Led Growing Is The Way Of The Future My Friends

eDude

eDude

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about the 'cooling' or saving on AC.. well one the first things that people notice is that LED's run cooler.. but in the winter or if you're a cool area it gets too cold.. everything slows down to a crawl.. you know how on a sunny day you'll turn and face the sun and feel it's warmth and it feels good.. well you just took that away. A lot of people find that they need a heater.. there goes your power savings..
 
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jdizzle22

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Yeah people are forgetting that you are going to buy replacement bulbs, possibly replacement ballasts, you are going to need heavy duty cooling fans or extractor fans to take care of all the heat from the HID and possibly their ballasts, then there might be air conditioning on top of all that. I'd say even an all 3w diode panel makes 75% less heat than HPS watt for watt (maybe even less if 1000w bulbs produce more heat watt for watt than 400 or 600). And yeah its true that some people might not be able to go with LED in the winter because they need the heat of HID and that is fine, that is one of the possible cons that one must consider. To me it is fine because my computer can easily heat my room in the winter on its own :P Really I should have only gotten a 290w for $700 instead of a $395 for $1100, but I just wasn't sure at the time if it would be enough light (and it was certainly way more than enough at 62w per square foot I should have settled for ~35).

Again big grows in Cali aren't going LED much yet because they don't know who makes the best LEDs, which have only been available for perhaps a year and a half. And with the danger of the DEA coming at you anytime people are not going to be as willing to make the high initial investment into LED (even if it will save them tons in the long run or grow a better product) on a large official/legal level if they might have their operation shut down in the first couple years. That is why all the LED potential is being proven in forums like these and over the next couple years more and more people will adopt. There are a couple warehouse LED grows in Cali I've seen on youtube, but they were using 1w diode stuff I think kinda old tech and they were doing pretty good. LED tech is advancing very rapidly each year, it can grow way better now than a year ago.

Yeah I don't know much about the potential of exotic lighting so I won't say how LED compares to them. But if they are better than HPS then there is a fair chance they are better than LED. I believe I've seen LED that grows higher quality bud than MH/HPS, but I have no idea how it compares to that exotic lighting plasma crazy new stuff coming out.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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The Plasma lighting is full daylight spectrum and basically has all the advantage of LED and HPS in one. Infact you can get one with 250w of LED's built in to it just to make sure you're getting maximum light coverage for the area covered (and its only like $300-400 extra, strange that 250w LED panel costs like $1000).

The problem with LED lighting as has been said before is its just not good enough, and probably wont ever get good enough with the other (more rapidly) advancing better technologies nearly available to us.

They can grow weed, but VERY few people have managed to do as well as they definately could have with HPS and for the price they charge, its a scam dude, simple as that. The issue here isnt whether the LED's can grow or not, its if they can grow well enough consistantly to justify their sky-boy pricetag, and sadly they just cant.
 
IAm5toned

IAm5toned

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jdizzle22 said:
Yeah people are forgetting that you are going to buy replacement bulbs, possibly replacement ballasts, you are going to need heavy duty cooling fans or extractor fans to take care of all the heat from the HID and possibly their ballasts, then there might be air conditioning on top of all that. I'd say even an all 3w diode panel makes 75% less heat than HPS watt for watt (maybe even less if 1000w bulbs produce more heat watt for watt than 400 or 600). And yeah its true that some people might not be able to go with LED in the winter because they need the heat of HID and that is fine, that is one of the possible cons that one must consider. To me it is fine because my computer can easily heat my room in the winter on its own :P Really I should have only gotten a 290w for $700 instead of a $395 for $1100, but I just wasn't sure at the time if it would be enough light (and it was certainly way more than enough at 62w per square foot I should have settled for ~35).

Again big grows in Cali aren't going LED much yet because they don't know who makes the best LEDs, which have only been available for perhaps a year and a half. And with the danger of the DEA coming at you anytime people are not going to be as willing to make the high initial investment into LED (even if it will save them tons in the long run or grow a better product) on a large official/legal level if they might have their operation shut down in the first couple years. That is why all the LED potential is being proven in forums like these and over the next couple years more and more people will adopt. There are a couple warehouse LED grows in Cali I've seen on youtube, but they were using 1w diode stuff I think kinda old tech and they were doing pretty good. LED tech is advancing very rapidly each year, it can grow way better now than a year ago.

Yeah I don't know much about the potential of exotic lighting so I won't say how LED compares to them. But if they are better than HPS then there is a fair chance they are better than LED. I believe I've seen LED that grows higher quality bud than MH/HPS, but I have no idea how it compares to that exotic lighting plasma crazy new stuff coming out.
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i know alot about so called 'exoctic' lighting... as a matter of fact i carry factory certs from lithonia, phillips/.advace, GE lighting, and a few others!
plasmas are nice, but no market for them so no one is manufacturing them for the general public. there are some small 'branded' companies out there repackaging a LG plasma system as there own and selling it to nat'l account customers like large retail stores and gas stations, as site lighting. less maintenance than HID, is exactly why.
ive had mag ballasts, running on 12/12, for almost a decade now, continuous operation, only time there down is to change lamps or reconfigure the op.

show me an led array that has that reliability.
hell show me a digital ballast that does...

induction lamps, as i stated before, are simply high output floro tubes running off an induction coil... nothing fancy there, the concept has been around since tesla's time. call an induction lamp a fancy cfl and your gettin back on track.

when it comes to usuable PAR per cost per watt of generation, its hard to beat HID.
and as far as HID goes, CMH is where its at... HPS will you give u faster harvests, but CMH will blow it out of the water when it comes to potency/final product.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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jdizzle22 said:
Yeah people are forgetting that you are going to buy replacement bulbs, possibly replacement ballasts, you are going to need heavy duty cooling fans or extractor fans to take care of all the heat from the HID and possibly their ballasts, then there might be air conditioning on top of all that.
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No people are forgetting that with a 1000w HPS you can pretty easily get a pound out of a 4x4 trey and a pound is very expensive. Unless I'm mistaken you can not do that with any LED.

