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nubb4grow

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I am not worried about space and i have all the time i need so i figured i would grow 2 large plants. My question is for the big plant growers. What would you have done differently? I have a 1000 hps lamp for the flowering and i am wondering how big can i get these plants and still have better than average light penetration? I have some ideas of my own that involve cfls, t5s or leds for supplementary lighting. What would you do if you were trying to grow a plant as big and bushy as you could? I am talking max yield per bud site. :peace:
 
edux10

edux10

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You will need co2 because plants can't photosynth. too much light without it. co2 lets your plants absorb more light..
 
panhead

panhead

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I used to be a "big plant grower" but thanks to AL-BFUKED ive seen the light,for max yeild there is no indoor method that can compare with a SOG grow.

If you want max yeild look into doing a sea of green grow,im half way through setting up a 4 cycle sog right now & i can allready see how much more yeild i will have over growing monster plants,big plants are much harder to light the lesser bud sites plus the majority of the weight comes from the main cola,why not just grow all main colas & forget lesser bud sites all together.

I will never grow monster plants indoors again,monsters are for outdoors for me.
 
LION~of~ZION

LION~of~ZION

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agree with panhead

I've grown quite a few monsters indoors with hydro drip buckets and they are a pain in the butt to maintain.

The bud sites are constantly fighting for light and the work involved becomes tedious in order to keep them all happy.

SOG is nice

I just like to have a main cola with very few branches now. Pack em' in.

I once had a 38 branch bud monster along with three other plants nearly as big in a small indoor space...what a bitch!
 
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nubb4grow

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It seems if you take care of the new growth like an individual plant then all of the areas which seem to get bigger and barer as size increases would be capable to take care of almost as much weed as the cola. I'm not wondering if its practical but if you were going to do it how would you. Then we'll see if its practical.
 
panhead

panhead

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The only way to take care of monster plants is to keep a real sharp eye on them & work your ass off maintaining them,rotating them,pulling branches into the light & tieing them off ect,its a constant cycle of work.

Without topping or some form of lst a monster plant or 2 can gobble up all the light from a 1,000 watter & still not enough penetration to get all the light needed to the lesser bud sites.

Imagine all your plants efforst & energy directed at one bud & one bud alone,fast-n-fat buds,it boggles the mine i tell ya .
 
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nubb4grow

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OK well what if you grew a plant that was tall enough you could veg the bottom and flower the top. And as the new growth was large enough it would enter the flowering light. That way you wouldn't need a mother plant and you could have continuous buds from one plant. A large plant may have some use then. (i am being forced to veg a long time because my hps is being sent back to sunsystems for some work) I just fig give me a chance to do some experimenting. But other than co2 i think supplementary lighting would be the most important thing. you could use cfls or leds in the foliage. Would something like this be possible or would the nutes not co-exist?
 
natmoon

natmoon

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nubb4grow said:
OK well what if you grew a plant that was tall enough you could veg the bottom and flower the top. And as the new growth was large enough it would enter the flowering light. That way you wouldn't need a mother plant and you could have continuous buds from one plant. A large plant may have some use then. (i am being forced to veg a long time because my hps is being sent back to sunsystems for some work) I just fig give me a chance to do some experimenting. But other than co2 i think supplementary lighting would be the most important thing. you could use cfls or leds in the foliage. Would something like this be possible or would the nutes not co-exist?
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People that grow in the manner that you are wanting to,use professional cfl bulbs and hang them in between the lower stems.:blsmoke:
 
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nubb4grow

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I have been forced to use cfls while my light is m.i.a. and i have been impressed with the idea of a combination of hid and cfl. So here is my idea divide the plant into four vertical sections first section expose it to the flowering stage until harvest, cut it and put it back into veg, take another 1/4 of the 2/3's of the next section which has been vegging the entire time and put it into the 12/12 cycle and repeat the process. Maybe by the time you make it around the plant the first section will be ready to flower again. I know this is out there but i think the growing of cannabis is behind the curve. There needs to be new ideas floating around. The use of leds or cfls would work great with the vegging or even providing specific light under the hid during the flowering stage. Basically i would like to turn one plant into four and then regrow the four sections as many times as possible. Is this an idea or am i just jacking off?
 
natmoon

natmoon

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nubb4grow said:
Are there other grows which veg and flower at the same time?
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Its not something i know for sure anything about but i would assume that if you put the top into flower the lower half will flower regardless of the lower sections light cycle as the plant is one thing and the plant itself will always look after its tops before its lower sections.

