Constitution.

Mr Neutron

Mr Neutron

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Dan Kone said:
lol. If something is in the constitution how can it be unconstitutional?
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The Patriot Act is not in the Constitution.
Forgive me, I was in error stating that the 16th Amnd was unconstitutional. It is not and has been ruled on. What is unconstitutional is the fraud perpetuated on Americans causing them to believe that the 16th Amnd says they have to pay taxes on their wages.
 
Mr Neutron

Mr Neutron

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Dan Kone said:
Hypothetically, do you think it's more important for government to obey the constitution over acting in the best interests of the people?
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Who is to say what is best for the people? You see, that is where we always get in trouble. The Constitution is not an opinion. It is THE law of the land. You are suggesting that the law should be circumvented to appease the masses. What you consider to be in the best interests of the people may not be what I consider in their best interests. All that doesn't matter, it's what the Constitution says.
Social Security started out with the best of intentions and look at the mess it's in. Federal bureaucracies and legislation started with the best of intentions but without testing its Constitutionality, always backfire and turn into avenues of oppression.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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deprave said:
no such thing
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Really? You think it's impossible for a situation to come up where the best interests of the people and the constitution contradict each other? I had no idea the founding fathers were omnipotent.

I'll ask again, hypothetically, do you think it's more important for government to obey the constitution over acting in the best interests of the people?
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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Mr Neutron said:
Forgive me, I was in error stating that the 16th Amnd was unconstitutional. It is not and has been ruled on. What is unconstitutional is the fraud perpetuated on Americans causing them to believe that the 16th Amnd says they have to pay taxes on their wages.
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It doesn't disallow wage taxes. I think you're confusing your own personal wishes with the actual text of the constitution.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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Mr Neutron said:
Who is to say what is best for the people? You see, that is where we always get in trouble. The Constitution is not an opinion. It is THE law of the land. You are suggesting that the law should be circumvented to appease the masses. What you consider to be in the best interests of the people may not be what I consider in their best interests. All that doesn't matter, it's what the Constitution says.
Social Security started out with the best of intentions and look at the mess it's in. Federal bureaucracies and legislation started with the best of intentions but without testing its Constitutionality, always backfire and turn into avenues of oppression.
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So it's your opinion the constitution is an infallible document that always protects the best interests of the people at all times?
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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Mr Neutron said:
Check the facts.
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The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
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ok. checked the facts. Wages are indeed taxable.

You are confusing what you think the constitution should say with what it actually says.
 
tryingtogrow89

tryingtogrow89

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Yep, our founding fathers would tell America to go fuck its self if they suddenly came alive.
We are now what they always opposed, in fact we are worse then what they fought against, we are under more tyranny now than they were then.\

This is what i typed to someone on another post:
Its hard to just begin with the current event of what is taking place not only in our country but also world wide.
It would go hand and hand with knowing history abroad and knowing how Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.
In America however our founding fathers were experienced with this lifestyle of banksters and tyranny and formed a republic that could never be taken over by the very thing they fought against for their lives, no need for a history lesson but the point is we have our constitution and bill of rights and declaration of independence that this country was founded on by those who opposed oppression. Periodic revolution, “at least once every 20 years,” was “a medicine necessary for the sound health of government.” - Thomas Jefferson
We have to fight against this fascist takeover it is what true blooded patriots are all about that's why we have the second amendment. Its not there for duck hunting as barry sotaro states its there first and far most for violent overthrow of a corrupted treasonous government. "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."- Thomas Jefferson
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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tryingtogrow89 said:
Yep, our founding fathers would tell America to go fuck its self if they suddenly came alive.
We are now what they always opposed, in fact we are worse then what they fought against, we are under more tyranny now than they were then
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lol? Really? Democratically elected government is more of a tyranny than rule by a foreign king?
 
tryingtogrow89

tryingtogrow89

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mame said:
I dont give a shit about social issues mostly. It was an example to highlight the obvious hypocrisy. I am fairly familiar with the Constitution, I do not know it word for word or anything of the sort - but I'm not ignorant on the subject.
See, this is what I mean. This is an opinion. It is not the opinion of the SCOTUS so it is an opinion that does not really matter. The majority of expert opinions believe Obamacare is constitutional; Assuming the SCOTUS agrees, you're going to have to get used to it. Sorry, champ.

Do you understand why supreme court judges are appointed and not elected? It's to ensure that they make the right decision while being shielded from the politicization of the voting process. Just think of all the rulings the SCOTUS has made protecting rights of minorities, etc etc that if subjected to the voting process would have good judges losing their jobs or worse yet - they deny rights for fear of losing their jobs. Now, I'm not saying the SCOTUS is perfect(I personally disagree with the Citizens united decision as well as the Patriot act) - but the founding fathers put the system in place thinking it was their best option, dont like it? Too bad IMO. It seems to be working good in most cases. You have a better solution?
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Yeah obamacare is constitutional my asshole, is that why 26 states have said they wont have anything to do with it?
I suppose barry sotaro is not treasonous with about everything he does cough "TSA" cough "Power Grab" but we also have state sovereignty thats why texas and utah are fighting TSA These are the precursors to the states vs the bankster corrupted treasonous federal government, in an all out great modern civil war.
 
tryingtogrow89

tryingtogrow89

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Dan Kone said:
lol? Really? Democratically elected government is more of a tyranny than rule by a foreign king?
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The banking elite are the red hot tyrants who are monarchies and dictatorships and its here in America now my friend, feathers of the same bird. I take it you don't know history? otherwise if you did you would have never needed to ask the question you would have had an answer already.
 
canndo

canndo

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Mr Neutron said:
The 16th Amendment and the Patriot Act, just to name two.
Ah, the SCOTUS... ALL HAIL THE SCOTUS... THE SCOTUS IS GOOD, THE SCOTUS IS WISE, THE SCOTUS IS ALL POWERFUL... ALL HAIL THE SCOTUS
BTW, our "rights" do not come from the Constitution, the Constitution was created to PROTECT our rights. These rights are natural or God given, however you prefer.
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Sounds great, and I espouse it as well but most rights only become evident at the interface of the individual and government. If that is so then those rights aren't really "God given" at all. Tell a bear that you have the "god given" right to life as he is gnawing on your head. Now we all have essentialy one true right - and that is the right to due process. Our life, liberty and property can be taken from us as many of us well know, so these is not the inalienable rights we are told they are. If the "right" to due process is the single true right, is that right granted us by God or by government?
 
UncleBuck

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tryingtogrow89 said:
Yep, our founding fathers would tell America to go fuck its self if they suddenly came alive.
We are now what they always opposed, in fact we are worse then what they fought against, we are under more tyranny now than they were then.
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says the guy who claims the president released two fraudulent birth certificates and that bin laden has been dead for 10 years.

if it wasn't for all this tyranny, i would get up and make a sandwich.

oh, wait. turns out the bankster elite exercises no control over me and i can go make a sandwich. i think i'll do that.
 
mame

mame

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tryingtogrow89 said:
Yeah obamacare is constitutional my asshole, is that why 26 states have said they wont have anything to do with it?
I suppose barry sotaro is not treasonous with about everything he does cough "TSA" cough "Power Grab" but we also have state sovereignty thats why texas and utah are fighting TSA These are the precursors to the states vs the bankster corrupted treasonous federal government, in an all out great modern civil war.
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Uhm, how many of those 26 states hold a Republican majority? This is political. You fell for it. nice job, champ.
 
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