Proposed Changes to Michigan Medical Marijuana Law
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I think nowadays Murfy the public official usually tells the person looking to chat that he or she does not have time for them right now. I also believe if you try to assert yourself the public official calls the cops and they write you a tresspassing ticket and tell you not to ever return.
Only see a few bad ones.
Pimpernickel
Well-Known Member
I think some of the one's you've marked good are awful 4661, 505, 4852, 4850 are really bad IMO. I would think SB321 is going to pass for sure.
stumpjumper
Well-Known Member
You think outlawing all but patient to caregiver transactions is good? That would make it impossible for a new patient to acquire clones or seeds. Well not impossible, but illegal.
jamiesname
Well-Known Member
This thread just made up my mind. I'll make the three hour drive to Lansing on the 7th. I hope to see you guys there.
Stumpjumper, would you mind posting the mass e-mail link that you mentioned?
Thanks in advance.
Stumpjumper, would you mind posting the mass e-mail link that you mentioned?
Thanks in advance.
stumpjumper
Well-Known Member
I would but, it's at michiganmedicalmarijuana.org (MMMA) I would gladly post it but for some reason I can't log in over there.
why not? lol
tell them.
tell them.
stumpjumper
Well-Known Member
Ohh I'm gonna, that's getting it's own dedicated fucking post though.
BlackMesa
Active Member
These 2 that you have listed as "good" will making having a card pointless for so many people!
Think harder when trying to interpret whats good and whats bad...Jeez!
This isn't just schools, it's any place of religion & day cares too! Grab any city and go to google maps and start filling in 500 feet circles around these places and you will quickly notice that 50% of the people can't grow! You listed it as good because your not next to one of these places. This is very bad for a whole lot of people!
Shit dude! this is worse yet! A township can set the ordinance to whatever they want, This is a blank check to kill the law at the township level. Example: You need special insurance, Steal door, No households with children, special meter to monitor utility usage, no this, non of that, lots of this....etc... This is a law killer in some areas!
Think harder when trying to interpret whats good and whats bad...Jeez!
there is a restaurant called the Red Mesa up here, very very good.
your good may be my bad as well as my bad may be good for you. they are all opinions
your good may be my bad as well as my bad may be good for you. they are all opinions
BlackMesa
Active Member
I understand that was just his opinion but if the goal is to figure out which amendments will hurt or hinder medical marijuana patients current rights, we need to think a little, do a decent cause and effect assessment and figure out the sneaky ones they toss in there that are blank checks for opposing non medical supporters.
jamiesname
Well-Known Member
Here's the website for the Michigan House of Representitives and Michigan State Senate. There is a tool on both sites where you can enter your address to locate your rep. From there you can go to their page to contact them. Do just that, and let them know what you think about their proposed changes. Call, e-mail, write, do whatever it takes to make your voice heard. Be sure to be specific though. I think that most of us agree that some of the proposed changes are beneficial, and at the very least some of them could actually help to lessen a negative public image of the average MMJ user.
http://www.house.mi.gov/mhrpublic/
And here is the link to locate your senator:
http://www.senate.michigan.gov/FindYourSenator/byaddress.htm
http://www.house.mi.gov/mhrpublic/
And here is the link to locate your senator:
http://www.senate.michigan.gov/FindYourSenator/byaddress.htm
jamiesname
Well-Known Member
I've provided my letter to my represenative for you guys to copy in case you don't want to type it out. Hopefully by saving you guys some time, you'll be more inclined to contact your rep/senator 
. I've left my opinions in case there are people who don't care, or that agree with me so that it saves you even more time. Use the links in my post above to find your representative and senetor and e-mail, fax, mail, call, etc with this info:
Representative,
I hope this letter finds you well. I amwriting to you in regards to the meeting on September 7th regarding Michigan'smedical marijuana policy. As my representative I urge you to protect my interests regarding this issue. I support medical marijuana 100%, but I agree that certain aspects of this law need to be addressed. Below you will find a list of the proposed changes along with my opinion.
HB4661 - Yes; but only regarding schools and day care centers. Churches should be removed from this list by citing the separation of church and state.
HB4852 - No; Every resident in the State of Michigan should have the same right(s) as the other. MMJ users should beable to keep a cheap, reliable, and consistent supply of medication regardless of where they live.
HB4397 - Yes; Compassion clubs are more of a social organization and should not be covered under Michigan's MMJ law.
HB4850 - Yes; that is the point of the registration process.
