The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2

[redivider]

great NoDrama, here's another example why brain-less repetition of economic theory may make sense in classrooms and online forums, but let's take a close look at what you are saying...

you are saying that a way to lower admissions prices in colleges would be to devastate enrollment demand by making government mandated access to financing a thing of the past....

i mean, the numbers and graphs make sense...

but do you really want to use that manipulation of demand to make a point??

let's stop and think how great it would be for our economy if every college student taking government mandated (yet privately administered) student loans would stop receiving that aid, making college inaccessible for millions of students. millions left without finishing their college degrees, millions more on their way out of highschool who wouldn't get a chance to get an education so they need to get a job.... but with less education means less chance to find a job.....

so no job, no education for millions.... what to do with them??? make up fake wars so we can ship them off to die???????


the types of market corrections you say will take place would set this country so far back that by then college might as well be free by then....

 

[Dan Kone]

and what happens when banks decide loaning money to go to college isn't profitable as gambling on the stock market?

The free market has spoken, so a generation of Americans won't be going to college! At what point does worshiping the market become insanity?

 

[deprave]

Ann Coulter calls Ron Paul fans deviants.


"Deviants always try to exaggerate their numbers so as not to feel quite so deviant. Ask any Ron Paul supporter."
-Ann Coulter.

"Luckily, Chris Christie, Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty, Michele Bachmann and Herman Cain are all happily married to one, and only one, spouse." - Ann Coulter
^
100% a lie






The republic is saved.

The Ron Paul I Know - Written By Ron Pauls One and Only wife Carol.

 

[deprave]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]"Then in 1968, on July 3rd we arrived in Brazoria County, Texas, and that has been our home since that day. Ron has delivered more than 4,000 babies, and we have been married for more than 50 years. We've raised a family of five children, and they have given us eighteen beautiful grandchildren, and one great-grandchild. We have friends all over the State of Texas as well as friends throughout the United States who believe in limited government. That in itself is a testimony to a great and humble man"[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]- Carol Paul (Ron Paul's Wife)[/FONT]
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"[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]So the American Dream came true for a boy who delivered newspapers, a teen-ager who mowed lawns, delivered milk, delivered furniture, delivered laundry, and delivered mail, and for a man who then delivered babies. Now that dream continues with a man who is trying to deliver the message that freedom works and that true patriotism must not grow weak in the hearts of Americans, so that we can hang on to our Republic, for which the Founders gave their last, full measure of devotion.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]" - Carol Paul (Ron Paul's Wife)
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[deprave]

RON PAUL UPDATE FOR TODAY 6/3/2011


Ron Paul's speech on the floor today about Libya: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary/clip.php?appid=600061455
[video=youtube;cptBMhhXsDI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cptBMhhXsDI[/video]

Ron Paul campaign comments on latest job numbers


LAKE JACKSON, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Today, a spokesman for Congressman Ron Paul’s 2012 Republican presidential campaign remarked on the most recent U.S. jobs report and the state of the American economy. See comments below.

“If the latest job numbers are any further indication, none of the centralized schemes deployed by Washington's elites are helping regular Americans. As a matter of fact, Barack Obama and the big government crowd are destroying our economy, and our dollar," said Jesse Benton, Paul campaign chairman.

“Despite the fact that none of the past nearly trillion-dollar economic stimuli have worked, all signs point to the Federal Reserve gearing up for another round of ‘quantitative easing’ – meaning more destruction of the already-weakened dollar. At the same time, we have an official Washington that refuses to acknowledge the looming fiscal crisis our country faces with regards to our debt and continues to spend with no end in sight," continued Benton.

“We are going to see real suffering in this country if we do not balance our budget and restore sound monetary policy. And we need to do it now.”

