Constitution.

tryingtogrow89

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well, that destroys your argument that everyone had equal opportunity in the times of our founding fathers, now doesn't it?

but, like you say, facts that don't fit one's worldview can be difficult to see.

oh yeah, Jefferson fucked his slaves. what a gentleman.
He had kids with her that he loved whats wrong with that?
Slaves where a big part history no matter how you look at it.
So i guess by your rationale Germans who turned a blind eye to Hitlers Germany even though they didnt agree were bad people? or even some of the Nazi's them selves who didn't agree with it, but because they were Nazi's they are all the same? sounds bias.
Sometimes its a matter of circumstance.
 

UncleBuck

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He had kids with her that he loved whats wrong with that?
Slaves where a big part history no matter how you look at it.
So i guess by your rationale Germans who turned a blind eye to Hitlers Germany even though they didnt agree were bad people? or even some of the Nazi's them selves who didn't agree with it, but because they were Nazi's they are all the same? sounds bias.
this is horrendous wording but i will take a stab at replying.

there is nothing wrong with jefferson loving his bastard children, but the point is that not everyone had equal opportunities like you claimed. in other words, you were wrong. completely wrong. 100% wrong. couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

and i do hold that germans that turned a blind eye were indeed bad people. there is an old saying along the lines of "all evil needs to succeed is for good people to do nothing to stop it".

then there is this one:

Martin Niemoller said:
First they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.


Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.


Then they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.


Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
being married to someone whose family died in the holocaust, i take these words very seriously and speak out when i hear people persecuting gays, or blacks, or mexicans, or muslims, or whoever the hate-du-jour happens to be.
 

tryingtogrow89

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this is horrendous wording but i will take a stab at replying.

there is nothing wrong with jefferson loving his bastard children, but the point is that not everyone had equal opportunities like you claimed. in other words, you were wrong. completely wrong. 100% wrong. couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

and i do hold that germans that turned a blind eye were indeed bad people. there is an old saying along the lines of "all evil needs to succeed is for good people to do nothing to stop it".

then there is this one:



being married to someone whose family died in the holocaust, i take these words very seriously and speak out when i hear people persecuting gays, or blacks, or mexicans, or muslims, or whoever the hate-du-jour happens to be.
I actually agree with what you had to say here, but one thing you must realize is people today are still in the mindset of, First they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.Then they came for the trade unionists,and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.This is why we need to take stand now before it gets to that point!
Trying to stay on topic here, people even today in that mind set of "as long as it doesn't affect me i don't care" mentality, doesn't necessarily mean they are bad people. There were Nazis who were honest people and only a Nazi because of the military industrial complex of Hitlers Germany. Love how just from what i typed you can draw the parallels between then and now.
Just like now. People join the military because their really inst anything else going for themselves and need a way to make a means. Doesn't mean they are bad people because they are directly working and taking orders from globalists banking elite.
I dont know why i must point this out to you its simple stuff.
 

UncleBuck

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Trying to stay on topic here, though for your rationale to jump and say that people even today in that mind set of "as long as it doesn't affect me i don't care" mentality doesn't necessarily mean they are bad people. There were Nazis who were honest people and only a Nazi because of the military industrial complex of Hitlers Germany.
and the second they started executing jews and retards without objection they became very bad people.

Love how just from what i typed you can draw the parallels between then and now.
sorry, i don't see much in common between nazi germany and modern day united states.

Just like now people join the military because their really inst anything else going for themselves and need a way to make a means. Doesn't mean they are bad people because they are directly working and taking orders from globalists banking elite.
are they also executing citizens of this country who hold unfavorable political views or happen to be of a certain religion?

