Padawanbater2
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Do you need one to have the other? Why/why not?
Love/Hate
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karri0n
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It seems to me that they are two "ends" of a circular spectrum, separated by a dividing line that is easily crossed. It's very easy to fall into hatred of the ones we love, where we would never feel so strongly against someone we normally felt indifference towards. Love, hate, anger, and lust are all tied in very strongly with passion. I don't think it's possible to have passion without all that comes with it, and I don't think it's possible to have love or hate without passion.
BendBrewer
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No, one needs apathy to have either.
ChronicObsession
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Seems to me that hate is learned through an experience we call "rejection". I think that as babes coming out of the "love tunnel", from day one the only thing we know about is wanting love from our Mommy. As time goes by and the little child is subjected to a variance of emotions, he has the chance to develop his personality around the love that he gets from his family and what not. Suppose little boy feels rejected then, uh oh, the opportunity for "hate" to take hold begins to grow. And more and more as the little boy grows up if he is exposed to constant douchebaggery and rejection and hate, he's gonna grow up to be a little Hitler 
Our children are our most valuable assett. It makes me sad and a little frusterated when I see young boys with their parents, acting like little monsters and shit. Makes me think what that little monster is going to produce later on in life.... PEACE!
Our children are our most valuable assett. It makes me sad and a little frusterated when I see young boys with their parents, acting like little monsters and shit. Makes me think what that little monster is going to produce later on in life.... PEACE!Fadedflower
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You don't need hate to have love, imo. You need love to have peace, hate breeds violence.
euthanatos93420
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Yeah I love Iron Maiden too but the truth is that love is not the opposite of hate, it's the same. Anger and lust are emotions. Love and hate are not because if you have them then you have them even after the hormones are metabolized.
Brazko
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I'm confused with your logic of emotions. Could you please clarify what you are stating above?
euthanatos93420
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Love and hate are how you treat people.
Brazko
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Love and Hate are emotional reactions towards a person, place, or thing. The only thing they share in outright commonality is that they both stress the body. You are correct in that hate is not the opposite of love. Fear is. The normal state of the body is happiness that is exemplified through the peace of stillness/rest. Any other emotional state is stress, rather it is perceived as good or bad, however, this does not mean one should be without emotions.
euthanatos93420
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No. You're wrong. Love and hate are not emotions. Let me put it into a story format that uses a relationship as an example. Once, I was angry with a close friend for letting me down big time. I love the guyh though because I've known him for so long and we've got that and other things in common that make the friendship work. Anger is an emotional reaction and he sure got his due. I never hated him. I always loved him. There is some fear involved in trusting him again, however. Regardless of past credits I would still trust him but now less and in the spirit of regaining that trust and using love to slide the gradient that removes fear.
It's about how you treat someone. The love has nothing to do with the hormonal responses in my brain. In fact, it is entirely in spite of those hormonal responses of anger that I love. If you're looking for a reason for love, well, that's a personal thing that's unique to each and every relationship. Uncondinitional love is not a pure lack of fear and unwarranted trust. Love is the willingness to cultivate trust by re-initiating exchange after whatever tragic event brought fear into the picture.
When there is more fear, there is less ability to show love without unwarrented concessions (think high risk investments). Love is not a reason it is an act itself that exists for a reason.
Does that make sense? I mean, if I didn't love him I wouldn't bother.
It's about how you treat someone. The love has nothing to do with the hormonal responses in my brain. In fact, it is entirely in spite of those hormonal responses of anger that I love. If you're looking for a reason for love, well, that's a personal thing that's unique to each and every relationship. Uncondinitional love is not a pure lack of fear and unwarranted trust. Love is the willingness to cultivate trust by re-initiating exchange after whatever tragic event brought fear into the picture.
When there is more fear, there is less ability to show love without unwarrented concessions (think high risk investments). Love is not a reason it is an act itself that exists for a reason.
Does that make sense? I mean, if I didn't love him I wouldn't bother.
Fadedflower
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Love is a state of being. If your love is pure, it illuminates the darkest moments. Love over comes fear, and anger and it's radiance shines bright and true.
euthanatos93420
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Another misconception I see people use is confusing feelings and emotions. Feelings are just that, sensory input. Emotions on the other hand are hormonal alterations of the nuerochemical balances, likely in response to a feeling. Feel threatened? Emotional reaction: Adrenaline. Feel love: Emotional Reaction: Seratonin & Dopamine.
It's a lot like drugs. Which is the reason tptw are waging a war on drugs. Using drugs would allow us to take the reigns to our own cognitive development that would be able to be to used to find balance. Under systematic extortion, abuse, and theft (AKA 'prohibition') The ability to disconnect relationships between people, families, friends, etc. The cost and fear injected into the situation that permeates our everyday lives sow distrust amongst even those who love.
