Anatomy Of A K-Hole

[Puffer Fish]

Of course that was just the beginning, I then went to a place where I imagined I lived in a world that life and death didn't actually exist but in reality we are all connected and recycle each other. I'm not sure I felt human anymore but some other kind of entity.

Hey Brother .. YOU have SeeMEd to recycle this Thought LEFT OUT of my BraiN !

 

[NP88]

2 days after trying 60mg, I went up to 200mg. While it was markedly more intense, I still felt I was quite a bit away from the hole/ OBE. It was really just very confusing. Right after I snorted the lines, I couldn't remember if I had anything important to do the next day. So i was trying very hard to recall what I needed to do. It was extremely difficult to think clearly. Walking was difficult, but not impossible. I was able to hold my phone and read text messages. I did not attempt to send any, and I probably would not have been successful!

At no point did I think I was anywhere but my room... I did forget what I was doing a couple times... I had headphones on, and I was watching trippy youtube videos. I forgot that I was controlling the music! I also paused a video and just starred at it for a few minutes, before I remember to resume the video!

It wasn't the most enjoyable experience. It was not unpleasant, but it just made me very confused, and when I couldn't remember if I had to be up for class the next day, I got anxious and began regretting my decision to dose. The best way to describe my experience was the mind fuck of shrooms, without the silliness, body high, and euphoria of a shroom trip. Therefore, I think it would be great while on Lucy.

In my oppinion, mxe is way stronger and not as clean... To be fair, I did not experience a hole, so perhaps I cannot say that mxe is actually stronger... But mxe definitely had me seeing more visuals and impaired my coordination much more. I don't think I will be chasing the hole in the future. I've concluded that K really isn't my thing.


Sorry that this report is not very concise or well written... I am typing it up as i am remembering it now...

 

[Ellis Dee]

I found, just like with classical psychedelics, closing the eyes it the only way to get the true presence of the drug.

I have a pretty long trip report I have been touching up for about a week, it includes a couple different actual trips but all were similar in that this was my first time I had used ketamine. It will appear before too long so no questions please.

 

[Tenner]

2 days after trying 60mg, I went up to 200mg. While it was markedly more intense, I still felt I was quite a bit away from the hole/ OBE. It was really just very confusing. Right after I snorted the lines, I couldn't remember if I had anything important to do the next day. So i was trying very hard to recall what I needed to do. It was extremely difficult to think clearly. Walking was difficult, but not impossible. I was able to hold my phone and read text messages. I did not attempt to send any, and I probably would not have been successful!

At no point did I think I was anywhere but my room... I did forget what I was doing a couple times... I had headphones on, and I was watching trippy youtube videos. I forgot that I was controlling the music! I also paused a video and just starred at it for a few minutes, before I remember to resume the video!

It wasn't the most enjoyable experience. It was not unpleasant, but it just made me very confused, and when I couldn't remember if I had to be up for class the next day, I got anxious and began regretting my decision to dose. The best way to describe my experience was the mind fuck of shrooms, without the silliness, body high, and euphoria of a shroom trip. Therefore, I think it would be great while on Lucy.

In my oppinion, mxe is way stronger and not as clean... To be fair, I did not experience a hole, so perhaps I cannot say that mxe is actually stronger... But mxe definitely had me seeing more visuals and impaired my coordination much more. I don't think I will be chasing the hole in the future. I've concluded that K really isn't my thing.


Sorry that this report is not very concise or well written... I am typing it up as i am remembering it now...

This is just my opinion. It sounds like you need to give the stuff a better go in a nice comfort zone. I was good at texting except my fingers were numb as bum, I switched onto predictive texting and it was do`able

Videos and such aren`t the way to go with the K but you were propably just entertaining yourself as you weren`t in the "required zone" You should have your eyes closed like Ellis Dee is saying To me when my eyes are open K doesn`t have any effect apart from making me a little confused, uncoordinated and giving music a really shit hot depth. Maybe occasional dark bits flying around and some mild visuals comparable to a tiny amount of cid. But eyes closed and its game on!

How about getting together 300mg`s of K along with a 2 days of nothing to do with someone to watch over you. Toy around with it up to 150-200 and do a final blast like I did perhaps. I think it feels more comfortable when you ease up to it. I`m not sure how I would of felt if I did a whole 250mg line lol Puffer suggested 2 sessions of 120mg which would work quite well too I belive

 

[NP88]

You're probably right... I was actually afraid that my roommates would knock on my door while I was under the spell of K... So I was anything but relaxed.

Perhaps I'll give it another go in a month or two...

I might try it orally at some point too. I don't like how it only lasts 45 minutes. Although if I got into a K hole, I probably would not want it to last any longer than that!

