What Has This World Become?

RetiredToker76

RetiredToker76

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ganjames said:
I saw a guy beating off while driving once
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Crap you caught me! kidding I hope. :P

Consumerism has driven people to believe that enough is never enough and that they must constantly 'upgrade' their life. Product cults push each other to purchase the latest and greatest, see the continuing Ipod craze as a perfect example.

I'm hoping that more and more people realize how obsessive our culture has become on being the 'coolest' consumer, but I don't know that it will happen any time soon.
 
dirtsurfr

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RetiredToker76 said:
Crap you caught me! kidding I hope. :P
Consumerism has driven people to believe that enough is never enough and that they must constantly 'upgrade' their life. Product cults push each other to purchase the latest and greatest, see the continuing Ipod craze as a perfect example.

I'm hoping that more and more people realize how obsessive our culture has become on being the 'coolest' consumer, but I don't know that it will happen any time soon.
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True true, but I think that without it there would be less forward motion in development of new products..
 
i<3

i<3

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dirtsurfr said:
True true, but I think that without it there would be less forward motion in development of new products..
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yeah it will stop future development of new products but fuck we dont need 3d 1tb ipod nano that fits on your pinky.....
 
RetiredToker76

RetiredToker76

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There's a fine line between developing new products for the betterment of people and producing epic loads of garbage in the name of profits, we've very much fallen into the latter. Technology is just one of many 'consumerism' ideals that are ripping us apart.

How many people are truly aware that we're almost to a point where we can't survive as a species without corporations making products? A perfect example that should strike a chord here, Monsanto. Their manipulation of food producing seeds which are impossible to germinate or clone have almost completely bread out seed producing food products. Heirloom seeds are both expensive and difficult to get for food crops. I don't even really care about frankenfoods which are pest resistant, I'm more concerned of what do we do without them? I've been collecting heirloom seeds for about 3 years because of this problem.

Then there's meat production. I'm sure as a people we could eventually relearn to hunt and clean our own foods, but it would only take one major cattle disease outbreak to obliterate our meat supply nation wide due to how corporate farms produce cattle. They are very susceptible to rapid spreading diseases because they're not permitted to develop healthily enough to fight diseases, therefore the farms become dependent on a slew of steroids and chemicals to keep their cattle alive long enough to slaughter. If one link in the chain falls apart, essentially our whole meat supply does too.

I had the rare privilege of being able to take true home-economics in Jr high, before it became 'consumer sciences.' Most kids these days literally don't know how to make a flavorful hamburger unless it comes prepackaged from the grocery store, much less know how to make gravy from scratch. Now they teach 'best shopping methods' instead of food preparations.

It's one thing to get a new toy once in a while, it's another thing to be so obsessed with consumerism that you must have every version of each and every item. Hard work, creativity, and self-satisfaction have all given way to product identity.

It's an epidemic that shows in our politics, personalities, and families. More focus placed on the thing than the person. More focus is placed on getting something cheap and easy instead of creating something from hard work and creativity.

The worse focus of all is more dependence on the Government for life sustaining needs. It's creating a selfish 'give me' society where everyone expects something for nothing and would rather submit to control than accept responsibility.

Things are headed very fast in a sad direction. I'm hoping for a solitary piece of land in the middle of nowhere with a massive garden (half weed half food), a well, some solar cells, a septic tank and a bit of hunting space. I don't think the infrastructure can support the full weight of all the people and it will tumble eventually.

Sometime between my childhood and now health-care became a right instead of a product, as has housing; I apparently missed that memo. My family murdered, raped, burned, raped, and pillaged (we really liked the rape part) for our needs, until we decided to quit being vikings and start blowing up old wagons for a living in the new world. No one ever told us that free possession of something was a right. Freedom to access a product or possession is generally a right, but free access to anything is just freeloading. Until we get back to providing for ourselves, I fear our society will just be a bunch of spoiled children begging for more and more 'things' until the tax base can no longer bear the weight.

Those of us who know how to grow, fish, hunt, and prepare food will be much better off than the rest of the society.
 
Tenner

Tenner

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I<3 your thinking just like I started to think at that age :) I`m 21 now and not much has changed apart from better accepting the whole thing... You learn to appreciate something with its flaws and humans are a way too complex "computer game" to not have bugs.

In my opinion this is what happens when you take a primate with simple instincts and supercharge it with a brain, then go further ahead and develop a language of how to use it. Language is a fucking phenomenon and it sure has its downside. It mixes everything up... Whats our image of a social life? Sitting around and chatting about pointless bullshit? Thoughts are what fogs over all our natural ways; being content, relaxing, sitting up straight, diaphram breathing, sleeping...

Like many pointed out, just do your thing :)

I think this video is very relevant to the idea flowing in this topic:

[video=youtube;jqxENMKaeCU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jqxENMKaeCU&gl=GB[/video]

Its pretty long but watch it, its an awareness thing. Its in HD and its all crystal :) Make sure to add a bookmark if you don`t now :)
 
canuckgrow

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RetiredToker76 said:
There's a fine line between developing new products for the betterment of people and producing epic loads of garbage in the name of profits, we've very much fallen into the latter. Technology is just one of many 'consumerism' ideals that are ripping us apart.

