Grow closet size to plant ratio for 2 white widow org. Strain , & 1 ak-48
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, the dimensions are 2 x 3.5 x 5.9 
LBH
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Whats org strain?
You're going to need a lot more lights than that dude. A lot.
Gen rule: 100w first plant, 50w each additional plant sharing the space and DOUBLE that for cfls. This is a bare minimum. Also, when evaluating cfl watts, it's the actual wattage, not the "compared to" wattage
You're going to need a lot more lights than that dude. A lot.
Gen rule: 100w first plant, 50w each additional plant sharing the space and DOUBLE that for cfls. This is a bare minimum. Also, when evaluating cfl watts, it's the actual wattage, not the "compared to" wattage
0calli
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trsut me dude ive got alot more im just leaving them out for vegging space and they are growing like crazy so im doing something right but i plan on having pretty much a ful 360 deg lighting situation all around and on top when im done there will be 6 cfls 2 tubed 4ft going all around and 3 3 ft 2 tubed on top and all miy cfls are done in mylar and i cant forget my new led bulbs pushing out 6500k
LBH
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The white widow available isn't the original strain. That's called black widow and it's owned by Shnatibabba, can be bought over on Mr Nice when it's available. The name "white Widow" was trademarked by greenhouse seed when shanti worked there. When they split up, greenhouse wouldnt let Shanti, the CREATOR of WW, keep the name so he took the parents and left. What you get from them now IS NOT true white widow. History 101,lol
You have weed that likes 80-85 better than 70-75, that's a first for me.
CFL's when used at the level needed to produce anything decent, will throw more heat than the comparable hps FWIW
0calli
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i know more than u figure and weed strains grow all over the world so duhhh of course there are strains that like it cooler and some hotter and some hore humidy so thats not histrory 101 but its common sense and you need to brush up on your cfl and flourescent education the new stuff the new stuff they have now is incredible and not to mention true red and true blue spectrums in flourescent tubes here just read this for your education ...............i know more than u think
It’s a Fact:
Plants just use RED and BLUE Light for Photosynthesis. Producing the other colors is a Waste! Any common encyclopedia will tell you this.
Use mainly blue bulbs in early growth phases and then switch to red for blooming. You get the exact light your plants need! That’s why our fixture gives you 3 real red and 3 real blue bulbs.
Keep your electric bill low. This fixture uses just a fraction of the Energy of hot running HID lights.
These are the Best Grow and Bloom Bulbs. Most common “grow” (cool) or “bloom”(warm) bulbs actually make about 2/3rds green light, which is reflected back by the plants. Our fixture delivers the real thing! Our fixture gives you 3 real red and 3 real blue bulbs. (The red bulbs actually do have a smidgen of blue light to keep plants growing)
These are Poor Man’s LEDs
When it comes to grow lights, it’s hard to beat the efficiency and raw power of today’s electronic fluorescent. The latest rage in grow lighting is LED’s. But these are probably best used in flashlights. LEDs have yet to reach the outputs and efficiencies claimed. At 116 watts, this electronic fluorescent beats the pants off those puny 16 watt panels with zillions of LEDs.
Get the biggest bang for the dollar!:
The hi-tech mirror like reflector is constructed of lighting grade high reflectivity anodized aluminum. This boosts light output and it is specular. This means it can be formed to direct light straight down. The computerized ray tracing results of the reflector are outstanding. You need to be careful using this material. Misapplication will cause the light to scatter to the side of the fixture, worse than if you had used a white reflector. But this is much better than a white reflector. The surface of a standard white reflector randomly scatters the light. These are ok for a shop, but can't deliver the ultra high light levels for growing. Also it CAN'T RUST .
For shipping purposes it has a protective plastic film on it. It's 4' long. We also roll the long edges over so you don't cut yourself.
You could Save a lot of money if you could grow plants in the DARK
When I first went into Business, the best advice I ever got was “it’s easy to sell as long as you are in business to help people” We seek to serve you in part by divulging all sorts of good accurate information.
There is confusion and misinformation about how much light different sources generate. Below is a comparison. Notice how High Output T8’s make more light using less energy than the much more expensive compact fluorescent. Also notice that not all T8 fixture are the same, not withstanding that many are often labeled as “high output” when they are not. The amount of light that you get out of a fixture varies with the ballast used. It’s not necessarily the rated output printed on the lamp.
Outrageous bulb replacement cost (claimed to equal 650w incandescent light bulb)
Come to Us for the True High Output T8’s
People say they are blown away with the brightness of our high output fixtures as they are compared side by side with competing normal output designs. Our customer’s really like our lights because they are so amazingly bright! Based on word of mouth reference, we have shipped lights all over the country.