 

[Puffer Fish]

Friends I am very happy to participate in this research ...
But also understand that ... there will be different 'sweet spots' ...
Naturally .. depending on body weight ... cross tolerance issues ...
Intensity of the trip varies ... substantially ...

Personally I have done lines ...
To come 2 ... right on my carpeted floor ... (how did I get here type thing)
Where to even operate anything remotely electronic ... is laughable ....
I actually go OBE ... but that's dosage and state of mind ...

I love all the presented takes ...
Wicked data and fantastic insights.

 

[Sr. Verde]

carpets and psychadelics... go hand in hand...


i remember the first time I got down real close to a carpet on mushrooms...... oh has my life changed since then... the ocean in the fibers took me adrift




....wo....woah..

 

[Sr. Verde]

I have done lines ...
To come 2 ... right on my carpeted floor ... (how did I get here type thing)

 

[Michael Phelps]

Well ... to tell YOU the truth .. in my experience ...
K wires me right OUT ... so after I crawl back into my body ...
I feel the need to sleep but never have been able 2.

Source ...

I think YOU might be optimistically cautious ... taking into consideration your past experience with someone not waking UP.
Safety always first ... but in terms of sleep ... I never wait ...and usually smoke a bowl and drift.

Thanks for the info buddy. Very helpful!

I def was optimistically cautious for that exact reason... Now that i know all is well i wont fear falling to sleep after lol...

 

[Michael Phelps]

You're probably right... I was actually afraid that my roommates would knock on my door while I was under the spell of K... So I was anything but relaxed.

Perhaps I'll give it another go in a month or two...

I might try it orally at some point too. I don't like how it only lasts 45 minutes. Although if I got into a K hole, I probably would not want it to last any longer than that!

That was 100% your problem buddy.. K is very similar to D in the fact that you just have to let go... Rather then trying to control it, just put your ipod on, turn off your lights, rail some K, get under your blankets and just drift away...


Ive been curious about oral dose's of K as well. Has anyone tried it orally? Do the effects differ? Is it longer? Do you have to take more? What's the deal? I looked up some stuff on erowid but was quite confused by it.

 

[Tenner]

That was 100% your problem buddy.. K is very similar to D in the fact that you just have to let go... Rather then trying to control it, just put your ipod on, turn off your lights, rail some K, get under your blankets and just drift away...

I`m very interested in this comparison. To me, it seemed relatively more in control than the D experience. I mean the trip is inevitable but the path can be shaped. The only point that bugs me is that D was my first two trips and I`m rating K somewhat 20 trips afterwards so I might be wrong about D being more out of control. What does everybody think about this?

And I remember erowid saying it was longer but I recall they mentioned a laxative effect so must be careful It wouldn`t be nice to come back to this realm with nicely soiled pants

 

[Michael Phelps]

I`m very interested in this comparison. To me, it seemed relatively more in control than the D experience. I mean the trip is inevitable but the path can be shaped. The only point that bugs me is that D was my first two trips and I`m rating K somewhat 20 trips afterwards so I might be wrong about D being more out of control. What does everybody think about this?

And I remember erowid saying it was longer but I recall they mentioned a laxative effect so must be careful It wouldn`t be nice to come back to this realm with nicely soiled pants

Well i can generally shape them both somewhat i guess... But overall i have found that to get the full experience with both it's best to just let go and let the metaphysical world present itself as it see's fit. Im sure the fact that it was your first 2 trips it was a little nuts. For me the experience is just so comfortable that i lay back close my eyes and drift into hyperspace.

Lol thanks for the advice. That truly would be terrible to come back with soiled pants lol. The first time i blasted off on D i could have sworn i pissed and shit myself... Luckily i didnt lol.

 

[Michael Phelps]

So i posted this in a different thread but figures it deserves a spot here to!

I read recently that they have been doing studys with K and depression and how it is an immediate mood booster and how it could seriously help people with depression in small doses... Well last night i was feeling kinda down, not about anything in particular, just not really happy. Anyways i was going to smoke some deems at 12:07 AM(my birth moment exactly 23 years ago), i decided not to smoke the deems due to my kinda depressed mood. I decided it was time to put the k+depression thing to the test and wow... All i can say is WOW... Seriously they need to open up a K line for all those that suffer from serious manic depression. I cant tell you how much this would have helped me a couple years ago. Last night i went from a down mood, to bumping 60mg of k, to being so stoked on life and happy. Everything was just B-E-Autiful!!!


I find it amazing that K effects me so much in such small doses.. Even on just 60mg i was completely blasted. Another 20-30mg and i without a doubt would have been astral projecting like crazy.


For all those who enjoy Pink Floyd, I highly recommend bumping some K and putting on the Wish you were here album.. Seriously by the time the song "the machine" starts you are peaking and that song is perfect for the journey. So funky, so many interesting sounds!


