The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2

[londonfog]

Can't say Ron Paul is racist but his views on the Civil Rights vote of 64 can only lead to racism...Ron Paul feels that a business owner can deny someone into his/her business for what ever reason, so if I decide to not let any white/black people come in my businesses to wash clothes and only allow Mexicans its perfectly all right according to Ron Paul...and to those who say I would go out of business, you crazy...I can guarantee my business would still thrive with Mexican only for they would be happy to have a place where only they can wash...Heck maybe I can have one location Mexican only..the other Black only...and my third White only..according to Ron Pauls views I should be able to do that..

 

[budlover13]

Can't say Ron Paul is racist but his views on the Civil Rights vote of 64 can only lead to rascism...Ron Paul feels that a business owner can deny someone into his/her business for what ever reason, so if I decide to not let any white/black people come in my businesses to wash clothes and only allow Mexicans its perfectly all right according to Ron Paul...and to those who say I would go out of business, you crazy...I can guarantee my business would still thrive with Mexican only for they would be happy to have a place where only they can wash...Heck maybe I can have one location Mexican only..the other Black only...and my third White only..according to Ron Pauls views I should be able to do that..

i don't see anything wrong with being able to do that. If you were the ONLY business in town you may have a hard time staying open, unless you lived in a town like mine where about 75-80% of the town is Hispanic. But we see it in nature all the time, birds of a feather tend to flock together. Not saying it's right or wrong, but it's not my or anyone else's place to tell you what you can and can't do on your property with your business.

There are few public restrooms in town because the migrant population is used to Mexico's crappy plumbing that won't accept toilet paper quite often. So they have gotten used to wiping their ass and then dropping the paper on the floor beside the toilet. This is the explanation i have been repeatedly given. Do i blame a business owner who knows that this is going to happen for not wanting to have to clean it up? No. Do i think they should ban Mexicans? Only the ones making the mess. But either way, regardless of their reasoning i believe they have the right to control what happens on their property.

 

[londonfog]

i don't see anything wrong with being able to do that. If you were the ONLY business in town you may have a hard time staying open, unless you lived in a town like mine where about 75-80% of the town is Hispanic. But we see it in nature all the time, birds of a feather tend to flock together. Not saying it's right or wrong, but it's not my or anyone else's place to tell you what you can and can't do on your property with your business.

There are few public restrooms in town because the migrant population is used to Mexico's crappy plumbing that won't accept toilet paper quite often. So they have gotten used to wiping their ass and then dropping the paper on the floor beside the toilet. This is the explanation i have been repeatedly given. Do i blame a business owner who knows that this is going to happen for not wanting to have to clean it up? No. Do i think they should ban Mexicans? Only the ones making the mess. But either way, regardless of their reasoning i believe they have the right to control what happens on their property.

Well you probably think its cool to discriminate because its never happen to you, but lets imagine that you went to a place to eat and was told that you could not eat in said place because of your skin color..According to you and Paul that business owner would have the right to deny you service..WTF...To do business in this great country we call THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA you cannot deny service to someone just because they are white,black or fat as long as you are respecting said business you should be served..anything else is just wrong...What if you ran out of gas with your family in the car and the only gas station in a 25 mile area told you sorry we only serve Asians, you honestly telling me you would be cool with that..??? Sorry guy in this country your business will serve all or you should not have a business

 

[tryingtogrow89]

