Not enough nitrogen 5 weeks into 12/12 wat shud i do ?

[f1bud]

Not enough nitrogen 5 weeks into 12/12 wat shud i do ?

As i am new on my first serious attempt/ hence ive spent money, lol, 2 white widows were lookin fine untill recently now i av lots of yellow !! Dont no if they will make it to the end with still 19 days to go ?

Any sugestion please !!

Once i av got a grow or 2 under my belt i shud start to get the experience required to pull this off successfully !!! And ask less questions to you guys. Thanx peeps !!!!

 

[JealousGreen]

Yellowing is normal and healthy.. especially if you only have 2-3 weeks left. No worries. You want all those leaves to yellow out and fall off by harvest time.

 

[f1bud]

Ok cheers man, its just wen i av posted the odd pic some one sed it was lacking nitrogen and now its more yellowing so thought i wud get some more advice as i av 19 days to go !! Cheers for ya input man. Peace out

 

[djruiner]

Yellowing is normal and healthy.. especially if you only have 2-3 weeks left. No worries. You want all those leaves to yellow out and fall off by harvest time.

really???? is that the common answer for this site?...so your plant dying during its most important time in growing is normal?
keep them green till harvest and you will increase your yields, potency, and taste. whats one of the most important key elements for curing? nitrogen...drop the whole idea that grow nutes during flower is bad...its the opposite of that. start giving it 1/4 strength grow nutes along with your regular bloom nutes and watch the yellowing stop...not to mention give it a good shot of N right before harvest to help with the fermentation process during cure. your plants should lose A COUPLE larger leaves at the very end (depending on the strain) this happens instantly for me when i do my pre-harvest drown with boiling water. it gets old seeing post after post of people saying something is normal to use as an excuse to cover for their mistakes or lack of knowledge

 

[f1bud]

ok djruiner !! i must say i do like ya post wish it was not the case but u do seem to no wat ur talkin about n ur right if this is the case then us noobys dont want to think all is well when its not so we can learn to avoid these mistakes in the future, and here wat ur saying loud n clear though ur the first to say this, i am for sure gonna research this a whole lot more man as i want to master this hobby in a few years n the quicker i get the basics down the better, first proppa grow m8 so i new it was not goin to b a walk in the park, especialy wiv no ppm meter n trying to guess my ph with drops n colour chart, this i will address in future so i no if i am over or under feedin n get my ph bang on instead of round about,,, i av a lot 2 learn so chipin in wiv this makes me want to research it more as its sounds very common sense, except the bit were u advise a final shot of N for the curing period, i was led 2 believe from the bit of research iv'e done that N is bad in taste so ya dont want much of this at the end ? thanx for ur input man it opens up somethink that may b myth. Raspect nooby

 

[joe9000]

yellowing towards end of flower cycle maby flush week but need to keep em green for as long as u can.usually happens to me on week 6 but still make it to the end ok.

 

[Vindicated]

Hmm, why do you pour boiling water on your soil?

 

[f1bud]

yes DJRUINER i meant to ask u that myself the boiling water wen flush?
as u seem to no ur stuff wud like 2 here ur theory on this. cheers man. noob

 

[djruiner]

ok djruiner !! i must say i do like ya post wish it was not the case but u do seem to no wat ur talkin about n ur right if this is the case then us noobys dont want to think all is well when its not so we can learn to avoid these mistakes in the future, and here wat ur saying loud n clear though ur the first to say this, i am for sure gonna research this a whole lot more man as i want to master this hobby in a few years n the quicker i get the basics down the better, first proppa grow m8 so i new it was not goin to b a walk in the park, especialy wiv no ppm meter n trying to guess my ph with drops n colour chart, this i will address in future so i no if i am over or under feedin n get my ph bang on instead of round about,,, i av a lot 2 learn so chipin in wiv this makes me want to research it more as its sounds very common sense, except the bit were u advise a final shot of N for the curing period, i was led 2 believe from the bit of research iv'e done that N is bad in taste so ya dont want much of this at the end ? thanx for ur input man it opens up somethink that may b myth. Raspect nooby

research on your own will give you better results then learning from new growers passing their misinformation along on marijuana forums...make sure to look outside of MJ research...look into simple botany..the anatomy of flowering plants. what causes what in nature....things like rain can be recreated indoors. the more you look at this as a plant and not a something to smoke/sell then you will begin producing killer smoke.

as for the N at the end of flower..thats only needed if showing signs of yellowing...now i wouldnt do this if your a few days from harvest...not going to hurt the plant to take food from its leaves for a couple days...this is wiff your 2..3..4 weeks from harvest and its yellowing. now if its not needed and no yellowing shows up...then it has enough N in it to last till harvest and aid in the cure. and nutes have nothing to do with end taste...another myth passes along on this site...flushing..or leeching as it is really called. flushing at the end does not remove any of the nutes...people forget that the nutes have to be broken down for the plant to absorb them through the roots...whether organic or chem nutes...they are being broken down into the same elements that the plant can uptake....look into passive and active transport as it comes to plants and you will get a better understanding of why "flushing" is meant for turds and not plants. flushing the plant removes not only its food during its most important but elements need for proper curing....but to get back on topic...when people say they can taste the nutes in their plants....thats simply confusion on whats going on at a molecular level...bad tastes from final product isnt from nutes...its from improper dry and cure. i notice the same people that say their unflushed plant taste bad...is the same people that have half dead plants at harvest...then smoke their harvest after 2 days of drying it....it pops and sizzles due to moisture...but somehow they say its the nutes...which are not even in the bud to begin with (referring back to passive and active transportation).