Btw, i love the fact that as soon as im done tripping i can just roll over a fall asleep immediately!

 

[mescalinebandit420]

cant go wrong with no Floyd phelps. ive personally been jamming alot of The Doors lately.

 

[Michael Phelps]

Holly shit bandit! I seriously have listened to the Doors everyday for the past 4-5 days... Always liked them in the past but never seriously took the time to listen to them... No it's as if i cant get enough of them haha.

 

[Haddaway]

2 days after trying 60mg, I went up to 200mg. While it was markedly more intense, I still felt I was quite a bit away from the hole/ OBE. It was really just very confusing. Right after I snorted the lines, I couldn't remember if I had anything important to do the next day. So i was trying very hard to recall what I needed to do. It was extremely difficult to think clearly. Walking was difficult, but not impossible. I was able to hold my phone and read text messages. I did not attempt to send any, and I probably would not have been successful!

At no point did I think I was anywhere but my room... I did forget what I was doing a couple times... I had headphones on, and I was watching trippy youtube videos. I forgot that I was controlling the music! I also paused a video and just starred at it for a few minutes, before I remember to resume the video!

It wasn't the most enjoyable experience. It was not unpleasant, but it just made me very confused, and when I couldn't remember if I had to be up for class the next day, I got anxious and began regretting my decision to dose. The best way to describe my experience was the mind fuck of shrooms, without the silliness, body high, and euphoria of a shroom trip. Therefore, I think it would be great while on Lucy.

In my oppinion, mxe is way stronger and not as clean... To be fair, I did not experience a hole, so perhaps I cannot say that mxe is actually stronger... But mxe definitely had me seeing more visuals and impaired my coordination much more. I don't think I will be chasing the hole in the future. I've concluded that K really isn't my thing.


Sorry that this report is not very concise or well written... I am typing it up as i am remembering it now...

Practice attempting OBEs in your waking life, they get much easier (your trip becomes much more in your control if you have this skill somewhat learned) It took much experience with dissociatives and practice until I was able to OBE/ astral project EVERY trip on will. This made my K experience 100000x more visual than any experience I've ever had. I have found the opposite, Ketamine is 10000000000x more visual than MXE is for me. MXE isn't as dissociating as a NMDA antagonist (aka isn't as potent a NMDA antagonist as ket) and it's kappa opioid function is much higher in comparison (like salvia, it is almost like a lite-ketamine mixed with a huge aspect of Salvia) It is MUCH more salvia like. (So are the hallucinations for MXE) It also isn't as ego-dissolving (MXE) because of the increased DARI effect (dopamine reuptake inhibitor effect), dopamine causes your ego to harden not soften which is why MXE doesn't really induce OBEs like Ketamine does. I find on Ketamine I very readily "disappear" from my surroundings quite easily, and this is a very common side-effect of high dose Ketamine. Everyone has reported that on MXE your ego is always there, and you don't ever really leave your body.. They said it is extremely hard/next to impossible.

 

[Haddaway]

You're probably right... I was actually afraid that my roommates would knock on my door while I was under the spell of K... So I was anything but relaxed.

Perhaps I'll give it another go in a month or two...

I might try it orally at some point too. I don't like how it only lasts 45 minutes. Although if I got into a K hole, I probably would not want it to last any longer than that!

When I tried K it seriously had two parts and lasted like 4 hours or so. The first part was basically me laying down on my bed having an OBE (after I shot a couple hundred mgs IM, there's a thread, don't remember dose) and I flew around and saw everyone in my family and everyone who will be in my family in the future. I flew around and saw a whole bunch of shit I don't remember, but was so insane. I layed there for like 30minutes just seeing so much shit, and then my friend kept on calling me, so eventually that disturbed me, I answered and he picked me up. (right before he picked me up I did some Methylone, which may have prolonged and intensified the trip). What I really think prolonged and intensified it was all the weed I was smoking. After I took a few good rips, I started having stark realizations about reality that were literally shocking me at the deepest depths of my soul. I kept on realizing things that if you realized literally ONE of them on a psychedelic it would be considered a MIND-EXPANDING trip. They were so deep. I should have had a notepad and written them down, as a lot of them were lost to me. I noticed as I was smoking weed, it allowed deep introspection, and the deeper I went in my mind, the harder the hallucinations were getting (this was at least 90 minutes to 120 minutes after the IM shot)
I noticed if I stopped thinking and became pessimistic everything would return to normal and I would stop hallucinating completely. Then I would force myself to get in a meditative state with my eyes open via the deep introspection again. All of a sudden the outside would bend, like it looked like there were HILLS, (Florida's ground is flat as fuck) and the hills would go up and down in a steep slope over and over, and it looked so REALISTIC. The trees were on the hills, and everyting started becoming digital. I ENTERED A DIGITAL REALITY. Everything became blocks, you couldn't see individual leaves anymore, it was like a digital tree with blocks of leaves, thunder was blasting outside, and I was tripping so hard. I then went home maybe an hour or a little less after that and layed on my bed and watched a small light source (such as that small smoke detector light, or a little stereo light) These ALWAYS induce OBES or visual journeys if you are well versed in knowing how to stare at them in the correct way.)
I literally hallucinated over 100 different hallucinatory scenes using this technique. It would make my eyes cross (this is what is supposed to happen) and then a scene would usually unfold that had something to do with a source of light. Sometimes it would become a basketball and float around the room, sometimes I would become a flat glass screen completely across my room, and I could see myself as the screen just chilling there, with reflective properties and all. These are just a SAMPLE of what I saw, you couldn't imagine, nor can my mind barely comprehend it at all..