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Ron-Pa...07287.html?x=0





Ron Paul will be on "State of the Union" on Sunday-CNN also on Bloomberg's Political Capital


Rep. Ron Paul of Texas discusses fiscal policy and his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination

More... http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56236.html
http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal...ing-the-43.php


Almost up to the June 5th Ron Paul Money Bomb
We're now seeing the ramp-up to the 2012 Presidential race. Herman Cain has made headlines with surprisingly good showings in recent polls. Mitt Romney has secured $10M in pledges and is launching his high-profile Presidential announcement today. Sarah Palin has her own celebrity roadshow that is attracting massive media attention.

We need to send a bold response.

Let's rally around our choice for President in 2012 and show the nation who has the most passionate, most grassroots, most creative, and most non-Establishment supporters. Let's send a clear message to the GOP Electorate: Ron Paul is a true advocate of limited government, and that is why his supporters rally around him with such enthusiasm. Honestly, I've never admired a politician more than I admire Ron Paul. He has not only been consistent in his message, but more importantly, he's been RIGHT on everything from warning about the failure of our drug wars to the blowback-inducing foreign intervention to the dangerous inflationary bubbles of the 2000s.

There isn't a single candidate who is more consistent, more honest, and more visionary, than Ron Paul.

Let's put our doubts about the Campaign aside and support Ron Paul to the maximum this Sunday, June 5. We need to make this moneybomb bigger than the last one, and show that Ron Paul is a frontrunner in this race.

Let's go, folks. I'm in for my biggest donation I've ever made in my life.

We're in it to win it. Let's make it happen. Who's with me? Ronpaul2012.com


Ron Paul on National ID CARD

[video=youtube;6GgNfD0vu9c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GgNfD0vu9c&feature=player_embedded[/video]



Ron Paul on Bloomberg Today - Debt Ceiling
Video Link: http://www.bloomberg.com/video/70496358/

June 3 (Bloomberg) -- Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul talks with Bloomberg's Al Hunt about the U.S. debt ceiling, U.S. troop withdrawals from Afghanistan, Pakistan and Libya, and Federal Reserve monetary policy. Bloomberg's Rich Miller and Hans Nichols discuss the state of the U.S. economy and the Fed's quantitative easing program. Julie Davis talks about the debate over the debt ceiling and a documentary on Sarah Palin to premiere in Iowa next month. Commentators Margaret Carlson and Amity Shlaes discuss the outlook for former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney as a Republican presidential nominee. (Source: Bloomberg)

 

[NoDrama]

great NoDrama, here's another example why brain-less repetition of economic theory may make sense in classrooms and online forums, but let's take a close look at what you are saying...

you are saying that a way to lower admissions prices in colleges would be to devastate enrollment demand by making government mandated access to financing a thing of the past....

i mean, the numbers and graphs make sense...

but do you really want to use that manipulation of demand to make a point??

let's stop and think how great it would be for our economy if every college student taking government mandated (yet privately administered) student loans would stop receiving that aid, making college inaccessible for millions of students. millions left without finishing their college degrees, millions more on their way out of highschool who wouldn't get a chance to get an education so they need to get a job.... but with less education means less chance to find a job.....

so no job, no education for millions.... what to do with them??? make up fake wars so we can ship them off to die???????


the types of market corrections you say will take place would set this country so far back that by then college might as well be free by then....

You really believe that without college people can never achieve anything don't you? That without a degree they could never possibly be smart, or employable, because without a piece of paper saying you are smart enough to pass some tests you must be an idiot. Everyone knows that Bill Gates didn't ever graduate from college, neither did Michael Dell or Steven Spielberg. Andrew Jackson, ever heard of him? He didn't go to college. Know who else? John D Rockefeller, Henry Ford, Walt Disney, Abraham Lincoln and many others. Those people achieved great success without a degree.

75% of those people who graduate college this year are not going to find any kind of a job doing what they learned in College. College is a waste for most people, you graduate with a HUGE debt on your hands, and if you default then you can never get any kind of Federal Government services, no SS, no Disabilty, no medicare....Hell if you work in the public sector, you will not even be able to work with federal employees. If you were a nurse someone else would have to do your job when treating federal employees. Most of the kids graduating are going to go back to live with Mom and Dad for a few more years and do some low paying job that has nothing to do with their degree.

