Super DUPER Cropping

[PuffPuffPassed]

I recently discovered super cropping and have been experimenting with success and now I want to try to take it one step further.

This is still theory, but im thinkg about doing a super crop bend, and then 6-12 hours later once it starts to show signs of recovery, just chop it at the bend. I am guessing that this extra pent up energy which was diverted towards the repair will just be transferred to the rest of the plant instead. My only concern would be stress, but during veg I dont foresee it to be too much of a problem.

comments/questions/concerns lol

 

[DankBudzzz]

That's a horrible idea . That's what topping is for

 

[LBH]

I don't get it, what's the goal?

 

[mccumcumber]

Why wouldn't you just top in the first place?

 

[bamfrivet]

I thought by the title it was going to be something like super cropping, and then super cropping the super cropped part to get a huge knuckle, this just sounds like a bad idea, I think you would just harm and confuse your plant more than anything.

 

[dannyboy602]

U guys r idiots. Where in here does say anything about topping? Hmmm? He's talking about super cropping. Look it up before u comment on something u know nothing about.

 

[hyroot]

U guys r idiots. Where in here does say anything about topping? Hmmm? He's talking about super cropping. Look it up before u comment on something u know nothing about.

You obviously didn't read it. He said chop it at the point to wear he bent it (super crop point). Chop means cut it off aka top. By that you made yourself the idiot on this thread.



That idea is redundant the energy used to heal the bend slows the plants growth. So top it to begin with. Then the energy is already diverted to other parts of the plant


people need to think before they speak

 

[GeeTee]

i do something like what your suggesting jus i top first and w8 3 to 4 days till i supercrop again. basically in veg i top once then 3 to 4 days later i supercrop and 3to4 days later i supercrop again and so on till i veg. imo as long as the plant has time to heal then it doesnt add that much stress

 

[PuffPuffPassed]

I have been topping fan leaves here and there in spots in the canopy where they arent getting light.. and that really seems to promote new growth on the stem above it. I like manipulating the way the plant grows thatway, but topping is definitely something I may try here coming up.

As for my original post, I was just thinking for a situation like before a clone is taken, possibly supercropping it so the energy it was going to divert to strengthening it would be diverted elsewhere.

I understand people that are saying just cut it to avoid the stress, but im thinking of the plant like a living muscle, in that stress will make it stronger in controlled amounts, and it would gain the ability to have more energy to be able to divert energy to fixing something, rather than if it never had anything to fix and no stress at all.

 

[LBH]

I have been topping fan leaves here and there in spots in the canopy where they arent getting light.. and that really seems to promote new growth on the stem above it.

Defoliating for higher yield is like fucking for abstinence or bombing for peace. Topping and defoliation though,....two completely different things, you can't "top" a leaf.

 

[PuffPuffPassed]

lol i meant to say cut* the fan leaves. In this grow im pretty limited to space so im trying to grow more upward than outward, and splitting the top in 2 directions would be more outward.

I am cutting leaves to maintain my canopy so light reaches the new growth not for higher yields, just overall health. i like the bombing for peace analogy though haha. From observation though, cutting certain fan leaves not receiving optimum light seems to make the new growth coming in at the base of the stem grow quicker than others where I dont cut the leaf.

Is that my imagination or is it diverting energy to the new growth instead of growing the fan leaf?

 

[LBH]

It's a highly controversial topic, defoliation, I got sick of arguing it but I did 4 runs, screens of 4 plants each and only did defoliation on 1 of the 4 each run, and it was the lowest yielder 3 of 4 times. It only came in next to last the time it wasn't last. I did 4 runs so I could change the plant position each run and eliminate that variable also ((it's rdwc so I didn't want any bucket favoritism,lol) I personally, do not defoliate live, thriving leaves. Again, very controversial.

If you can, try to tuck away any specific fans in the way, reposition them before pulling them. No reason it can't still work as a photorecptor and still get plenty of light to the inner growth

 

[PuffPuffPassed]

for sure, i really appreciate the info. this is my first grow so i'm definitely flying by the seat of my pants.. but ive also done my share of research as well on growing.. just not on defoliating lol.

This is a pic of the crop.. as you can see there isnt much room for outward growth in this little ass hydro system lol

 

[woodsmantoker]

Plant Auxins - http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Auxin

What the cells are doing at any one time depends heavily on which genes it has that are active. And Auxin can make quite radical changes to which genes are active and which genes are not active in cells. And we've known that for quite a while, but we haven't understood how that happens, how a cell knows how much Auxin there is there, and that information is then translated into turning genes off and on.

PALCA: Leyser says like a brain, Auxin allows a plant to respond to its environment. Auxin helps plants bend toward the light, for example. The way Auxin does that is by switching on and off genes inside plant cells.

Two scientific teams--one in England and one in America--have cracked a puzzle that has stumped plant biologists for more than a century. They figured out a key step in how a crucial hormone causes plants to grow. Naturally, this is big news for scientists who study plants. But as NPR's Joe Palca reports, it could have implications for the animal kingdom, as well.

LINK to Artical - GOOD READ - http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4666858

 

[LBH]

Wood, what, in the human body, would you compare auxin to, would it be like Lymph?

 

[dsmoke1]

Unless you plan to veg for an extended period, I wouldn't remove any healthy fan leaves. You seem to have healthy plants... I'm confused as to why you're not in line with this understanding. Top early and train. If it isn't broke...

 

[The Outdoorsman]

Yellowing from center outward, is that sulphur or iron deficiency? Anyways should be an easy fix, hope an expert will correct me if i'm wrong.
I like supercropping, my OG#18 and mataro blue all love it.
as far as defoliation I have had positive results removing leaves that shade out bud sites, also ill remove an inward growing leaf if its getting in the way. However, when I experimented with removing fan leaves I noticed for every big leave removed atleast 2 smaller ones will pop up to take its place, making your plant even more leafy. Im not advising you to remove anything, just sharing my experience on the subject. Happy growing, The Outdoorsman

 

[woodsmantoker]

Outdoorsman - iron or sulfur possibly. Easier to determine with natural light.

LBH - Auxin is a hormone, and has a unique ability to be distributed throughout the whole plant through a complex transfer from one cell to the next. Though not a hormone and incomparable at a level of transfer, Serotonin I suppose would be comparable...?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin

 

[PuffPuffPassed]

Any recommendations on fixing the deficiency? I think it is probably iron.

 

[LBH]

Outdoorsman - iron or sulfur possibly. Easier to determine with natural light.

LBH - Auxin is a hormone, and has a unique ability to be distributed throughout the whole plant through a complex transfer from one cell to the next. Though not a hormone and incomparable at a level of transfer, Serotonin I suppose would be comparable...?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin

Well, I think we're all aware of how we mess with Serotonin as a society, synthetic forms etc, Is there a way and would it be beneficial, to pump a plant full of it artificially?