How many people are truly aware that we're almost to a point where we can't survive as a species without corporations making products? A perfect example that should strike a chord here, Monsanto. Their manipulation of food producing seeds which are impossible to germinate or clone have almost completely bread out seed producing food products. Heirloom seeds are both expensive and difficult to get for food crops. I don't even really care about frankenfoods which are pest resistant, I'm more concerned of what do we do without them? I've been collecting heirloom seeds for about 3 years because of this problem.

Then there's meat production. I'm sure as a people we could eventually relearn to hunt and clean our own foods, but it would only take one major cattle disease outbreak to obliterate our meat supply nation wide due to how corporate farms produce cattle. They are very susceptible to rapid spreading diseases because they're not permitted to develop healthily enough to fight diseases, therefore the farms become dependent on a slew of steroids and chemicals to keep their cattle alive long enough to slaughter. If one link in the chain falls apart, essentially our whole meat supply does too.

I had the rare privilege of being able to take true home-economics in Jr high, before it became 'consumer sciences.' Most kids these days literally don't know how to make a flavorful hamburger unless it comes prepackaged from the grocery store, much less know how to make gravy from scratch. Now they teach 'best shopping methods' instead of food preparations.

It's one thing to get a new toy once in a while, it's another thing to be so obsessed with consumerism that you must have every version of each and every item. Hard work, creativity, and self-satisfaction have all given way to product identity.

It's an epidemic that shows in our politics, personalities, and families. More focus placed on the thing than the person. More focus is placed on getting something cheap and easy instead of creating something from hard work and creativity.

The worse focus of all is more dependence on the Government for life sustaining needs. It's creating a selfish 'give me' society where everyone expects something for nothing and would rather submit to control than accept responsibility.

Things are headed very fast in a sad direction. I'm hoping for a solitary piece of land in the middle of nowhere with a massive garden (half weed half food), a well, some solar cells, a septic tank and a bit of hunting space. I don't think the infrastructure can support the full weight of all the people and it will tumble eventually.

Sometime between my childhood and now health-care became a right instead of a product, as has housing; I apparently missed that memo. My family murdered, raped, burned, raped, and pillaged (we really liked the rape part) for our needs, until we decided to quit being vikings and start blowing up old wagons for a living in the new world. No one ever told us that free possession of something was a right. Freedom to access a product or possession is generally a right, but free access to anything is just freeloading. Until we get back to providing for ourselves, I fear our society will just be a bunch of spoiled children begging for more and more 'things' until the tax base can no longer bear the weight.

Those of us who know how to grow, fish, hunt, and prepare food will be much better off than the rest of the society.
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that is a good post
 
filtereye

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the world has become shit cuz weve over fucked as a race, and are way overpopulated as natural disasters seem to be happening more frequently.

i think 1 to 2 child per couple should be implemented and past that goes into adopting. when it comes to our population limit were acting pretty non-challant about the problem.
 
i<3

i<3

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RetiredToker76 said:
There's a fine line between developing new products for the betterment of people and producing epic loads of garbage in the name of profits, we've very much fallen into the latter. Technology is just one of many 'consumerism' ideals that are ripping us apart.

How many people are truly aware that we're almost to a point where we can't survive as a species without corporations making products? A perfect example that should strike a chord here, Monsanto. Their manipulation of food producing seeds which are impossible to germinate or clone have almost completely bread out seed producing food products. Heirloom seeds are both expensive and difficult to get for food crops. I don't even really care about frankenfoods which are pest resistant, I'm more concerned of what do we do without them? I've been collecting heirloom seeds for about 3 years because of this problem.

Then there's meat production. I'm sure as a people we could eventually relearn to hunt and clean our own foods, but it would only take one major cattle disease outbreak to obliterate our meat supply nation wide due to how corporate farms produce cattle. They are very susceptible to rapid spreading diseases because they're not permitted to develop healthily enough to fight diseases, therefore the farms become dependent on a slew of steroids and chemicals to keep their cattle alive long enough to slaughter. If one link in the chain falls apart, essentially our whole meat supply does too.

I had the rare privilege of being able to take true home-economics in Jr high, before it became 'consumer sciences.' Most kids these days literally don't know how to make a flavorful hamburger unless it comes prepackaged from the grocery store, much less know how to make gravy from scratch. Now they teach 'best shopping methods' instead of food preparations.

It's one thing to get a new toy once in a while, it's another thing to be so obsessed with consumerism that you must have every version of each and every item. Hard work, creativity, and self-satisfaction have all given way to product identity.

It's an epidemic that shows in our politics, personalities, and families. More focus placed on the thing than the person. More focus is placed on getting something cheap and easy instead of creating something from hard work and creativity.

The worse focus of all is more dependence on the Government for life sustaining needs. It's creating a selfish 'give me' society where everyone expects something for nothing and would rather submit to control than accept responsibility.

