My plants are slowly dying!!!! PLease help

[Bublonichronic]

Typical rollitup,zero advice on how to correct the problem,just comments on others remidies.

The plants are not eating properly,leaves are dropping right now,so come up with a better idea that dont involve a root mass thats possible locked up,lets hear your fix dont skate by on others comments put yourself out there with real grow advice that corrects a problem.

Clogged stoma,yeah rain water is just clogging the shit outta stomas on outdoor plants,you gotta be kidding me.

is their nutriens in rain water? are you kiddin me?

 

[Bublonichronic]

Buuuut, to shut you up, imma say this is a generic problem....flush the plant, clear up the root zone of anything locking it up, pH your water, then feed, simple simple, like every problem on thi site...

 

[watchhowIdoit]

Buuuut, to shut you up, imma say this is a generic problem....flush the plant, clear up the root zone of anything locking it up, pH your water, then feed, simple simple, like every problem on thi site...

How exactly is doing this going to help his problem? Did you even read the entire thread?

 

[watchhowIdoit]

Also I think trying to foliar feed the plant using his present water source would probaly be like pouring kerosene on a campfire. That is if the issue is being caused by a high calcium content in his water. Testing will be the only way to know for sure but I am pretty confident thats whats causing his problems. For now buying R/O water to finish this grow is what I would do if they were my plants. His water source is the issue and is what needs to be addressed. Not saying you cannot grow just fine with 8.5pH-450ppm water(just as an example)because you can. You just need to know what your working with as a base so you can adjust your nutrients accordingly....

 

[MrDank007]

Folliar feeding is going to be the quickest way to clear up a deficiency especially if your soil is locked out from too much Calcium. Treat the plant and clean up the soil at the same time plus the results are faster. As far as nute ratios, heavily dilute when foliar feeding. There may be instructions on the bottle, but I would go with less than 1/4 of what's recommended for soil. People foliar feed all the time...it's not going to clog up your stomata, just don't overdo it.

And yes, you need to switch to distilled or RO water until you can isolate the problem. Go to walmart, homedepot,pet store ect you can get 5-1 test strips for $10 that will test PH, Hardness and everything you would want to know. If you use these types of water going foward, you will need to supplement the Cal-mag back in though. I would flush with good water, folliar feed cal-mag (none on the buds) and start a normal regimen with clean water. I have to go to the store every week to buy water, which is a bitch, but you can see one of my grows on RIU that I came close to destroying before I got off tap. Eventually, I'm just going to buy an RO filter for my house. Not all tap is bad, but if you live in an area where the water is super hard, it can mess up your grows.

 

[Bublonichronic]

How exactly is doing this going to help his problem? Did you even read the entire thread?

are you serious? is will clean his root zone and get food to the plant....your not suited to be giving advice homie, lol

EDIT: to the OP, FoxFarm Tigetbloom is very low nitrogen, you will have to add growbig at about 1tsp per gallon from weeks 2-6ish flower =)

 

[watchhowIdoit]

You both better study up a bit more on how excess calcium affects how nutrient are not only taken up by the roots but also how it affects how nutrients are moved within a plant itself.

 

[watchhowIdoit]

Folliar feeding is going to be the quickest way to clear up a deficiency especially if your soil is locked out from too much Calcium. Treat the plant and clean up the soil at the same time plus the results are faster. As far as nute ratios, heavily dilute when foliar feeding. There may be instructions on the bottle, but I would go with less than 1/4 of what's recommended for soil. People foliar feed all the time...it's not going to clog up your stomata, just don't overdo it.

And yes, you need to switch to distilled or RO water until you can isolate the problem. Go to walmart, homedepot,pet store ect you can get 5-1 test strips for $10 that will test PH, Hardness and everything you would want to know. If you use these types of water going foward, you will need to supplement the Cal-mag back in though. I would flush with good water, folliar feed cal-mag (none on the buds) and start a normal regimen with clean water. I have to go to the store every week to buy water, which is a bitch, but you can see one of my grows on RIU that I came close to destroying before I got off tap. Eventually, I'm just going to buy an RO filter for my house. Not all tap is bad, but if you live in an area where the water is super hard, it can mess up your grows.

The calcium already in the medium will be hard to flush out. And whats in the plant is there until the end or it gets used up, which ever comes first. So With the addition of R/O water for the rest of the grow I think just magnesium(epsom salts) will be all he probaly needs to amend the R/O with, at least for the first couple of weeks until he can get his calcium and magnesium levels back in balance.
This is based on my theory of excess calcium being the root of his issues.

 

[panhead]

is their nutriens in rain water? are you kiddin me?

There are lots of things in rain water,polutants,dust ect,dust particles are covering every surface of an outdoor plant,rain drives particles in every nook & cranny of the plant,all thats irrelevant to begin with,nature intended for the plant to be able to take in nutrients using below & above ground methods,foliar feeding is taught in every basic gardening class,botanical science also teaches foliar treatments.

I personally do not foliar feed my plants either,i grow flood & drain so if i have a def or lock i just dump out the problem & refill with approiate nute levels to correct the problem or def.

Dumping & starting from scratch isnt an issue here,the grow is in soil,to be more specific nutrient laden soil,flushing isnt going to stop the flow of nutes to the roots ,which are most likely locked up from being fertilized with every watering at high nute levels.

You really should study more on treating sick plants before you condem a treatment method,the member watchhowidoit allready properly diagnosed the def, now its about helping correct the def & flushing brings nothing but more of the same problems.