I am writing a modern dictionary, the word i am working on today is.
"conspiracy theory" or "Conspiracy Theorists" whichever:
so far i have.
"Conspiracy Theorists"
A name to label someone, or something who, "points out the tens of thousands of lies, cover ups and denials of both government, and media, also points to the inconsistencies, contradictions, and all out blatant lies ".
The name is typically given by someone, who, is generally a spectator, or are part of a mass population with the same lower frequency brainwave, who, to them these matters go unnoticed, and unrecognized, no matter how obvious, and or relevant the case, or specific situation, even with government documentation and proof. Denial, and pre-implemented thought (i.e. brainwashing,influencing,manipulated,deceived,corrupted,conned,fooled,bribery,racketeering,obstruction,extortion), is generally the thesis for this behavior pattern and psychological psychosis.
These behavior patterns and psychological psychosis, can also be tied to the way ,one will deny all facts if it does not fit into ones own world view, which increasingly, becomes a stronger, more dominant behavior/psychosis, the more this ritual is participated in by the participant.
(Example: Consider how, when the jet hit the twin towers, in the disaster of 9/11. Government claims they found the passport to one of the hijackers in the street below. When one with common since, and logic, would know, it is impossible for a piece paper to somehow fly out a burning, exploding, fire ball of a plane as it collides with the building, which in turn reduced the skyscraper to mere filth. Ones who would point at someone and plead, "Conspiracy Theory" at the common since aspect of this example, would beg to differ that somehow, it is indeed possible for a piece of paper, to fly through the fuselage of an exploding plane, through the fiery jet fuel explosion, then through the building and all the debris, to perfectly land down on the street below, unharmed in any way. Even though there is staggering evidence supporting that cannot, and will not happen, they continue to believe that it actually and factually did.)
"Conspiracy Theorists" or so they are labeled, just as anyone who gets labeled to try and discredit their reputation. When in fact it is just a stereotype, to rationalize ones ignorance. Or ones need to just feel important. Only to, in turn to look idiotic, and absolutely foolish as they go on spatting words like "conspiracy theorists".

 

[NoDrama]

If some business in town only served white people, I would boycott that business, in fact I would assume the majority of white folks would. hard to run a business with no customers.

 

[londonfog]

If some business in town only served white people, I would boycott that business, in fact I would assume the majority of white folks would. hard to run a business with no customers.

I understand what you saying, but I once again I can guarantee if I said started a Mexican Only wash I would still have my business...Hell I could say Mexican and Black and still have it...According to Paul I should be able to not let one white person in my laundromats..Now I would never do that..Its phuckin wrong and I would not like it done to me!!!! but Ron Paul says I could and should have the right to do so...CRAZYYY

 

[budlover13]

I understand what you saying, but I once again I can guarantee if I said started a Mexican Only wash I would still have my business...Hell I could say Mexican and Black and still have it...According to Paul I should be able to not let one white person in my laundromats..Now I would never do that..Its phuckin wrong and I would not like it done to me!!!! but Ron Paul says I could and should have the right to do so...CRAZYYY

And i agree with you. But i'm not going to force you to. Yes, i'd be ok with it if i ran out of gas and the owner of the only gas station refused to serve whites. Because i have never run out of gas. EVER. Why? Because i have enough personal responsibility to make sure i have enough gas to get where i'm going. Would i be happy? Not at all. Would i raise a stink? Maybe, to make it known to all and hopefully hurt his bottom line. But would i tell him he shouldn't have the RIGHT to do it? No.

 

[NoDrama]

Property rights, some people only think they are rights when they are the property owners, otherwise they believe it is their right to tell other people what they can and can't do with their own things.

 

[londonfog]

and some people will never understand BS unless it happens to them...to do business in this country you will serve all or you will not do business ( at least not to the general public )...

 

[londonfog]

And i agree with you. But i'm not going to force you to. Yes, i'd be ok with it if i ran out of gas and the owner of the only gas station refused to serve whites. Because i have never run out of gas. EVER. Why? Because i have enough personal responsibility to make sure i have enough gas to get where i'm going. Would i be happy? Not at all. Would i raise a stink? Maybe, to make it known to all and hopefully hurt his bottom line. But would i tell him he shouldn't have the RIGHT to do it? No.

Yeah I find the red part hard to believe...keep it real. maybe you will get your chance to really find out

 

[budlover13]

Look guys. i DO know what it's like to be discriminated against. Remember, i'm a very small minority in my home town here.

As for the gas station thing, like i said. i would be mad, offended, very vocal and the like. But he STILL has the right to do as he wishes.

Keeping it real, HERE.

 

[budlover13]

This poem was written by an older gentleman in response to the whole "You're going to lose your Social Security and Government Aid!" fearmongerers attacking Dr. Paul. I think it says it pretty well too.