The production cost using HPS vs LED is irreverent when compared with the value of your yield. An LED can't fuck with a thowie when it comes to G's per sq ft.
 
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jdubman

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Dan Kone said:
No people are forgetting that with a 1000w HPS you can pretty easily get a pound out of a 4x4 trey and a pound is very expensive. Unless I'm mistaken you can not do that with any LED.

The production cost using HPS vs LED is irreverent when compared with the value of your yield. An LED can't fuck with a thowie when it comes to G's per sq ft.
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Best case scenario you can get a gram per watt.... That's 2 lbs per 1k.

Dub
 
newworldicon

newworldicon

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Well I hope in the future we can develop growing lights that do not have all the inherent gas guzzling traits that HID has...
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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jdubman said:
Best case scenario you can get a gram per watt.... That's 2 lbs per 1k.

Dub
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Just keep in mind that Grams per watt isn't the deciding factor when considering if bud is worth growing. It's Grams per sq ft.

Also factoring in is how good of bud are you going to grow with an LED? Is it going to be fluff instead of nice dense nugs. I've grown with LED's (3w bulbs, deep red spectrum, all that good stuff). While I did get a superior yield in terms of grams per watt, I got a far far inferior yield in terms of grams per sq foot as well as bud density.

I think I was getting 3x the yield per sq ft with HPS's over LED's and with LED's I got smaller, less dense nugs. I'd much rather have way more bud with bigger denser nugs rather than a lower electricity bill. What it comes down to is that growing with an HPS is still so profitable that it negates the cost benefit of LED's. Unless you have infinite space it's still more cost effective to grow with HPS's due to the value of the bud.

Grams per watt isn't the only variable to consider when deciding types of lighting.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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newworldicon said:
Well I hope in the future we can develop growing lights that do not have all the inherent gas guzzling traits that HID has...
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I think we will eventually. There is a market for it. I've got no problem throwing down money for an LED if it's effective as an HPS. We just aren't there yet. But since there are people willing to buy this product, it will be developed.
 
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jdubman

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Dan Kone said:
Just keep in mind that Grams per watt isn't the deciding factor when considering if bud is worth growing. It's Grams per sq ft.

Also factoring in is how good of bud are you going to grow with an LED? Is it going to be fluff instead of nice dense nugs. I've grown with LED's (3w bulbs, deep red spectrum, all that good stuff). While I did get a superior yield in terms of grams per watt, I got a far far inferior yield in terms of grams per sq foot as well as bud density.

I think I was getting 3x the yield per sq ft with HPS's over LED's and with LED's I got smaller, less dense nugs. I'd much rather have way more bud with bigger denser nugs rather than a lower electricity bill. What it comes down to is that growing with an HPS is still so profitable that it negates the cost benefit of LED's. Unless you have infinite space it's still more cost effective to grow with HPS's due to the value of the bud.

Grams per watt isn't the only variable to consider when deciding types of lighting.
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No dude, best case scenario, doesn't matter how many square feet you grow in. 1 gram per watt is the best you can do. That's been known for years....... That typically involves Co2

Dub
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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jdubman said:
No dude, best case scenario, doesn't matter how many square feet you grow in. 1 gram per watt is the best you can do. That's been known for years....... That typically involves Co2

Dub
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I see you missed the point entirely. Ok then.
 
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jdubman

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Dan Kone said:
I see you missed the point entirely. Ok then.
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No I didn't, you missed my point. If you throw up a 1k and grow in a 3x3 space it isn't a efficient use of the light.
If you use the light accordinly to the correct size space the max you can get is a gram per watt. No reason to discuss square feet.

Dub
 
xXOnyxXx

xXOnyxXx

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dam Jdub you're pushin' like ya own a LED company .... LED or HID use what ya can, to make best use of your space. if a grower wants to run a certain type of lighting then its his choice, aint no one gonna run their ass's out and buy a LED cause ya think its best. it is gonna take a major amount of people getting huge result with LED's on a consistent, regular basis for the hard core HID guys to switch.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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jdubman said:
No I didn't, you missed my point. If you throw up a 1k and grow in a 3x3 space it isn't a efficient use of the light.
If you use the light accordinly to the correct size space the max you can get is a gram per watt. No reason to discuss square feet.

Dub
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1k hps covers a 4x4 trey just fine. It's not hard to yield 1.5lbs with that. That's not even a G per watt. Is there an LED you can use to yield more over that space? As far as I'm aware, the answer is no.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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Well I have limited space for now (about 7 sq feet) and it'd be a TOTAL waste to put an LED in there when I can throw in a 600w HPS and keep it cool with just a 7 inch desktop fan and a 5 inch extractor with carbon filter (77degrees). I also know for a fact Id have to spend MASSIVE money to even manage to equal the 600w HPS and Im pretty sure Id have to make everything PERFECT with the LED to even match a sloppy grow with a HPS.

Maybe the LED's are for younger growers so they dont burn themselves? ;)
 
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