Pictures of seeding and clone,
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How did you let that bigger plant get to that sorry state before looking for help on it? Not a single leaf is healthy on that plant. The big one at least is showing signs of multiple deficiencies, and possibly light/heat burn. The smaller plant is also in a very sorry state, warping leaves, claws...
I wouldnt know where to begin. If you seriously want help (and I can tell you your plants seriously want help) you need to tell us what soil mix that is, what the pH is of the soil, pH of the water you are feeding, what nutes you are feeding, what lights you are using... we cant just look at it and tell you right away what it is, especially in a plant exhibiting signs of possibly more than 3 deficiencies at once.
My guess is bad pH causing nute lockout. Those plants are really sad. It makes me sad looking at them :/ The "white tips" are the least of your worries right now...
I wouldnt know where to begin. If you seriously want help (and I can tell you your plants seriously want help) you need to tell us what soil mix that is, what the pH is of the soil, pH of the water you are feeding, what nutes you are feeding, what lights you are using... we cant just look at it and tell you right away what it is, especially in a plant exhibiting signs of possibly more than 3 deficiencies at once.
My guess is bad pH causing nute lockout. Those plants are really sad. It makes me sad looking at them :/ The "white tips" are the least of your worries right now...
scunkworm
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This is my second thread on it, the last one a guy told me to feed them and another said that it was lockout' he said to flush them with plane water, then wait 24hrs and feed with 1/4 nute and 1/2 t-spoon epsom salts and peroxide, microwave the epsom salts for 50sec's and mix it in a spray bottle and give to the plants.
I done everything apart from the peroxide as the only stuff i got here is the hair stuff, seen them next morning and there way white starting to come on the margins and tips, the seedlings not that bad considering the clone, but the mom's got somewhat the same problems are the clone, ph is 6.5 going in and the runoff ios 6.3-6.4,
I done everything apart from the peroxide as the only stuff i got here is the hair stuff, seen them next morning and there way white starting to come on the margins and tips, the seedlings not that bad considering the clone, but the mom's got somewhat the same problems are the clone, ph is 6.5 going in and the runoff ios 6.3-6.4,
Wow, feeding nutes/epsom salt/peroxide together on an already sick plant... great idea, whoever gave you that advice...
Stop feeding nutes. Its already showing signs of nute burn. Epsom salt is supplemental as a nute. Dont feed it anymore of that for now. Peroxide is basically bacteria poisin, it kills weak living matter and oxygenates roots (which would be helpful if not for the next sentence). Most importantly, it killed the beneficial bacteria in your soil.
So what you need to do now is be careful with everything. Regarding lights, I would move them a couple inches away for CFL/6+ inches away for MH. Let your plants relax a bit. Feed nothing but water every other day for a week. Your ph and everything is pretty much perfect (could even feed a little lower if you wanted to) so that tells me the problem is in the feeding.
BTW what soil is this? If not a quality soil, get some foxfarms. It looks like FF though so who knows.
(also thats a LOT of stretch. IF these guys heal up, get your lights a lot closer. but for now, farther away is safe)
Stop feeding nutes. Its already showing signs of nute burn. Epsom salt is supplemental as a nute. Dont feed it anymore of that for now. Peroxide is basically bacteria poisin, it kills weak living matter and oxygenates roots (which would be helpful if not for the next sentence). Most importantly, it killed the beneficial bacteria in your soil.
So what you need to do now is be careful with everything. Regarding lights, I would move them a couple inches away for CFL/6+ inches away for MH. Let your plants relax a bit. Feed nothing but water every other day for a week. Your ph and everything is pretty much perfect (could even feed a little lower if you wanted to) so that tells me the problem is in the feeding.
BTW what soil is this? If not a quality soil, get some foxfarms. It looks like FF though so who knows.
