Hermie Seed Question

[cchamp]

General question about hermie seeds. I've read repeatedly that they should be dumped but if you did decide to grow them out what are the chances they'll produce hermies? Is there a difference between:

- The actual herming plants seeds

And

- Seeds from the hermie crossed with a feminized plant


And

- Seeds from the hermie crossed with a female from regular (non-fem) seed

?

Different percentages? You would think the crosses would be less likely to herm given that they have other more stable genetics in the mix.

Thanks!

 

[tommyo3000]

This is complex, but I think your question of stability of a hermie seed must be preceeded by the question: Why did the mother go hermie? If you did it on purpose with chemicals, and the breed didn't hermie on it's own, you should not have hermie tendencies.
If a seed came from a plant that hermied just because it wanted to, then the seed will express that.
Plants can also go hermie from stress.. I believe that will result in the same as a chemically-induced hermie.

I cannot answer the rest of your questions, but this may help.

 

[LordWinter]

Different percentages? You would think the crosses would be less likely to herm given that they have other more stable genetics in the mix.

The mere presence of more stable genetics in the mix makes no difference at all if the increased stability is a recessive trait or if it's effects are suppressed by the expression of another trait. It would appear that in the case of this plant, whatever went into the pairing brought along a bit of herm in that particular seed.

 

[dajosh42069]

General question about hermie seeds. I've read repeatedly that they should be dumped but if you did decide to grow them out what are the chances they'll produce hermies? Is there a difference between:

- The actual herming plants seeds

And

- Seeds from the hermie crossed with a feminized plant


And

- Seeds from the hermie crossed with a female from regular (non-fem) seed

?

Different percentages? You would think the crosses would be less likely to herm given that they have other more stable genetics in the mix.

Thanks!

Maybe people grow hermie seeds (which is essentially ANY bagseed from good Sensemilla) from start to finish with NO problems. While others get hermies most everytime they try. Part of it is luck, since genes can be tricky, and which are dominant and which are recessive is always a factor.

However as they said, you can INDUCE herming with certain chemicals, and environmental factors. Some plants will herm with minimal stress from environment, others can tolerate much much stress without so much as a tiny nanner (male flower).
If your considering growing from a herm seed, you need to be prepared to keep all conditions ideal, in order to minimize stress on it. Herm seeds are almost ALWAYS female, as it's the same method as making fem seeds.
And even then, if you give them the perfect life, there's still a chance they will herm. But percentages are very hard to give as genes are involved, and were not geneticists with access to a DNA analyzer. But the parentage involved with herm seeds is always the most important factor. IE; Why and how did they herm? When in life? ect, ect.

Good luck and good growing.

 

[cchamp]

Thanks. I'm unfortunately in the situation where it may not be an option. If it does happen it will be with 3 different strains all crossed with the herm perpetrator. All 3 were healthy big producers that produced nice tiger striped seeds. So many perceptions on this board get taken as absolute truths. Many are obviously based in fact but I'm always curious about their veracity. Hermie seeds being junk is one of those things. If I go that route I'll report to the board these stats:

- % of male/female
- % that herm out of each strain and overall
- overall health of grow/quality
- overall production


Wish me luck!!!

 

[growone]

the same question i pondered, having a hermie that produced plenty of seeds
hermied with no provocation(as far as i can tell), hermied early in flower
planted one of the seeds, about 5 weeks into flower, maybe another 4 weeks to go
no trace of hermie in offspring, if it does hermie it will be late(which tweezers should be able to take care of)

 

[genuity]

read up on them chemdog new strains,best herm cross i have seen,they are not for everybody,but if u do not mind
a few seeds here n there,some herm seeds work.

 

[cchamp]

Anything else you think I should track if I go through with it?

 

[growone]

Anything else you think I should track if I go through with it?

since you asked, characterizing the offspring's resemblance to the parents(as much as the parents are known) would be nice
i saw another post today on this for some S1 seeds, which did fall rather nicely into the Mendelian expectation

 

[cchamp]

Well the answer that can be provided so far:

- 11 out of 12 have showed sex. All 11 are female. Obviously that is statistically signifcant and not a random outcome. There is a direct correlation between hermie polinated plants producing feminized seeds. Currently they are all healthy, all green, all growing well. I will keep the board posted on how it plays out.

 

[growone]

thanks for updating
the hermie seed i grew out also turned out female, harvested about a month ago, not a trace of a male bloom
worked out so well that i'm trying a 2nd run with another hermie seed

 

[vic420]

the seeds from hermi plants.. i tend to see if any stress is givin to that plant it will hermi but if u take care of it great.. and use some reverse to prevent ive used all hermi seeds for my begining grows.. and never had any seeds..

 

[growone]

the seeds from hermi plants.. i tend to see if any stress is givin to that plant it will hermi but if u take care of it great.. and use some reverse to prevent ive used all hermi seeds for my begining grows.. and never had any seeds..

reverse is interesting stuff, haven't tried it yet
opinions seem pretty wide ranging, there does seem to be some effect when you use it