 

[Dan Kone]

college education is a waste for most people! If you don't go you'll be Bill Gates and Abraham Lincoln!

 

[deprave]

The average income goes up because of inflation, College doesn't necessarily mean you will get a job or make more money, the most important thing to get a job and make more money is experience and if your passionate enough about something you will get a job without the degree and make more then your coworkers with the degrees who aren't truly passionate and dedicated, College is fun and all, I learned a lot but I didn't learn much that was applicable to work, a lot of the people on that blue line are idiots if they dont make 60k+ they just suck at working.

It can help you get your foot in the door and you have more doors but thats about it, I never worked for a good company that took degrees seriously. The most successful people I know never went to college or only took some college, I know lots of people with masters from working at large companys that required a masters and it seems to me they make less money then most everyone.

 

[NoDrama]

If you go you will be guaranteed at least 51k a year!!!!

 

[redivider]

that is so far from the truth it is not even funny.

the correlation has been established, the more educated you are, the higher your salary is likely to be...

convincing people that getting a college education is a waste of money isn't trueee... another situation where political idiology drowns out the facts...

 

[deprave]

not political ideology its just my personal experience.

 

[Parker]

what smells like aspercreme?

your breath?

 

[deprave]

It depends what you do of course...if your going to work for corporate - government contracted jobs - or medical yes you absolutely need a degree, but these people are the ones who most often get the short end of the stick.

Sales & IT examples of high paying jobs that you don't need a degree to do well.

 

[Dan Kone]

not political ideology its just my personal experience.

Just like a republican to think an anecdote can counter all statistics.

 

[deprave]

cool, I'm not a republican - collectively, personnel experiences are more valuable then statistics, that is just common sense.

 

[Parker]

So you think if government stopped supplimenting college tuition the price would go down because demand to go to school would go down?
If that were true, which it's not,

You're talking out your ass. It is true, quit getting into discussing when you dont know what you are talking about.
Prices have risen dramatically SINCE the advent of the GOVERNMENT LOANS. How can you not know that? Do you know anything about simple supply and demand you jackass? Demand is not out stripping supply so why are prices going up? Because it's not a free market, because the universities know they will get whatever they ask. It's free money yet again. The same thing that fuels bubbles you asshat.

how the hell is having less Americans go to college a good thing? I guess the free market economic fans need more people to work in the sweatshops.

maybe in the land of the douchebags that's the only 2 choices. Thats the only choices college or sweatshops? I know plenty of people who've made it without ANY college so quit talking out your ass again.
Did it EVER occur to you there is a percentage of people who do get a degree don't use much that they learned. There is a ton more who don't finish who dont pay back the loan. College is so expensive studies have shown the average person, with planning, can make more money by not going to a 4 year college. The mountain of debt is mind boggling. It has to play on the individuals minds to see it.

But that's not true. The demand for college education hasn't been going down since prices have been going up. Also half of college tuition increases aren't do to inflation. I know it's convenient for you to blame everything on the FED but that's a simpletons answer. It's also bullshit. College tuition has been going up 4x faster than inflation.

because its"free money". Thats why people still go to school at those prices because they get the loans EASILY. If they couldn't get the loans the prices who drop in order to entice people back. You don't know squat about the basic principle of supply and demand yet you comment. STFU and quit talking out your ass.

 

[deprave]

Im like a smudge above the B in the pink section, sorry best pic i could find on google images. Which is approximately the exact opposite of most of our republican politicians.

 

[deprave]

Most of Congress both parties AKA 'Moderates':

Approximately the exact opposite of the people. Ron Paul is right up on the top half of this graph with us.


Ron Paul is running on Liberty, the rest of the candidates try to pretend that they are but they are down there on the bottom of this chart, away from the people, I really believe this is a humanitarian issue, if you support Ron Paul you are with the people, If you do not then you are against the people. It really is the "age of Ron Paul", right now we desperately need this to restore the republic. To narrow the gap between the people and the politicians. Ron Paul is the best solution to this crisis of both economic and personal freedoms.