Our competitors often see our lights and start saying that their ordinary output fixtures that they are selling are really high output too. What a dirty trick! It has happened over and over again. I feel sorry when I meet people that feel they have been cheated. A good part of our business is making rebuild kits to upgrade lights that are too dim.
What’s worse is that there is a new kind of shop light on the market. This consumer grade fixture makes exactly 50% of the rated output of the bulb. As one of our distributors who bought one to try said : “I only put one light bulb in it, because if you put in two, they will only run at half power.”
Here is the difference between normal and high output T8 fixtures. The T8 bulb was first developed in Europe as a 36 watt bulb. But when it was brought over here it was called a 32 watt bulb, but a standard fixture only drives the lamp at 27 or so watts.
So what does this all mean? A standard commercial grade T8 fixture will give you only 85 to 88% of 32 watt rating. The residential grade shop lights give you only 50% to 70% of the 32 watt rating . Our high output fixtures give 120% of the 32 watt rating. Additionally, there are different grades of bulbs, for instance our sunlight simulating 5K bulb makes an additional 9.6% more bonus light than a standard daylight bulb.
It’s a Fact:
Plants just use RED and BLUE Light for Photosynthesis. Producing the other colors is a Waste! Any common encyclopedia will tell you this.
Use mainly blue bulbs in early growth phases and then switch to red for blooming. You get the exact light your plants need! That’s why our fixture gives you 3 real red and 3 real blue bulbs.
Keep your electric bill low. This fixture uses just a fraction of the Energy of hot running HID lights.
These are the Best Grow and Bloom Bulbs. Most common “grow” (cool) or “bloom”(warm) bulbs actually make about 2/3rds green light, which is reflected back by the plants. Our fixture delivers the real thing! Our fixture gives you 3 real red and 3 real blue bulbs. (The red bulbs actually do have a smidgen of blue light to keep plants growing)
These are Poor Man’s LEDs
When it comes to grow lights, it’s hard to beat the efficiency and raw power of today’s electronic fluorescent. The latest rage in grow lighting is LED’s. But these are probably best used in flashlights. LEDs have yet to reach the outputs and efficiencies claimed. At 116 watts, this electronic fluorescent beats the pants off those puny 16 watt panels with zillions of LEDs.
Get the biggest bang for the dollar!:
By just producing the Red & Blue light that plants use, you can replace hot, high wattage HPS or Metal Halide lights.
Specifications
4’ Long, Includes Power Cord
Mirror-Like Reflector Magnifies Light.
Uses 3 T8 Bulbs at a Time (includes 3 red and 3 blue bulbs)
High Output T8 Ballast delivers more light per Bulb
It’s 4 times brighter than ordinary shop light!
This is a great multi-purpose light: great grow light for full scale production, cool enough for close-in lighting for starting. We also offer it with less expensive full spectrum bulbs for growing and showing, and aquarium bulbs. 4’ Long, Includes Power Cord
Mirror-Like Reflector Magnifies Light.
Uses 3 T8 Bulbs at a Time (includes 3 red and 3 blue bulbs)
High Output T8 Ballast delivers more light per Bulb
It’s 4 times brighter than ordinary shop light!
Fixture Shown with Alternate Bulbs
Bonus Application:
Now you don’t have to comprise. You can use your HPS fixture and then just add our blue high output Fluorescent. Keep your plants growing at full throttle!
Blue Enhanced HPS Bulbs are Not the Answer
To over come the deficiencies of HPS bulbs, some manufacturers adulter bulbs with blue light emitting metals. These bulbs still make trivial amounts of blue light. Sure, they are often bragged up as making "30% more blue light", but 30% of nothing is still nothing!
"Blue" Metal Halides are not really Blue
Other venders promote the so called "blue" metal halide bulbs. If you study these super expensive bulbs, you will find that they are not a blue bulb at all. They are more of a 5500K to 6500K "daylight" bulb.
Only a portion of the power of the metal halide lamp is actually blue as shown below
Blue Fluorescents are the most Energy Efficient!
The best way to make blue light is with fluorescents! HID bulbs are just not very good at making blue light.
Just with standard daylight 6500K or 5000K bulbs, our fixture makes 76% of the average lumens of a 250 watt hortilux blue. But it only uses 40% of the energy to do it!-- That’s 90% more light for the money.
It’s gets even better when you switch to the blue fluorescent bulbs. You get the most blue light for the least amount of money!
Quality Workmanship
It is factory new. It includes a 120 volt power cord. There are ample attachments for chain. The commercial grade electronic ballast carries a 5 year free replacement warranty from the manufacturer. It has a high ballast factor that generates 120% of rated lamp output.Bonus Application:
Adding Blue Light to HPS (High Pressure Sodium) Makes Plants Grow at Full Throttle
HPS is the work horse of most grow light systems. It produces the highest light flux using the least amount of energy. It has one main disadvantage: the dismal production of blue light. Blue light provides a critical signal that produces lush compact growth. It gets the plant through the vegetative phase with maximum growth.