(also thats a LOT of stretch. IF these guys heal up, get your lights a lot closer. but for now, farther away is safe)
Howard Stern
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I agree with blackxs, my first palnts were like that and I bumped them into some FFOF soil and also got my PH in the high 6's and the problem went away. I would feed the big one once she bounces back but my lil ladies I don't feed them anything when they are that small FFOF has plenty of nutes to carry them for a while. Don't get feed crazy on your lil ones! They don't need much to be nice and healty!
scunkworm
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Its viatmix-pro soil really high q, holland made and tested, got some good things init when i looked it up on holland hydrophonics.
ganjaluva2009
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flush right now if u can.....yeah..i ph my flush water to 7.0
Was your last feeding with that molotav cocktail of nutes? If so, water now. Water until you have water coming out the bottom of the pot. Then water a *teensy* bit more.
Then let it dry out at least a full day before thinking about watering again. Since you may be feeding it twice in one day (its fine with adequete drainage) make sure it dries sufficiently before the next watering.
Also - any water you feed your plants should be ph'd to at least 6.8, ideally even a little lower (not sure waht you meant by "with just ph'd water or ph'd to 6.8?"). Maximum nute absorbtion (varies from nute to nute) averages at 6.0 - but since soil is usually acidic, feeding at 6.5 usually gives ~6 to the roots. So make sure from now on you do not feed 7.0 water, your plants will always want 6.5
As a general rule of thumb PPM should stay at 1000 or less. Worry about that when the time comes. Right now you need to focus on trying to keep your girls alive...
edit: and no, no nutes to replace whats coming out. Whats coming out is an excessive amount of different kinds of nutrients and supplements. Flushing is to clean the soil and get that stuff out. The soil has nutes. The plant can live off just water and soil for a decent amount of time. In this particular situation you would have been better off waiting until the plant showed nute deficiencies (used all the soil's nutes) before feeding. Now you will be flushing a little of the soil's own nutrients out but it can still support the plant
Then let it dry out at least a full day before thinking about watering again. Since you may be feeding it twice in one day (its fine with adequete drainage) make sure it dries sufficiently before the next watering.
Also - any water you feed your plants should be ph'd to at least 6.8, ideally even a little lower (not sure waht you meant by "with just ph'd water or ph'd to 6.8?"). Maximum nute absorbtion (varies from nute to nute) averages at 6.0 - but since soil is usually acidic, feeding at 6.5 usually gives ~6 to the roots. So make sure from now on you do not feed 7.0 water, your plants will always want 6.5
As a general rule of thumb PPM should stay at 1000 or less. Worry about that when the time comes. Right now you need to focus on trying to keep your girls alive...
edit: and no, no nutes to replace whats coming out. Whats coming out is an excessive amount of different kinds of nutrients and supplements. Flushing is to clean the soil and get that stuff out. The soil has nutes. The plant can live off just water and soil for a decent amount of time. In this particular situation you would have been better off waiting until the plant showed nute deficiencies (used all the soil's nutes) before feeding. Now you will be flushing a little of the soil's own nutrients out but it can still support the plant
scunkworm
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What i also ment by everything ph'd 6.5, i ph my water, nutes and water at 6.5 sometimes 6.7-6.8.
ganjaluva2009
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after the flush, let the plant dry out, then feed on ur next watering...
If you wanted to you could feed water every day for the next 2 days (assuming you watered today) then let it dry for at least a day, probably 2 then feed next morning.
Personally, with a plant in THAT bad of shape, trying to hurry the healing process along may not be a bad idea... its losing a lot of photosynthesis off all that dead foilage and curling leaves. The faster you can help heal it the better - those leaves that are damaged will not heal so you need to try to clean that soil and get some healthy new growth on top of that plant as soon as you can. If these arent feminized seeds its likely this plant will become a male (stress often leads to males) so that is something to keep in mind as well.
Good luck!
Personally, with a plant in THAT bad of shape, trying to hurry the healing process along may not be a bad idea... its losing a lot of photosynthesis off all that dead foilage and curling leaves. The faster you can help heal it the better - those leaves that are damaged will not heal so you need to try to clean that soil and get some healthy new growth on top of that plant as soon as you can. If these arent feminized seeds its likely this plant will become a male (stress often leads to males) so that is something to keep in mind as well.
Good luck!