 

[djruiner]

Hmm, why do you pour boiling water on your soil?

first off it doesnt have to be boiling water....but it comes back to mine and others research as it comes to plants in flood prone areas...noticed plants in areas near rivers that tend to overflow...dramatic plant life. but to sum it up...and i can give links to more detailed info.... but drowning is basically curing the plant before its chopped. you begin the fermenting process by suffocating the roots 6-15 days before harvest by submerging the roots completely in water(less time if lights are on..more time if lights are off). the plants can no longer get oxygen...so it assumes its dying...that kicks in the cure process while its still able to grow and uptake nutes. the main reason in doing this is it shortens your cure time dramatically. it turns a 3 day cure taste into a 30-40 day cure taste. for those that have a few harvest under their belt know that after you chop and begin to dry it has a "hay" like smell to it..which is normal if you have proper levels of N..and after you cure for 2-4 weeks that sweet cure smell starts kicking in...when you drown it before hand all this process happens before you chop it. after a few days drowning the hay smell kicks in...then quickly...and i mean quickly goes away as the cure is kicked into over drive...this entire time the buds are still putting on weight since the plant isnt dead...just thinks it is...so your cutting cure time dramatically in half while packing on more weight. after its in the jar for 2-3 days..i can smoke my harvest and it taste like its been curing for months.

 

[f1bud]

DJRUINER ,, ur post is probly the best info i av read todate, yes y it didnt occur to me to look outside of the ganja sites n take a look at the science of maybe similar species that have allready been well researched, like passive n active transportation etc, so again thanx man
ps i here wat ursayin about the whole N thing now

 

[Vindicated]

I would test the soil before adding anything. If you need N, look for something high in nitrate, as that doesn't nee to be broken down by microorganisms. Ammonium and Urea do need to be broken down, but this occurs fairly quickly, usually within three to four days. fwiw I've never needed to add N during my grow, but I've also never had that much yellowing.

 

[djruiner]

DJRUINER ,, ur post is probly the best info i av read todate, yes y it didnt occur to me to look outside of the ganja sites n take a look at the science of maybe similar species that have allready been well researched, like passive n active transportation etc, so again thanx man
ps i here wat ursayin about the whole N thing now

no problem...i try and help new growers when i can. but the best thing you can do is take information you receive from growers here and other places and research what your told on your own and use what works best for you..your setup..and the time to have to put into it. you will get many myths and theories from blackmarket and commercial growers. not too mention a ton of ego that seems to come along with this "hobby".so take everything you see here with a grain of salt...research what looks legit and formulate a system that works for you.

 

[djruiner]

I would test the soil before adding anything. If you need N, look for something high in nitrate, as that doesn't nee to be broken down by microorganisms. Ammonium and Urea do need to be broken down, but this occurs fairly quickly, usually within three to four days. fwiw I've never needed to add N during my grow, but I've also never had that much yellowing.

chem ferts do not need to be broken down...thats organic nutes...and it could be as simple as adding 1 tablespoon of molasses to his mix for a good source of N. once it goes yellow its not going to change back...have to keep the new growth green...if you try to correct this too quickly your going to more harm then good. rushing to correct a small issue normally leads to much bigger issues like burn or lockout. and it all really depends on your soil mix and how and what you feed them during the first 2-3 weeks during the flowering stretch...most people start giving the bloom nutes the second they see hairs...thats not what the plant needs. i feed with grow nutes till after the stretch ends..during the stretch its putting more energy into growth then buds...so if you keep feeding it grow nutes with a balanced NPK ratio...you build up enough N in the soil to maintain it for the remaining flowering weeks...that keeps it from ever turning yellow and when you start slowing going over to bloom nutes...the buds have the nice green leaves to help grow into monster colas

 

[TDM]

Could be calcium/mag problem...add 1/4 strenth Cal-Mag to fertilizer...another prb could be over watering.
Cal Mag 1-0-0

 

[Vindicated]

I agree. I trust university papers the most, then seasoned farmers, and old people who garden veggies and flowers. Cannabis growers are last in my book, lol. Here's a trick when searching google, type "fertilizer site:.edu" and that will show only university sites about fertilizer

 

[Vindicated]

Soil Test = cuts through all the BS

 

[f1bud]

loud n clear friend/ i rearly rearly like ur attitude to the whole grow thing, well thought out n well researched i gather, the help i recieve from people like you i will cherish n implement ur idea's to my next grow n who nows in the future i may b able to give a little honest ( RELIABLE ) INFO BACK N HELP OTHERS LIKE U DO !! cheers man i rearly mean it, its the way i want to b heading !!!!!

 

[f1bud]

to vindicated !!! how is the soil test done m8 ? with what ?

 

[JealousGreen]

Really??? Push nitrogen right before harvest for better flavor? You're fucking retarded. Subcool from tga seeds totally disagrees with your ignorant point of view as do I. Good luck op..

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