So basically imo if you change the physiology of the top the bottom will follow regardless of the light cycle as you have induced a chemical change at the top of the plant.
I don't think your idea would work but i don't know for sure.:blsmoke:
 
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nubb4grow

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So no top to bottom. What about left to right. If you quartered off the plant then you could veg 3 parts and flower 1 (or any other combination) that way while you are flowering you have a veg waiting to go. And then while the other section(s) are flowering the part you just harvested would be cut back and re-vegging with the other veg plant(s).
 
dertmagert

dertmagert

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but u know what.. id be very interested in seeing the results.. u would have to make each section of the plant lightproof from the other ( this would be difficult as the plant will be growing ) .. if you dont, when u have one section flowering u will be interupting its dark cycle with light leaking in from the other sections (this causes hermies and other problems )


but nonetheless, the human body is my inspiration into thinking this may be possible..think about elephant man.. or those people u see on TV that "had a 300 lb tumor removed and lived to talk about it". . what if you were to pull it off, and u got these thick ass retarded lookin elephant buds.. haha.. man, when your high anything is possible (imagination is great)
 
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nubb4grow

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I think i might give it a shot i mean you are right about the lighting other than that the plant would be vegging while its flowering and maybe this would cause more photosynthesis that would in turn produce more bud in the flowering sections just because the plant would be in 2 different phases doesn't mean one stage could not contribute to the other. I think it could be interesting and potentially possible. If it did work you wouldn't need a mother plant and you could use less space for a grow cab. I think with the combination of different lights and lst it would yield steady bud. Hell you could time it for a harvest every 2 weeks and that would give 2.5 months for the area you cut back to veg before it would be time to put into flowering. I am not sure about the nutes......
 
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gsxrboy22

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LION~of~ZION said:
agree with panhead

I've grown quite a few monsters indoors with hydro drip buckets and they are a pain in the butt to maintain.

The bud sites are constantly fighting for light and the work involved becomes tedious in order to keep them all happy.

SOG is nice

I just like to have a main cola with very few branches now. Pack em' in.

I once had a 38 branch bud monster along with three other plants nearly as big in a small indoor space...what a bitch!
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brett was the shit..all around good guy
 
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nubb4grow

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gsxrboy22 said:
brett was the shit..all around good guy
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I agree a 38 branch plant is a monster and that is kind of what sparked this idea. Marijuana is a beast of a plant and as far as growing indoors i do not think we have scratched the surface of the potential. I have heard stories of 100 year old plants! We control the environment. We control what is breaths where it grows how it grows, what it eats.....everything. Just think if you could some how max out each branch of the 38 branch monster relatively easy. The quantity and quantity of the yield would be amazing. I am not saying this particular method is even possible. I just respect THE plant. This site is supposed to be full of a bunch of "non-conforming rebels" and yet we can not seem to think outside the box when it comes to our beloved plants. I think the power of one plant is worth investigating. I have clones ready to go i just would like to have some more constructive criticism before i begin.
 
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nubb4grow

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That is the same idea, lol im glad its not just me then. In my head it would be in a cab and no screen but a screen might be better. I was thinking of tying or some sort of lst. I think the bag could potential cause some problems. But i like the thought of just being able to bag your plant up and put it to sleep lol.

I think not only the light but the other environmental conditions should be separated so it might be easier to make the set up more permanent. And co2 would be a must because of all the photosynthesis a big plant would have to go though to up take all the light that will be needed. A cab would help with this. Also smaller the environment means less resources needed to control it.

It would be hard to keep the veg section under control but only until the first harvest. After, i would imagine, the sections would be more defined and all of the growth would be at different stages. I picture it something like a spiral. Tallest part being the flowering and the smallest would be the new growth from the recent harvest. Could you imagine the stalk how big around it would get after 2 full harvest.
 
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