Blue light activates crypto chrome pigments that stimulate correct vegetative growth. It decreases the spacing between leaves so you get compact, bushy plants. Take a look at the photo and see how lack of blue light stunts plant growth!
For this reason, growers often start plants under metal halide lights which have higher blue content. Later they switch to HPS to take advantage to it’s higher light energy content. The problem with using metal halide bulbs is that you sacrifice light output. Metal halide bulbs start out dimmer and lose output fast.
At 40% of rated life, 400 watt metal halide bulbs typically only make 23,400 to 26,000 lumens of light. At the same point a 400 watt HPS bulb is making 45,000 lumens. Starting plants under metal halide results in a 42% loss of light. This means plants will be smaller.Blue light activates crypto chrome pigments that stimulate correct vegetative growth. It decreases the spacing between leaves so you get compact, bushy plants. Take a look at the photo and see how lack of blue light stunts plant growth!
For this reason, growers often start plants under metal halide lights which have higher blue content. Later they switch to HPS to take advantage to it’s higher light energy content. The problem with using metal halide bulbs is that you sacrifice light output. Metal halide bulbs start out dimmer and lose output fast.
Now you don’t have to comprise. You can use your HPS fixture and then just add our blue high output Fluorescent. Keep your plants growing at full throttle!
Blue Enhanced HPS Bulbs are Not the Answer
To over come the deficiencies of HPS bulbs, some manufacturers adulter bulbs with blue light emitting metals. These bulbs still make trivial amounts of blue light. Sure, they are often bragged up as making "30% more blue light", but 30% of nothing is still nothing!
"Blue" Metal Halides are not really Blue
Other venders promote the so called "blue" metal halide bulbs. If you study these super expensive bulbs, you will find that they are not a blue bulb at all. They are more of a 5500K to 6500K "daylight" bulb.
Only a portion of the power of the metal halide lamp is actually blue as shown below
Blue Fluorescents are the most Energy Efficient!
The best way to make blue light is with fluorescents! HID bulbs are just not very good at making blue light.
Just with standard daylight 6500K or 5000K bulbs, our fixture makes 76% of the average lumens of a 250 watt hortilux blue. But it only uses 40% of the energy to do it!-- That’s 90% more light for the money.
It’s gets even better when you switch to the blue fluorescent bulbs. You get the most blue light for the least amount of money!
Quality Workmanship
The hi-tech mirror like reflector is constructed of lighting grade high reflectivity anodized aluminum. This boosts light output and it is specular. This means it can be formed to direct light straight down. The computerized ray tracing results of the reflector are outstanding. You need to be careful using this material. Misapplication will cause the light to scatter to the side of the fixture, worse than if you had used a white reflector. But this is much better than a white reflector. The surface of a standard white reflector randomly scatters the light. These are ok for a shop, but can't deliver the ultra high light levels for growing. Also it CAN'T RUST .
For shipping purposes it has a protective plastic film on it. It's 4' long. We also roll the long edges over so you don't cut yourself.
You could Save a lot of money if you could grow plants in the DARK
When I first went into Business, the best advice I ever got was “it’s easy to sell as long as you are in business to help people” We seek to serve you in part by divulging all sorts of good accurate information.
There is confusion and misinformation about how much light different sources generate. Below is a comparison. Notice how High Output T8’s make more light using less energy than the much more expensive compact fluorescent. Also notice that not all T8 fixture are the same, not withstanding that many are often labeled as “high output” when they are not. The amount of light that you get out of a fixture varies with the ballast used. It’s not necessarily the rated output printed on the lamp.
Fixture
Watts
Initial Lumens
Notes
Our 3 Lamp T8 High Output
116
10980
More Light, Less Energy
150 watt compact fluorescent
150
9200
2 lamp F54T5/HO
117
10000
Phony 2 Lamp T8 Shop Light
35?
2850
Commercial Grade 2 Lamp T8
62
5016
Standard Normal Output
Come to Us for the True High Output T8’s
People say they are blown away with the brightness of our high output fixtures as they are compared side by side with competing normal output designs. Our customer’s really like our lights because they are so amazingly bright! Based on word of mouth reference, we have shipped lights all over the country.
Our competitors often see our lights and start saying that their ordinary output fixtures that they are selling are really high output too. What a dirty trick! It has happened over and over again. I feel sorry when I meet people that feel they have been cheated. A good part of our business is making rebuild kits to upgrade lights that are too dim.
