Botanicare pure blend pro bloom in organic soil

hi all. so i have some pure blend bloom left over and i was wondering if i can use that in an organic soil with microrhizzae fungus or would it kill the "micro herd"? if this a very dumb question please let me know! any help is greatly appreciated.
 

Nullis

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It shouldn't kill anything. AFAIK the Pure Blend Pro is derived from entirely organic ingredients. Only thing is that it doesn't have any actual organic matter like say Earth Juice or Roots Organic bottled nutrients do. I guess that would make it great for soil-less hydro\recirculating applications, but if you're growing in soil it is good to use a nutrient with an organic matter content.

I use Pure Blend Pro for lazy foliar some times.
 

randomseed

Active Member
I swear I just saw this question answered last week.

Botanicare is pretty decent stuff, without any science to back it up I have used it in my almost organic program and it has not caused any issues with the rest of the organics. I wouldnt go bat shit crazy with appling it but here and there it does not seem to cause much damage. Better then I can say about most of the rest of the stuff out there.
 

hyroot

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its hydro one right? its fine just add a little more than you normally would in hydro. the soil formula has a higher npk by like 1%. i do soil and i use the botanicare line myself.
 

wickedpissaponics

New Member
I use it too. Obviously make sure you're using R/O water. I know dummies who use tap water then mix in PHC bio-pak!? Might as well pour $50 down the drain.
 

hyroot

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I use it too. Obviously make sure you're using R/O water. I know dummies who use tap water then mix in PHC bio-pak!? Might as well pour $50 down the drain.
depends on the tap water. chlorine and chloromine only kills bacteria if its concentrated enough. where i'm at. my girls like tap water more than ro water. its weird and i don't undertsand it but it works. when i used ro water i got mag an cal deficiencies and the leaves would dry out. i was using black strap molasses too. which has way more cal and mag in it than calmag or calplex. chlorine is a catch 22. it kills bacteria but it also stimulates root growth.
 
i have pretty low ppm water where i am so im not worried. i let it sit out for 24 hours too, from my understanding the worst that can happen is slightly burnt leaf ends. ive never heard chrlorine stimulates root growth...very interesting, ill have to read up on that. i used botanicare in coco and i was quite pleased with the results, pleased enough where i asked if i could use it in soil lol. and jay johnson, if botanicare was so bad i think there would be a lot more ppl saying how bad it was, not knockin ya or anything.
 

wickedpissaponics

New Member
Botanicare is my main nute. I've used it for the lasr 4 years. Pro is the same thing as AN's iguanna juice but half the price. I was totally anti-Botanicare once. I won a contest where they were supposed to send me a free quart of Sweet Grape. I never got it. My grow shop guru talked me into trying it anyway. He told me the same about Iguanna juice. I was hooked after my first grow. I told Botanicare about the missing prize on their facebook page. THEY HOOKED ME UP!!! They sent 3 HUGE boxes full of product! I got 4 gallons EACH of Grow, Bloom, & soil bloom. A couple gallons of everything else, Liquid Karma, Aqua Shield, Hydroplex, Silica blast, Sweet- 3 different flavors! They also sent me a free heavy duty winter hoodie. The shipping alone was almost $300. I'll use Botanicare forever. It also does well with AN's supplements added like Big buds etc.
 

wickedpissaponics

New Member
depends on the tap water. chlorine and chloromine only kills bacteria if its concentrated enough. where i'm at. my girls like tap water more than ro water. its weird and i don't undertsand it but it works. when i used ro water i got mag an cal deficiencies and the leaves would dry out. i was using black strap molasses too. which has way more cal and mag in it than calmag or calplex. chlorine is a catch 22. it kills bacteria but it also stimulates root growth.
Do you add mykos?
 

Nullis

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depends on the tap water. chlorine and chloromine only kills bacteria if its concentrated enough. where i'm at. my girls like tap water more than ro water. its weird and i don't undertsand it but it works. when i used ro water i got mag an cal deficiencies and the leaves would dry out. i was using black strap molasses too. which has way more cal and mag in it than calmag or calplex. chlorine is a catch 22. it kills bacteria but it also stimulates root growth.
It really doesn't take much chlorination to kill microbes, especially the good ones. Concentrations below 1 ppm will begin to kill bacteria; but even higher concentrations than that are required to be effective against other organisms (such as giardia and cryptosporidium). What complicates this is the fact that free chlorine is highly reactive and forms toxic compounds (trihalomethanes along with other disinfection by-poducts) on contact with organic matter, which is why chloramines are increasingly used in conjunction with free chlorine. By the time the water comes out of the faucet much of the free chlorine may have reacted or dissipated but that doesn't mean what remains (the residual concentration) wont still kill microbes, especially where chloramines are used. If you can smell the chlorination in your tap water it is certainly strong enough to kill microbes\hinder microbial proliferation.