 

[Bublonichronic]

i dont know, i dont see any complex problem here that a STANDARD flush`n`feed wont fix....but fuck, spray what you want on her....good luck OP

EDIT: @panhead "Dumping & starting from scratch isnt an issue here,the grow is in soil,to be more specific nutrient laden soil,flushing isnt going to stop the flow of nutes to the roots ,which are most likely locked up from being fertilized with every watering at high nute levels"

the whole idea of flushing is to get the shit out of the soil...how much water you will need to flush depends on how bad ur shits locked up or whatever...then you re apply the food, you flushed out, in moderation according to what the plant needs.... ....this dont right WILL FIX HIS PROBLEM in a couple days..........

 

[panhead]

The calcium already in the medium will be hard to flush out. And whats in the plant is there until the end or it gets used up, which ever comes first. So With the addition of R/O water for the rest of the grow I think just magnesium(epsom salts) will be all he probaly needs to amend the R/O with, at least for the first couple of weeks until he can get his calcium and magnesium levels back in balance.
This is based on my theory of excess calcium being the root of his issues.

I think its a pretty clear diagnosis of where the problem lies,im not an expert on water but after looking at the nute content of his soil & ferts the water is a likely suspect so were in agreement.

I too think that epsom as a booster is spot on but i bypassed that & opted for reccomending hydroplex,from what i see with new growers is most have problems using epsom,i dont know why but most chose bottled ferts instead cause the epsom usually leads to more questions & misunderstanding with them.

I also agree that his water source shouldnt be used to foliar treat with as it will only amplify the problem,i cautioned the op against using his water to water with but forgot to include the foliar aspect of pure water,good call on your part.

 

[panhead]

i dont know, i dont see any complex problem here that a STANDARD flush`n`feed wont fix....but fuck, spray what you want on her....good luck OP

EDIT: @panhead "Dumping & starting from scratch isnt an issue here,the grow is in soil,to be more specific nutrient laden soil,flushing isnt going to stop the flow of nutes to the roots ,which are most likely locked up from being fertilized with every watering at high nute levels"

the whole idea of flushing is to get the shit out of the soil...how much water you will need to flush depends on how bad ur shits locked up or whatever...then you re apply the food, you flushed out,

I understand flushing,what i dont understand is why your blind as to why it isnt going to solve this issue,flush & restart is the most basic advice given round here for every problem its no wonder it does very little to help most new growers.

As for saying a member isnt qualified to give advice have you even followed any of this members postings to see his methods ?

I have some issues where i dont see eye to eye with a few small issues with his methods but on a whole he is one of the best versed growers on this site,ive learned from his postings,maybe if you put your pride away for a bit you could learn something as well.

 

[MrDank007]

This op needs to flush. I think that is clear. Maybe twice if calcium overload.
When he flushes he going to enhance/create new deficiencies if he does not folliar feed. Flush, folliar feed and get back on a reg schedule with RO or distilled water.

 

[Bublonichronic]

I understand flushing,what i dont understand is why your blind as to why it isnt going to solve this issue,flush & restart is the most basic advice given round here for every problem its no wonder it does very little to help most new growers.

As for saying a member isnt qualified to give advice have you even followed any of this members postings to see his methods ?

I have some issues where i dont see eye to eye with a few small issues with his methods but on a whole he is one of the best versed growers on this site,ive learned from his postings,maybe if you put your pride away for a bit you could learn something as well.

whatever bro...you say basic advice...i say the key to most problems in this section of the fourm.... i dont see any reason to over complicate, EXPECIALLY for new growers, simple to the point, and what will FOR SURE work, im mean really, how long will it take after you clean the root zone, and put the right amount of nutes back in for the plant to start showing newer better growth 2-3 days? i just want the OP to have some good smoke ...

 

[Bublonichronic]

This op needs to flush. I think that is clear. Maybe twice if calcium overload.
When he flushes he going to enhance/create new deficiencies if he does not folliar feed. Flush, folliar feed and get back on a reg schedule with RO or distilled water.

thats what i call a common ground, ahha + rep

 

[MrDank007]

thats what i call a common ground, ahha + rep

Gracias. Calcium lockout is a real bitch. Been there done that. Most see it and just scream deficiency! Dump this in it! Then they fry the plant. Kudos to the op if he found water to be his issue on the first grow. Took my dumbass two before I realized it was just the water all along.

 

[amendment]

ok Ill do the foilar feeding, but when I do this should I still water the plants with its normal feeding solution as per my normal feeding cycle? I am very cautious with my girls so I want to have as much info at my disposal lol.....oh and if it is my water that is causing the problem is it still ok to use it despite the high calcium content or should I use bottle water or something?

 

[amendment]

Well to be clear Ive had this problem for a while and it has been a slowly progessing one, which is why I believe it is my water as I have been gentle on the nutes and flushed it like 3 weeks ago. Of course I flushed it with the problematic water so there ya go. I wonder if you guys know what may be a cheap way to get good water? Should I buy bottled or get a water faucet filter such as this one

http://www.homedepot.com/Kitchen-Water-Dispensers-Filters-Faucet-Mounted-Filters/h_d1/N-5yc1vZbtys/R-202073844/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

I am going to foilar feed and for the time being feed my roots as per my normal schedule until I find a cost effective way to flush my soil....because flushing with bottled water wont be cheap lol....and thanks to everyones advice btw it will be nice not to have my first grow end in utter failure lol

 

[Bublonichronic]

How much calcium is in ur water, just outa curiousity

 

[amendment]

I just got home with the test strips......but nothing in the kit is for calcium specifically but Ill post my results for the water in a few