I felt like writing a mini trip report of my experience FINALLY (Have to get in the mood)
Also, I have GREAT news. I will be getting 3g of Methoxetamine tomorrow or the next day, and I will be getting 1g or so of Ketamex (a brand of Ketamine, it is supposed to be one of the BEST, I was told the Ketamine is in the top 3 the guy has sampled in his 12 years of doing Ketamine, I know he isn't bullshitting) I know people that sampled it, and all of them said it was the BEST, most crystally shit they've ever seen. I am EXCITED.

I will be doing a couple Ket + MXE combos to test the waters on this, and perhaps 1 or 2 DXM + ket combos. Not sure if I wanna venture into MXE + DXM realm, it just doesn't seem right.. It seems sound pharmacologically, but you never know as MXE is not very well researched, which is why I would be very wary of attempting this combo, even though there are a few reports of this, and I can't recall anything too bad, but I don't think I really read them. Just doesn't seem like the best idea is all. I will be having fun enough

I heard Ket + MXE really helps soften the MXE and make it much much more visual and makes it easier to hole. (It was found that the M-hole is very hard to reach if you have a very high NMDA antagonist tolerance, so adding Ket to the mix makes it much easier apparently) Also, the experience was given a huge thumbs up and I am stoked to try it! Hopefully some crazy shit happens I won't go too far though, I am trying to be easier on my mind... I am going to be taking a good break soon, and I've been very light on anything I've been doing lately (mostly just weed and the occasional 2ce trip, etc) I think this will be one exception, as I love K. I wish I had 3g of Ket, and 1g of MXE, but oh well. (Ket is a lot better than MXE, but they're both amazing, so I can't complain)

 

[Puffer Fish]

Hadd, excellent input.
As I personally share Your sentiments and described experiences.
Thank YOU for writing this OUT.

Pleasure to read.

 

[Sr. Verde]

hmmmm


So i railed two 30mg lines... one in each nose [yum] got no drip.... felt it come on like a freight train

sitting there like SLAM. Oh shit. Suddenly felt like I was underwater at 130ft on air...

It was raining, storming..... thunder and lightning tearing up the skies when I tore those two lines (friend doing the same and accompanying me).

anyway I walk outside, into the unknown, towards the sidewalk... take one look down the street and think... "SHIIT." this was as mentally scrambling as peaking on 2 hits of that FIRE needlepoint. Probably tripping even harder.

The whole road, and lights appeared almost as a flat plane. No distance. I could reach out and touch any object. I couldn't see anyone, or anything.. but I feared something was there. And I didn't feel like wandering out into a dark road when I couldn't really SEE on a dissociative. I felt best to play it safe, in case I was REALLY somewhere else. I walked back inside, and then out to the deck and looked off at some sweet reflections on some water. Just kind of stared at that and let my perception TWIST around for like 10 minutes.... THEN I ventured out onto my accompanied stroll around the area.

Trees were fun to watch as they moved past. I felt very connected with the ground, and felt the energy of the earth, and trees and wind... I could feel people down the road in their houses and the energy of their lives and paths.

As we were walking, we saw this light, and joked it was a UFO. It kind of looked like a star, two stars because we couldn't focus our eyes. Then we heard it making a noise... and realized it was a plane..... then it FLEW so loud over our heads about 4000 feet up it seemed.. under the storm clouds.... the light was soooo bright and the noise was so loud. It passed over our heads and disappeared.... me and my buddy looked at each other like, "was that just real?" It was totally a plane, but still intense on K.

 

[Puffer Fish]

Wow ... that is unbelievable that YOU got so much out of 2 two 30mg lines.
Good for You brother. This looked like nice and 'safe' study.
Thank YOU for 'painting' us this picture.

Where do you get this ket from ?