What’s worse is that there is a new kind of shop light on the market. This consumer grade fixture makes exactly 50% of the rated output of the bulb. As one of our distributors who bought one to try said : “I only put one light bulb in it, because if you put in two, they will only run at half power.”
Here is the difference between normal and high output T8 fixtures. The T8 bulb was first developed in Europe as a 36 watt bulb. But when it was brought over here it was called a 32 watt bulb, but a standard fixture only drives the lamp at 27 or so watts.
So what does this all mean? A standard commercial grade T8 fixture will give you only 85 to 88% of 32 watt rating. The residential grade shop lights give you only 50% to 70% of the 32 watt rating . Our high output fixtures give 120% of the 32 watt rating. Additionally, there are different grades of bulbs, for instance our sunlight simulating 5K bulb makes an additional 9.6% more bonus light than a standard daylight bulb.
0calli
Well-Known Member
The white widow available isn't the original strain. That's called black widow and it's owned by Shnatibabba, can be bought over on Mr Nice when it's available. The name "white Widow" was trademarked by greenhouse seed when shanti worked there. When they split up, greenhouse wouldnt let Shanti, the CREATOR of WW, keep the name so he took the parents and left. What you get from them now IS NOT true white widow. History 101,lol
history 101 ehh lol i got that in my hand how about you ?
and your temp of 70-75 imo is even low foe cannabis thats 21-23 deg celcius and they optimal temp any professional will tell you 26-29 deg celcius cause thats what i am running mabe you misread my thermometer ?
LBH
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First of all, I was trying to help you out, don't really appreciate the attitude.
Secondly, that's the black widow from female seeds, not Mr Nice
If you want the real deal you got to get on the list. The femaleseed.nl cut was inferior to begin with and it's been around how long now? No thanks. Research before you buy amigo. That seed will still give you a stable plant and good smoke but it wouldn't compare to the real deal, especially as thinned out as she is now.
history 101
The day you start growing weed like the weed in my gallery, with cfl's,....pm me
Secondly, that's the black widow from female seeds, not Mr Nice
If you want the real deal you got to get on the list. The femaleseed.nl cut was inferior to begin with and it's been around how long now? No thanks. Research before you buy amigo. That seed will still give you a stable plant and good smoke but it wouldn't compare to the real deal, especially as thinned out as she is now.history 101
The day you start growing weed like the weed in my gallery, with cfl's,....pm me
0calli
Well-Known Member
attitude started with you first my friend and i love how every so called big time grower thinks mr.nice is the only one with these seeds its called people buy and mother them to have thier own supply duhhh and if u read the fem seeds have been stabilized as i have read and thinned out funny i still have what 3 months of growing ahead im not worried at all i have grown plenty outdoors just my first indoors and i plan on topping so like i said thinned out thats a premature thought on your behalf considering the age of the plants and 1 was in recovery from a severly snapped stem almost completly off so thats why 1 of them is very small and scraggly looking you need too read my captions on my pics !!!First of all, I was trying to help you out, don't really appreciate the attitude.
Secondly, that's the black widow from female seeds, not Mr Nice
history 101
The day you start growing weed like the weed in my gallery, with cfl's,....pm me
also love how your ignoring the facts i put up for you with flourescents not cfl's with spectrums etc must have been too much for you to read or understand cause used properly the spectrums of light from flourescents not cfl's can and will grow better than any metal halide or hps bulb it boils down to simple photosynthesis my friend lmfao not bulbs that get your pocket jacked for electric bills and you save from having to spend shit loads of dough on cooling ventelation etc
LBH
Well-Known Member
Check your defensiveness bud,lol. I was merely presenting facts, just because you don't like them, doesn't mean they were aimed to piss you off
Now, I'm ignoring your lights because they , nor you, deserve my attention. When they start producing like hps', you might get my attention, till then I appreciate the attempted education but I'm good. I'm pulling far more bud than any flouro grower ever will.
..and yes, people buy mr nice and mother them duh. Femaleseeds.nl is one of the folks who did, and now they sell you seed from cuts that are from cuts from cuts. All yours, you're the kind of grower sites like that are made for.
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Now, I'm ignoring your lights because they , nor you, deserve my attention. When they start producing like hps', you might get my attention, till then I appreciate the attempted education but I'm good. I'm pulling far more bud than any flouro grower ever will.
..and yes, people buy mr nice and mother them duh. Femaleseeds.nl is one of the folks who did, and now they sell you seed from cuts that are from cuts from cuts. All yours, you're the kind of grower sites like that are made for.
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0calli
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done and done glad to help youWhere can i score some of these lights that you almost copied a book on, i dont know what to call them but the opnes that are blue and red.. can you link me? thanks.
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