Also, while plants do require chlorine as a trace element (as they do sodium, both involved in salinity) I am not so sure if the form the chlorine is in would even be very available to roots, if at all. Weather it is chlorine gas or sodium hypochlorite (bleach) that is used it essentially dissociates in water to underchloric acid and hypochlorite ions and while the later should eventually wind up as a Cl- ion and an oxygen; what actually happens from there I can't say. Cl is quite abundant in nature where it is found as stable chloride salts of other elements which is in contrast to the highly reactive chlorine-compounds used for water chlorination.

Depending on the brand of molasses it might contain up to 1% calcium (200 mg) and from 30-60 mg of magnesium. Not exactly sure what is in CalMag but Calplex is 3% calcium. Additional dolomite should also help when using RO\distilled\filtered water.
 

hyroot

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according to the water departments it takes at least 4 ppm's and most tap water is at 3 or 4 depending on how far they are from the basin or plant. where pools are at 5. i used to use grandmas robust molasses which has 6% cal and 6% mag and the yellow label is 4% of each which is still higher than cal mag and cal plex. i use plantation organic black strap molasses now. it contains 8% cal and 8% mag , 10% vitamin b, 20% iron, 20% potassium . calmag is less than cal plex , its 2%
 

hyroot

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i have pretty low ppm water where i am so im not worried. i let it sit out for 24 hours too, from my understanding the worst that can happen is slightly burnt leaf ends. ive never heard chrlorine stimulates root growth...very interesting, ill have to read up on that. i used botanicare in coco and i was quite pleased with the results, pleased enough where i asked if i could use it in soil lol. and jay johnson, if botanicare was so bad i think there would be a lot more ppl saying how bad it was, not knockin ya or anything.

you shouldn't let your water sit out. as the water evaporates. the chems in the water that cant evaporate like chloromine become much more concentrate. you will notice that your leaves will dry out tough from that.
 

Jay Johnson

Active Member
So you just water your plants straight out of the faucet with no negative results on the myco?

Never thought about the chlorine dispersing and causing the chloramine to be more intense. Do you make teas?
 

hyroot

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yep. ive used r/o water before. for some reason my girls like the tap better. cant explain it. im also in the mountains though. our tap is pretty clean. i have made teas before. but i dont have area to do it. so i buy either the botanicare tea or the guano company tea. the ratio of chlorine to chloramine varies in every town. some places have one or the other and some have both. depends how dirty the water is in that area
 

Nullis

Moderator
according to the water departments it takes at least 4 ppm's and most tap water is at 3 or 4 depending on how far they are from the basin or plant. where pools are at 5. i used to use grandmas robust molasses which has 6% cal and 6% mag and the yellow label is 4% of each which is still higher than cal mag and cal plex. i use plantation organic black strap molasses now. it contains 8% cal and 8% mag , 10% vitamin b, 20% iron, 20% potassium . calmag is less than cal plex , its 2%
Killing microbes is the very point of chlorinating the water in the first place and using chloramines ensures there wont be any proliferation even as the water comes out of the faucet. And if you can smell the chlorine the concentration is higher than 3 ppm. What exactly your water dept. is saying I have no idea but according to folks who know a hell of a lot more than me and you bacteria will be damaged well before 3 ppm, that is just around what the WHO recommends for disinfecting drinking water. Of course it takes longer to kill certain microbes at lower concentrations, but for our purposes it can't be helping.

Remember Molasses is labeled as a food so those percentages are the human % daily value. For calcium that is typically 1000 mg, so you'd have to do some math to find out the actual % of the mineral. For example 8% of 1000 is 80 mg out of a 21 g serving (21,000 mg) so it is actually .38% calcium.
 
so i just did some research on chloramines and based upon 10 minutes of "research" i have concluded theres probably no chloramines in my water...so i think ill continue to let my water sit out for 24 or so. although this stuff does seem kinda scary for organics. could you use the stuff they use for treating water for aquariums? i agree with nullis on the molasses, the percentages are based on human daily values
 
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