 

[deprave]

Great video here, good production value, Ron Paul is optimistic

RON PAUL: How to Energize Your Republican Base



[video=youtube;S1TM9ionWl4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1TM9ionWl4[/video]

The time has come to give Peace a Chance! End the Wars! Restore the Republic! Defend Liberty! Ron Paul 2012!

A big problem in getting Ron Paul's name recognition up during the 2008 Presidential cycle was the consistent exclusion and derision he received. At this point, Ron Paul is polling consistently at the top of active contenders in all independent polling, is the top fundraiser, has won the most prominent straw polls, and has very high name recognition. These exclusions can no longer be characterized as mistakes but are an intentional bias.

Here Time fails to even make one mention of Ron Paul when summarizing the GOP field on 5/19
http://thepage.time.com/2011/05/19/the-big-questions-gop-12-after-trumphuckabee/
Yesterday Bill Oreily conveniently left Ron Paul out of his television segment with Dick Morris as documented here http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?295099-Bill-Oreilly-2-polls-scam!-spin!

The past few weeks have also seen an uptick of exclusion and slander.


Yahoo GOP Summary forgets Ron Paul
http://beta.news.yahoo.com/hoopla-hype-hover-over-unsettled-gop-field-211802337.html
Yet no Ron Paul. The commenters are aware of it. Why not the media?

CBS: displays how slant works

Here we get to see another example how subtle influence on a perpetual basis can sway opinion. Notice how CBS excludes Ron Paul from not only the main headline, but marginalizes his polling status in support of Cain throughout the Article. In case you missed it, Ron Paul polled 3rd in the Gallup poll and had strong support from the key matchup in the general election.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20066480-503544.html

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Ron Paul on Bloomberg Video(I linked this on the last page but it wasn't an embeddable video so here is the embed.
[video=youtube;En7cqNxLLtA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En7cqNxLLtA&feature=player_embedded[/video]

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[Carthoris]

Really? You think I can't comprehend the idea that if the price goes up on something the demand lowers? GTFO

The real problem here is your simpleton logic. You can't seem to grasp that college prices aren't necessarily based on demand. Their is a huge excess of people who would like to attend college.

And a huge excess of people who would like to live in a large castle with servants, be the president, or sleep with a supermodel. However, the laws of supply and demand make that unreasonable. Lots of people who don't have anything go on to do those things though. There is nothing keeping most people back from their dreams except lack of motivation.

By making more expensive all you're doing is making it less likely for smart kids without a lot of money to go and more likely that less qualified kids go to college because they are well off and can afford it.

Or as you say, they can take loans. Bigger loans. Putting college grads deeper into debt is a good idea in your opinion? I thought you guys were supposed to be against debt?

You are agreeing with me by those statements. Neither myself nor NoDrama are saying they should go further in debt, we are saying the opposite. We are saying that the Government giving out loans is an issue. Rather than the price coming down to what can be payed for schooling, we are just subsidizing the colleges by giving them money to make up the difference. Colleges are already giving the really smart and hardworking kids free college educations. They give football players, band members, ect ect ect free college because they want them to attend their schools. So the best kids and the kids with talents have a college education waiting regardless. The rich kids parents will put them through school.

Who does that leave? The average students who have grades good enough to go to college but don't have the money to. How are they going to go to college if they don't get free government money or loans from the government? They might have to go to a *GASP* community college. It might take them longer, they might have to live at home, or a ratty apartment near the school. They might have to work a job to put themselves through school. If they don't have the motivation to put themselves through school then they obviously didn't want to go that badly. All poor people have the opportunity to go to school if they have any motivation or intelligence.

I'm not sure why some people don't understand that the American dream is not to be equal, but to have the opportunity to reach your full potential. If everyone was equal it would mean you would be oppressing half the population.