Furthermore lies and propaganda do more than just serve as an excuse for prohibition. They restrict access to real and true information. Without the information that is necessary to properly use drugs to restore balance an individual must make his own studies and mistakes to figure out what something is and how to use it. These mistakes combined with false information lead to the blatant cognitive dissonance that is addiction. This is exactly what tptw seek. Authority by dictating information. AKA Mind Control (Govern-Mente).
It's a lot like drugs. Which is the reason tptw are waging a war on drugs. Using drugs would allow us to take the reigns to our own cognitive development that would be able to be to used to find balance. Under systematic extortion, abuse, and theft (AKA 'prohibition') The ability to disconnect relationships between people, families, friends, etc. The cost and fear injected into the situation that permeates our everyday lives sow distrust amongst even those who love.
Furthermore lies and propaganda do more than just serve as an excuse for prohibition. They restrict access to real and true information. Without the information that is necessary to properly use drugs to restore balance an individual must make his own studies and mistakes to figure out what something is and how to use it. These mistakes combined with false information lead to the blatant cognitive dissonance that is addiction. This is exactly what tptw seek. Authority by dictating information. AKA Mind Control (Govern-Mente).
euthanatos93420
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Clever, abstract, inspiring, but not very informative. Like one of those 'motivational posters' in a corporate rat maze.
Fadedflower
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Leo works to breed fear and distrust in society in general, to in particularly to those of use who are more enlightened and wish to fully explore our subconcious thoughts and fewlings through the use of drugs that are not truly drugs at all. But a beautiful part of nature. We were gifted with marijuana, mushrooms, peyote, and many other wonderful, plants to help guide our spiritual selves. This suppression of spirit will lead one day, to revolt.
euthanatos93420
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Those who seek security through fear will find themselves frightened and insecure.
Brazko
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No it doesn't and by your own omission it doesn't.
I tried following your story and I understood it for what it was worth but I can simply say that you share an emotional statehood towards your friend that overrides the temporary shift of felt emotions towards him at the time.
See if you can follow me: Anger is caused when someone cuts you off in traffic. Now 5mins later you are still steamed about the person that cut you off in traffic. You go home and tell your wife about it, you go to work and tell your co-workers about it. You dwell on the fact of someone cutting you off for so long it becomes a held emotion placing your body in a stressed emotional state. Now your view of when someone cuts you off in traffick is instant anger spun into hatred, because now you hate when someone cuts you off in traffick.
You love your friend because he provides a shared emotional relationship with you that brings you the feeling of love. Then whenever the shared emotional relationship you have with him is broken, you respond with anger because he has failed to sustain the needs of that emotional relationship you have placed on him. However, it may be insignificant to him that whatever action he took would disrupt that relationship. You only became angered because he didn't continue to supply you your needed drug supply. No matter how long sustained into your being, held emotions are just that.... held emotions.
It's one thing to love/hate something, and another to display kindness/hostility towards something. The way to treat a person/something is with kindness, love has nothing to do with it. I also mentioned that the goal is not to be without emotion. The goal is being able to detach from it. The only thing you are describing is feelings of attachment.
euthanatos93420
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It took me a long time to come around to the point that I was willing and able to try to trust him again. Doing so was an act of love, it was a sacrifice. It was not based on feelings. It was based on thinking about it critically and discussing it with other people I trust to achieve the most comprehensive awareness within my means to make that decision. It is based on values. One of the fundamental values when accept the true nature of consciousness, reality and the experience is that the longer you have known someone, the more valuable the relationship becomes by proxy of your personal awareness of the individual in question and time being the most valuable resource to consciousness.
Emotions are emotions. Logic is logic. There is no line between them and it is a nuerobiological grayscale just like love itself. But love has nothing to do with reason. It has everything to do with action.
Emotions are emotions. Logic is logic. There is no line between them and it is a nuerobiological grayscale just like love itself. But love has nothing to do with reason. It has everything to do with action.
Shannon Alexander
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Do you mean love has nothing to do with your judgement on an issue?
Brazko
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It had everything to do with your feelings. Its the reason you took the action you did with consulting others because of what you were disposed to feeling and you sought reason to reconcile so you can continue with those feelings. You have already shown how love turns to hate so easily. If it was somebody you had feelings of hate towards, any kindness they showed towards you would be thrawted by yourself seeking reason to continue your dislike of them.
I don't see why you find this so hard to understand. Ahhh, It must be love
I don't see why you find this so hard to understand. Ahhh, It must be love
Fadedflower
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All things are about love. The passionate love you feel for your soulmate, the sisterly(or brotherly) love you feel for a friend, the deep devotion and commitment you feel for your spiritual guide, love of nature and all living things. The more love you send out, the morethat is returned to you. This is the true secret of life. It is unfortunate that so many people choose to embrace hatred and violence, instead of love and peace.