I dont know why i must point this out to you its simple stuff.
the second they start rounding up people into ghettos and locking them in, you let me know.
 

tryingtogrow89

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and the second they started executing jews and retards without objection they became very bad people.



sorry, i don't see much in common between nazi germany and modern day united states.



are they also executing citizens of this country who hold unfavorable political views or happen to be of a certain religion?



the second they start rounding up people into ghettos and locking them in, you let me know.
By the time they are locking people up in FEMA camps. You'll already know, because you will already be there. In fact, You will voluntarily be among the first to go. :mrgreen:
 

UncleBuck

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By the time they are locking people up FEMA camps. You'll already know because you will already be there. In fact You will voluntarily be among the first to go. :mrgreen:
and here we go with the fema camp talk.

please, do tell me all about these fema camps. i'll go make some popcorn.
 

tryingtogrow89

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and here we go with the fema camp talk.

please, do tell me all about these fema camps. i'll go make some popcorn.
Look into it, i'm sick of telling facts that anyone can pull up for them selves.
Don't let me be the one to enlighten you, enlighten your self with the governments own documentation.
 

UncleBuck

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Look into it, i'm sick of telling facts that anyone can pull up for them selves.
are those the videos on youtube with eerie background music and alex jones asking a series of loaded questions while distorting facts?

i think i'll pass.

would you care to continue the conversation about how your claims are often completely wrong? like slaves having equal opportunity as slave owners? and how this in no way indicts your claims that you know more than everyone else?
 

tryingtogrow89

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are those the videos on youtube with eerie background music and alex jones asking a series of questions while distorting facts?

i think i'll pass.

would you care to continue the conversation about how your claims are often completely wrong? like slaves having equal opportunity as slave owners? and how this in no way indicts your claims that you know more than everyone else?
Don't let me be the one to enlighten you, enlighten your self with the governments own documentation.
Also, don't put words in my mouth, i know exactly what i have said.
 

tryingtogrow89

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sorry, i don't see much in common between nazi germany and modern day united states..
Ok, now im starting to think you are bored, and trolling it up.
I don't even know where to begin with this statement. This is why i have suspicion to believe you cant be serious. are you kidding me?
Your right. The stasi would be proud of how stealthy America is. We have bases through out the whole world over 150 countries. we have an endless military industrial complex budget, we have power grabbing all over i.e. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc. more to come. shall i keep going or is that enough?
Man if you are serious i'm at a lost for words, dumbfounded.
 

UncleBuck

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Don't let me be the one to enlighten you, enlighten your self with the governments own documentation.
Also, don't put words in my mouth, i know exactly what i have said.
i know exactly what you have said as well! you said...

...everyone had equal opportunity in the time of our founding fathers, and not a single individual had any more of a good start than anyone else.
which is nothing less than 100% FALSE!

and yet you are the "enlightened" one?

you don't think that such false beliefs on something so elementary indicts your conclusions on issues that are extremely complex?

do you not think the agency that manages emergencies on a federal level should prepare themselves to handle emergencies?

do you think it is better, in case of a hurricane, earthquake, or other natural disaster, to leave dead bodies rotting in the open air, thus exposing those who survived to gastroenteritis, hepatitis c, and tuberculosis? or would it be better to have a stockpile of coffins on hand to dispose of these bodies.

of course, according to you, it is probably the government who causes disasters like katrina.

did you know that i used to discuss these things with a person like yourself who claimed that the government would use haarp to cause an earthquake that would create a tsunami that would reach 60 miles inland over 3,000 foot mountains and that there were stickers on our mailboxes to mark our utility in the face of this? he also believed that the government used haarp to cause a precision tornado thousands of miles away to destroy joplin, mo.

there is no curing this degree of conspiracism. it is a disease at this point.

some degree of skepticism is healthy, and good. the degree to which you believe these conspiracies is not.
 