Give me an Honest Man
By J. L. (Max) Brewster

...I don't want a charismatic President who can bring the crowd to tears
Saying that he shares our values and then destroys what we hold dear
I don't want a persuasive Congressman who can fight to get things done
Who goes against his principles just to tell the folks he's won
I don't want a powerful Senator who brings money to my state
Money paid by my own taxes and then tells the folks he's great
I don't want my Supreme Court judges ruling based on precedent
Ignoring our Founder's intention of what the Constitution really meant
I don't want our problems hidden by some journalist's master plan
All I want is just some truthfulness, give me an honest man

I don't want corrupt insiders chosen by power brokers
To run for elected office in a room full of cigar smokers
I don't want our business leaders to take unfair advantage
Helped by high priced lobbyists, over companies better managed
I don't want our hospitals and doctors being worried or afraid
Of opportunist malpractice lawyers whose only motive is to get paid
I don't want my children paying for my generations over spending
They will not be self reliant, on the government they'll be depending
I don't want all this corruption to spread throughout our land
Let's replace it with integrity, give me an honest man

I don't want to face the problems that threaten our way of life
But we haven't got a choice now, our nation is in strife
I don't want to lose the benefits my government promised me
Will I give them up? Yes, gladly, if my children can be free
I don't want to face my children but it is time they all knew
Its not just about the money, its about our freedom too
I don't want to face the future not knowing what it brings
We do not know the outcome, its to the truth that we must cling
I don't want us to worry because we all must take God's hand
The answer is quite simple, give me an honest man.

 

[deprave]

This just happened to be one of the new articles today, how convinient since we are kind of on this topic now.

Omg guees what not only does ron paul allow racisism in restaurants but hes a racist wominizer and has no idea how to run a restaurant, as evidenced by this headline in the New York Post: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/raising_glass_to_ron_pnQMYegNe82iIc7oNyuVPK

Raising a glass to Ron

Barkeeps hail 'no-tax' tips

By HELEN FREUND and TODD VENEZIA
Last Updated: 6:52 AM, June 6, 2011
Posted: 11:02 PM, June 5, 2011

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There's one congressman who will never have to pay for a drink in Manhattan.
Rep. Ron Paul, the libertarian-leaning Republican presidential candidate from Texas, has become an unlikely hero among bar and restaurant workers as he fights for a bill that would end all taxes on tips -- the bread and butter of bartenders and waiters.
Last Thursday, a group of Paul's Big Apple supporters, called the Ron Paul NYC Liberty HQ, held a Manhattan pub crawl in support of the legislation.
"It's just not right. That money is supposed to be a gratuity for [the workers], not for the government," said Dominic Inferrera, 38, a volunteer with the group.

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TIPPING POINT: Kristin Rocco, working at the Upper East Side's Wicker Park bar, is toasting Rep. Ron Paul's tip-tax ban.




"I worked as a server for 10 years, and I know how hard it can be," he said. "The sad thing is that a lot of the servers end up getting audited at the end of the year and usually work so hard that they don't have the time or financial resources to handle it."
Paul introduced the Tax Free Tips Act of 2011 in March. The measure would end all income tax, Social Security withholding and other federal levees on any tips earned by salaried workers.
"Unlike regular wages, a service-sector employee usually has no guarantee of, or legal right to, a tip," Paul said in 2009, when he introduced a similar bill.
"Instead, the amount of a tip usually depends on how well an employee satisfies a client. Since the amount of taxes one pays increases along with the size of tip, taxing tips punishes workers for doing a superior job."
As Liberty HQ members spread the word of Paul's proposal to bar workers around the city, they got enthusiastic support.
At the Wicker Park bar on 83rd and Third Avenue, bartender Kristin Rocco, 24, said, "People just don't understand what it's like to work for a living in the service industry."
"It's already a big blow to just receive a meager 15 to 20 percent tip for the amount of work we do."
At nearby Dylan Murphy's, bartender Gavin Ward said he was a Paul backer. "I like the sound of this bill -- I hope it passes," he said. "I don't mind paying my taxes like every other citizen, but the way we servers and bartenders have to do it -- on an already meager wage -- well, it's just no good."
Unfortunately for the bar workers, the bill doesn't have a good track record. Similar measures Paul sponsored in 2007 and 2009 failed to pass.

omg ron paul is the anti-christ and prolly also a racist who will sell us to china look at that demon giving waitresses money!






Tell you what guys lets get real for a second here - haven't you guys ever seen the sign that says "We have the right to refuse service to anyone we desire"? (or w/e -----Yea its on every business you go to that serves the public --- and they do throw people out all the time, and they will call the cops sometimes and the cops will throw them out. Its 2011 - there will not be signs that say 'no negros allowed' give it a rest.