Things are headed very fast in a sad direction. I'm hoping for a solitary piece of land in the middle of nowhere with a massive garden (half weed half food), a well, some solar cells, a septic tank and a bit of hunting space. I don't think the infrastructure can support the full weight of all the people and it will tumble eventually.

Sometime between my childhood and now health-care became a right instead of a product, as has housing; I apparently missed that memo. My family murdered, raped, burned, raped, and pillaged (we really liked the rape part) for our needs, until we decided to quit being vikings and start blowing up old wagons for a living in the new world. No one ever told us that free possession of something was a right. Freedom to access a product or possession is generally a right, but free access to anything is just freeloading. Until we get back to providing for ourselves, I fear our society will just be a bunch of spoiled children begging for more and more 'things' until the tax base can no longer bear the weight.

Those of us who know how to grow, fish, hunt, and prepare food will be much better off than the rest of the society.
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i totally love your post.... plus rep !!!!! you watched food inc didnt you :D lol BTW its a pgood movie :D

and damn. i wishi could also find a peice of land and live like humans used to....build your own house, grow your own food, hund and fish by yourself.... i was thinking of antartica but its too cold :D (just felt like hugging polar bears....<3

Tenner said:
I<3 your thinking just like I started to think at that age :) I`m 21 now and not much has changed apart from better accepting the whole thing... You learn to appreciate something with its flaws and humans are a way too complex "computer game" to not have bugs.

In my opinion this is what happens when you take a primate with simple instincts and supercharge it with a brain, then go further ahead and develop a language of how to use it. Language is a fucking phenomenon and it sure has its downside. It mixes everything up... Whats our image of a social life? Sitting around and chatting about pointless bullshit? Thoughts are what fogs over all our natural ways; being content, relaxing, sitting up straight, diaphram breathing, sleeping...

Like many pointed out, just do your thing :)

I think this video is very relevant to the idea flowing in this topic:

[video=youtube;jqxENMKaeCU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jqxENMKaeCU&gl=GB[/video]

Its pretty long but watch it, its an awareness thing. Its in HD and its all crystal :) Make sure to add a bookmark if you don`t now :)
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when i was in france it passed on tv, so i alredy watched it.....thanks, i hope more people are gonna watch it so they see how fucked the human 'civilization' has become
 
i<3

i<3

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Angry Pollock said:
first thing to do is shut the fucking tv off, that should help with the brainwashing part
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no shit.... the fucking news the comercials,and all the shit fucks us up..... i havent watched tv in about 4 months.... i dont even miss it....



"im a mormo...." SHUT the fuck up. i dont give a shit. stop puting ads about your religion and do like evrybody else.... leave us the fuck alone with religion.....(PS: im not being mean... im just telling you to STFU)
 
RetiredToker76

RetiredToker76

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i<3 said:
i totally love your post.... plus rep !!!!! you watched food inc didnt you :D lol BTW its a pgood movie :D and damn. i wishi could also find a peice of land and live like humans used to....build your own house, grow your own food, hund and fish by yourself.... i was thinking of antartica but its too cold :D (just felt like hugging polar bears....<3 when i was in france it passed on tv, so i alredy watched it.....thanks, i hope more people are gonna watch it so they see how fucked the human 'civilization' has become
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Thanks man, actually I've not seed Food Inc. I've seen the title on Netflix but haven't actually put it in the queue. I try not to watch too many shows that could be 'tilted' one way or another and do my own research, but I'll check it out now that it has a recommendation.

Most of my opinions come from returning from 'the Dark Side.' I was chewed up, spit out and stepped on by corporate America for 10 years before I finally dumped them, a year ago yesterday. A huge part of dropping out of the corp. world was smoking weed again for the first time since I was 19. After I finished that first joint after 15 years squeaky clean, I spent the next 18 hours stoned out of my mind and a lot of things became clear. One of the huge things was that I had become a part of the machine I'd loathed my entire life. It almost destroyed my mother, it did destroy my dad, and despite witnessing those experiences; after I completed college, in a moment of intense sobriety, I ended up joining the machine and it cost me a lot, mentally, physically, and psychologically.

Before I quit my job and started my masters degree last fall I read a shit load of stuff about growing, organic gardening, and modern urban survival. One book I really liked was The Botany of Desire, I think they made a movie of it too.

I'm a farm boy from Iowa, I wasn't sure how to make this crappy soil in the southern cities work for me. So I learned from hanging out with the pot growing hippies down here and in essence becoming one, even if I did chicken out on growing my own. At least I can play with their plants and if I help enough get really great weed. :smile:

Hopefully next fall I'll have enough compost built up to start my organic garden in the back yard and grow some massive vegetables for the family.
 
Jeffdt1966

Jeffdt1966

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yea...the world is all fucked up ... I think we where meant to love people and use things - It got turned around somewhere along the lines .....
 
Tenner

Tenner

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Is the world a nice place? Depends on what your on! :D

Only kidding :) I mean we all know you can get much higher in life without drugs :D
 
Jeffdt1966

Jeffdt1966

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I've heard that before about gettin high on life ... shit .. If could do that I'd save a ton of money ... the drugs just seem to work way better for me tbh ....
 
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