UncleBuck

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Ok, now im starting to think you are bored, and trolling it up.
I don't even know where to begin with this statement. This is why i have suspicion to believe you cant be serious. are you kidding me?
Your right. The stasi would be proud of how stealthy America is. We have bases through out the whole world over 150 countries. we have an endless military industrial complex budget, we have power grabbing all over i.e. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc. more to come. shall i keep going or is that enough?
Man if you are serious i'm at a lost for words, dumbfounded.
yes, because we are not rounding up and executing our own citizens based on religion or political view i must be a troll.

also, 'dreams of my father' is also just a rough rehashing of 'mein kampf'.

you are fucking GRAND.
 

tryingtogrow89

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yes, because we are not rounding up and executing our own citizens based on religion or political view i must be a troll.

also, 'dreams of my father' is also just a rough rehashing of 'mein kampf'.

you are fucking GRAND.
I like how you cant stay on topic, and cant directly answer how, in your opinion we are not anything like Nazi germany?
As if our government is perfect, and cant be corrupted, or become treasonous?
I do not know what fairy tale land you have been living in...
Things are not done today as they where in the 30's and 40's nono. Today is much more sophisticated and elaborate.
Why force upon people, what you can manipulate them to do, say, give up etc over time?
Last time i checked our army is for protective, defensive, purposes not power grabbing. and having bases in over 150 countries.
You need to wake up, and smell the coffee and crawl out of the rock you have been under.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
You need to wake up and smell the coffee and crawl out of the rock you have been under.
ah, i see.

because i do not believe in the same conspiracy theories that you do, i need to 'wake up' and am 'living under a rock'.

by any chance, do you happen to be a ron paul supporter?
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
I like how you cant stay on topic, and cant directly answer how, in your opinion we are not anything like Nazi germany?
i have already fucking told you many times.

in nazi germany, they rounded up their own citizens based on religion or political views and executed them. that does not happen here.

i am beginning to suspect that you may have a problem with reading comprehension, especially things that do not espouse a nefarious kabal or echo the sentiments found on infowars.com.
 

tryingtogrow89

Well-Known Member
i know exactly what you have said as well! you said...



which is nothing less than 100% FALSE!

and yet you are the "enlightened" one?

you don't think that such false beliefs on something so elementary indicts your conclusions on issues that are extremely complex?

do you not think the agency that manages emergencies on a federal level should prepare themselves to handle emergencies?

do you think it is better, in case of a hurricane, earthquake, or other natural disaster, to leave dead bodies rotting in the open air, thus exposing those who survived to gastroenteritis, hepatitis c, and tuberculosis? or would it be better to have a stockpile of coffins on hand to dispose of these bodies.

of course, according to you, it is probably the government who causes disasters like katrina.

did you know that i used to discuss these things with a person like yourself who claimed that the government would use haarp to cause an earthquake that would create a tsunami that would reach 60 miles inland over 3,000 foot mountains and that there were stickers on our mailboxes to mark our utility in the face of this? he also believed that the government used haarp to cause a precision tornado thousands of miles away to destroy joplin, mo.

there is no curing this degree of conspiracism. it is a disease at this point.