 

[UncleBuck]

Its 2011 - there will not be signs that say 'no negros allowed' give it a rest.

no one ever said that would happen.

if ron paul's stance was the one taken in 1964, however, that reality would still exist.

they did just fine with those signs in their windows. you can try to deny that little piece of empirical evidence, but it won't make it go away.

watching you guys struggle with this fact is highly amusing.

 

[tryingtogrow89]

no one ever said that would happen.

if ron paul's stance was the one taken in 1964, however, that reality would still exist.

they did just fine with those signs in their windows. you can try to deny that little piece of empirical evidence, but it won't make it go away.

watching you guys struggle with this fact is highly amusing.

Do you ever read what you just posted?. Pure insanity!

 

[deprave]

you saying you wouldn't give that girl a tip is that what your saying?

 

[Carthoris]

no one ever said that would happen.

if ron paul's stance was the one taken in 1964, however, that reality would still exist.

they did just fine with those signs in their windows. you can try to deny that little piece of empirical evidence, but it won't make it go away.

watching you guys struggle with this fact is highly amusing.

"Evil businesses are trying to steal all your money" or "Businesses will not serve minorities" Which is it - you cant steal all the money and not serve people at the same time.

You have either never run a business or you live in 1960s. Fuck, lets go ahead and live in Roman times then. Christians are being eaten by lions and crucified! We need laws against crucifixion! OMG, the poor christians. DOWN WITH ADOLF HITLER.

Obviously you need to get a grip on reality.

I, myself, feel for my black brethen. I too, am too beaucoup. I would hate to be turned down for my obvious disability.

[video=youtube;K6Ep1nmwWU0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6Ep1nmwWU0&feature=player_detailpage#t=77s[/video]

 

[deprave]

Realistic scenarios:

Scenario 1
if someone put up such a sign it would just go unnoticed and people would ignore and go in anyway and '10$ an hour' Will say 'How can I help you?'
Some people will notice it and laugh, Till one day an old lady notices it and she will speed dial the local local news on her cellphone while taking pictures with her phone and the business would get shut down and/or lose business and/or burnt to the ground and/or robbed, or sued and go bankrupt.

Scenario 2
Ok sure say this happens in the deep south, middle of Alabama racist central town full of white racist....Well what happens when an out of towner who is white stops in and takes a picture of the sign and basically snitches...lawsuits follow...

Scenario 3
what happens when grandma puts her newly crafted racist sign on facebook to show her friends.....

 

[Carthoris]

Can't say Ron Paul is racist but his views on the Civil Rights vote of 64 can only lead to racism...Ron Paul feels that a business owner can deny someone into his/her business for what ever reason, so if I decide to not let any white/black people come in my businesses to wash clothes and only allow Mexicans its perfectly all right according to Ron Paul...and to those who say I would go out of business, you crazy...I can guarantee my business would still thrive with Mexican only for they would be happy to have a place where only they can wash...Heck maybe I can have one location Mexican only..the other Black only...and my third White only..according to Ron Pauls views I should be able to do that..

I like you more and more as time goes on, London. Maybe even a little respect!

I understand not wanting people to be excluded, but we shouldn't try to legislate morality. A business is private property. You can have whoever you want thrown out for whatever reason you want - you don't even have to give a reason. It is your property. If you make a law like that for private property used for business, how long before that law is applied to your personal life? Should you be forced to employ a gardener you don't like or buy from a store owned by someone you don't like? If I spend money that I worked for to open a business - it is my business.

Obviously excluding people is wrong. I don't think a business owner who owns his property should be treated differently than a home owner. If I own a bar, should I suffer people who make me uncomfortable or unhappy for whatever reason if I don't want to? Granted, someone would have to be a real piece of shit for me not to want their money, but if someone just made me feel uncomfortable, should I be made to suffer their presence? I mean, it is my place, after all.

The civils rights laws don't stop this in any small business as they are excluded from it for the most part, aren't they? Large businesses, the ones who actually have a law to obey, would never deny businesses to anyone due to lust for profit. The laws do nothing but cause resentment from the majority and really show very little benefit, if any. Not to mention the federal government does not have the right to dictate morality.

 

[UncleBuck]

Do you ever read what you just posted?. Pure insanity!

i believe i posted that before civil rights were implemented, businesses that were supposedly "open to the public" had signs in the windows disallowing blacks from entering, yet had no problem staying in business.

do you dispute this historical fact?