much ventilation or aeration, it could suffocate the roots which would ultimately end in the plant's death. Because of how poorly cut the drainage/aeration holes are, I think my roots might be suffering from an oxygen deficiency and while it may or may not be the cause of my leaves' curling, it's a problem that one would definitely want to clear up to steer clear of bigger problems down the road.

So anyways I think I might try as you suggested and water more to see if the problem gets worse or better, however I'm leaning towards it being over-watering because the moisture meter I bought is reading very high levels of moisture about 2-3 inches deep, however with my large lighting setup and its 1 inch proximity to the plants, I can understand why the top level of the soil drys up so quickly. To try to combat that I've been misting the plants 2 or 3 times a day. With that said though I'm pretty confident the plants have been getting enough water (1/4 liter for each plant residing in a 16 oz cup.)

Now that I've been able to present you with a little more information hopefully there's a more clear picture painted for you. Thanks for reading and stay tuned as I'll be updating at least once a day.
 

uberpea

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Very informative! You just told me quite a few things I didn't know, thank you. It still is hard for me to believe its lack of oxygen. But I do think you're probably right that you are over watering if you're getting moist readings at even 2-3 inches. Still uneasy about the clear cups, but you seem to know your shit.

Anyway, I'll still be around if you ever need advice, and for me to learn!

Duece.
 

SMOKENBUDDHA

SWEET JANE
well your doing some nice upgrading, the only thing i could say is that with all those cfls and time spent you could have hung a 250w hps and mylar and a vent fan and your temps would be lower. for the same price. also the mylar and 250w would produce better results than 40 arrays of light. im not bashing your grow, cfls work, im just saying for future insight, once you get an mh or an hps you will be like "i cant believe i had five thousand cfls"
 

krygor

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I have a buddy who's giving me a 400w hps/mh kit for free - woohoo. But that's two weeks away :?
 

krygor

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Alright so about 5 hours ago I transplanted three seedlings from their 16 oz plastic cups into 4 gallon planters which will serve as their final home. Unfortunately even though the soil was very dry, it seems like Fox Farm soil doesn't brick or stick together hard so my first seedling died when the root system was severed.


Learning from the mistake, I successfully transplanted the other two seedlings and they seem to be doing well.


After transplanting them and adjusting the setup slightly, my temperature problem seems to have been fixed as well.


Before planting the transplanted seedlings into the pots, I gave each 4 gallon pot about 1/2 gallon of pH 6.0 distilled water and then misted them gently after planting. I hope to see the "Claw" effects diminish tomorrow and hopefully they'll resume growth by Monday.

I'm really excited to acquire the 400w HPS/MH lamp from my friend. I knew that for a sea of green setup, I'd most likely end up getting a HID lamp at one point but didn't expect such a generous arrangement as the one he approached me with. In two weeks or so when I mount the HID light, I'll most likely rig a vertical light array with the CFL bulbs horizontal to use as side lighting so I can get the benefit of the HID lamp's superior light penetration and lumens but the CFLs ability to be safely used within an inch or so of foliage. I'm crossing my fingers that I should be able to produce some good results. In the meantime I'm wondering when I should begin feeding the plants nutrients and what nutrient cocktail would benefit them. At the moment, the seedlings are roughly 14 days old. I was thinking I'd give them another 2 weeks of just water and then at the beginning of week 5 I'd introduce a mix of Tiger Bloom and Big Bloom. Unfortunately I can't afford a PPM meter though so hopefully there's a simply pen and paper way of calculating the proper amount of nutes to mix.
 

pinksensa

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I dont know if you have any room left in the pot but I would have brought the soil up almost to the original leaves then it would have gotten a bushy chance to thicken up the stalk...
 

krygor

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I dont know if you have any room left in the pot but I would have brought the soil up almost to the original leaves then it would have gotten a bushy chance to thicken up the stalk...
I would have however I was so just relieved to be done with the transplants and after killing the first seedling I was kind of on edge and didn't want to be messing around with them anymore. In the future though I'll be sure to give that a shot.

Just a quick update, the plants seem to be doing quite well after their transplants. These pics taken 5 min ago:

 

krygor

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Quick update: Down to two semi-mature seedlings. The first one is growing beautifully however the second and younger seedling developed a little browning on the edge of 2 leaves which spread towards the center of the leaves within about 8 hours. Since then however the browning hasn't spread at all. Not really sure what the heck that's all about but I'm not going to beat my head up against the wall worrying about it.

 

uberpea

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hey krygor, good to see your plants are doing well!
those are nice and bushy.
Keep up the good work man

Duece.
 

HotNSexyMILF

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OOoooOOOoooOOOooOOO

I love this part... they're gonna hit their growth spurt. Perfect time for the transplant.. now wait.. they're gonna explode..Let's see some pix- take some everyday for this time..you're gonna want these pix, trust me..

Foxfarm soil does block together nice as well- you need to let the soil dry out before you transplant...transplant the day you'd normally water...(for future reference anyways.)
 

krygor

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They're getting big guys. I think one of em tried to grab when me when I wasn't looking today...





Some kind of freaky mutant bagseed shit...
 

HotNSexyMILF

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AHHhh. Love it. =)

Everyone loves flowering- yes, it's gorgeous then.. but there's just something I love about seeing them hit that huge growth spurt and explode into a beautiful lovely...:blsmoke:

Looks great- keep us updated..

Monstrous bagseed that looks like a pile of leaves? Maybe related to my Kiki. :mrgreen::blsmoke:
 
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