some degree of skepticism is healthy, and good. the degree to which you believe these conspiracies is not.
Listen, we have already gone over the whole slave bit, and now you are trying to bring that back up and cut and chop it to fit your goal in the conversation.
We already cleared that all up and i explained to you but i guess you forgot they say fish have a second memory. I hope im not talking to a fish.
Further more the ability to manipulate weather is real and it exists it was some of the first were by nikola tesla inventions. or is this a conspiracy too?
here is an article from 2007
The U.S. government routinely conducts experiments on weather modification, and has been doing so for at least half a century. Previously classified under such names as "Project Cirrus" (1947) and "Project Popeye" (1966), weather modification is no longer a secret practice. In fact, a bill (S517) was sponsored in 2005 by Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson, a Republican, "to establish the Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes." This bill did not become law. Yet, there is reason to believe that various government institutions are carrying out numerous legal and illegal weather experiments without informing the public.
This isn't just a suspicion of the United States. The Chinese government announced in April the creation of the first-ever artificial snowfall over the city of Nagqu in Tibet. The event was only one in a series of Chinese weather modification experiments that have been going on for years. China, in fact, now conducts more cloud seeding projects than any other nation.
Cloud seeding through the use of silver iodide was discovered as a viable way to make rain clouds in 1946. In 1947, the U.S. military attempted to use this method to seed a hurricane, which later hit the Georgia coast near Savannah. In the mid-1960s, similar techniques were used in hopes of muddying the Ho Chi Minh Trail in Vietnam. The idea was to slow enemy troop movements through the introduction of inclement weather, and conversely to prevent foul weather over allies.
But cloud seeding with silver iodide is an archaic technique compared with newer advances in nanotechnology and other methods for weather monitoring and control. Microelectric Mechanical Sensors (MEMS) and the newer Global Environmental MEMS Sensors (GEMS), are extremely tiny machines used to monitor weather patterns.
No larger than dust particles, the sensors are designed to be sent up inside hurricanes and other weather systems in large numbers, reporting back data as they literally become a part of those systems. This data can later be used to improve weather forecasting and potentially control the weather through a better understanding of the complex mathematics involved in such systems. One goal is to "steer" these systems, sending them to specific targets and increasing or decreasing their size.
Another extremely controversial participant in the weather modification game is the infamous HAARP antenna grid in Gakona, Alaska. HAARP, the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, is an enormous array of antennas inspired by the free energy experiments of 19th-century electrical playboy Nikola Tesla. Commencing sometime around 1990, HAARP was only recently declassified, and much of the current research there is said to take place in secret.
HAARP fires massive amounts of energy into the ionosphere, heating and distorting a section up to 30 miles in diameter. There are various strange and frightening claims made about the project. It may be capable of shifting the position of the jetstream, which could impact global weather in ways that we still do not understand well. Other claims about HAARP, such as that it is part of a massive government mind-control operation or that it forms the main component of a giant death ray, are difficult to verify. But these theories are not as implausible as one might think.
Even in the face of mountains of evidence, many people still believe that weather modification of any kind is only a fantasy. People must be aware that these technologies have been around for a long time, are indeed being used and have great potential for dangerous and unethical uses. Our planet's weather is part of a single interconnected system and any change to it, whether natural or not, affects every other element of that system. The organizations most interested in modifying this system appear to be applying their theories in incredibly irresponsible ways.

Oh yea, but you will come back and say its a conspiracy theory, as if that takes away the facts of the matter.
 

UncleBuck

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Listen, we have already gone over the whole slave bit, and now you are trying to bring that back up and cut and chop it to fit your goal in the conversation.
We already cleared that all up and i explained to you but i guess you forgot they say fish have a second memory. I hope im not talking to a fish.
Further more the ability to manipulate weather is real and it exists it was some of the first were by nikola tesla inventions. or is this a conspiracy too?
here is an article from 2007...
i fully admit that we have the ability to control the weather.

i do not believe that we can place a tornado thousands of miles away to destroy joplin, mo. nor do i believe that we can cause earthquakes off the oregon coast that sends a tsunami 60 miles inland over 3,000 foot mountains.

and oddly enough, i walked around my neighborhood looking for those stickers on mailboxes that he said denoted our utility for when this crisis would happen. didn't find a single one.
 

tryingtogrow89

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i have already fucking told you many times.

in nazi germany, they rounded up their own citizens based on religion or political views and executed them. that does not happen here.

i am beginning to suspect that you may have a problem with reading comprehension, especially things that do not espouse a nefarious kabal or echo the sentiments found on infowars.com.
Oh so i was suppose to accept your incredibly weak talking points? come on now you should know that wont work or satisfy. I explained to you, how you where wrong on your theory, that we are nothing like Nazi Germany.
 

UncleBuck

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Oh so i was suppose to accept your incredibly weak talking points? come on now you should know that wont work or satisfy. I explained to you, how you where wrong on your theory, that we are nothing like Nazi Germany.
this toaster can also cook an egg. conspiracy?

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this one can cook two eggs. probably a conspiracy.

toaster.jpg

also, slaves and slave owners were equal and the government will lock us all up in fema camps.
 

Dan Kone

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Oh yea, but you will come back and say its a conspiracy theory, as if that takes away the facts of the matter.
I must have missed the part where the US did something that's the equivalent of attempting to exterminate the Jews.

I'm pretty sure the main problem with the nazi's wasn't that they were meteorologists.
 
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