HB4851 - No; Some patients do not want their primary caregiver to know that they are a MMJ patient for personal reasons, such as privacy, or that particular caregiver's personal opinion regarding MMJ.Patients should be able to go to any legitimate doctor that they feel the most comfortable with in regards to MMJ.
HB4856 - Yes; Medical marijuana should not be accessible while driving for the safety of everyone involved.
HB4854 - No; Caregivers should be able to advertise in order to fill any open slot. In most cases being a caregiver is a thankless position to begin with. Having the maximum amount of patients will help to absorb the cost of producing medicine.
HB4834 - Yes; Medical marijuana cards should have a picture on them to help prevent false representation of a patient. However, they should still be used in conjunction with a state issued ID.
HB4853 - Yes; To prevent illegal use.
Thank you for your time and consideration,
Your name - and address if you want to leave it.
Senator,
I hope this letter finds you well. I am writing to you in regards to the meeting on September 7th regarding Michigan's medical marijuana policy. As a resident within your district I urge you to protect my interests regarding this issue. I support medical marijuana 100%, but I agree that certain aspects of this law need to be addressed. Below you will find a list of the proposed changes along with my opinion.
SB 377 - No; Medical Marijuana patients have a right to privacy that should be protected, and our representatives have the obligation to ensure its protection.
SB 17 - Yes; Compassion clubs are more of a social organization and should not be covered under Michigan's MMJ law
SB504 - Yes; But only regarding schools. Churches should be removed from this list by citing the separation of church and state."Transfer" should be defined to specify the sale, or trade of medical marijuana so that it is not confused with transferring a legal quantity MMJ from point A to point B.
SB418 - No; A person should have the right to sue if acity refuses to acknowledge any law within the State of Michigan.
SB505 - Yes; Felons should not be allowed the responsibility of dispensing medication to other people. However, felonies should be exempted from this after a specified time frame.
SB506 - No; Some patients do not want their primary caregiver to know that they are a MMJ patient for personal reasons such as privacy, or that particular doctor's personal opinion regarding MMJ. Patients should be able to go to any legitimate doctor that they feel the most comfortable with in regards to MMJ
SB321 - No; Insurance companies should cover medical marijuana.
SB618 - No; Growing medical marijuana is a science, and different patients grow it to target different symptoms. A handful of companiest hat grow medical marijuana in a general manner cannot target every individual. A patient who grows their own medicine is also in control of what fertilizer, and/or pesticides, if any, are put on the plants.
Thank you for your time and consideration,
Jamie
An OIF Veteran and Medical Marijuana patient.
Zip Code 48###
. I've left my opinions in case there are people who don't care, or that agree with me so that it saves you even more time. Use the links in my post above to find your representative and senetor and e-mail, fax, mail, call, etc with this info:Representative,
I hope this letter finds you well. I amwriting to you in regards to the meeting on September 7th regarding Michigan'smedical marijuana policy. As my representative I urge you to protect my interests regarding this issue. I support medical marijuana 100%, but I agree that certain aspects of this law need to be addressed. Below you will find a list of the proposed changes along with my opinion.
HB4661 - Yes; but only regarding schools and day care centers. Churches should be removed from this list by citing the separation of church and state.
HB4852 - No; Every resident in the State of Michigan should have the same right(s) as the other. MMJ users should beable to keep a cheap, reliable, and consistent supply of medication regardless of where they live.
HB4397 - Yes; Compassion clubs are more of a social organization and should not be covered under Michigan's MMJ law.
HB4850 - Yes; that is the point of the registration process.
HB4851 - No; Some patients do not want their primary caregiver to know that they are a MMJ patient for personal reasons, such as privacy, or that particular caregiver's personal opinion regarding MMJ.Patients should be able to go to any legitimate doctor that they feel the most comfortable with in regards to MMJ.
HB4856 - Yes; Medical marijuana should not be accessible while driving for the safety of everyone involved.
HB4854 - No; Caregivers should be able to advertise in order to fill any open slot. In most cases being a caregiver is a thankless position to begin with. Having the maximum amount of patients will help to absorb the cost of producing medicine.
HB4834 - Yes; Medical marijuana cards should have a picture on them to help prevent false representation of a patient. However, they should still be used in conjunction with a state issued ID.
HB4853 - Yes; To prevent illegal use.
Thank you for your time and consideration,
Your name - and address if you want to leave it.
Senator,
I hope this letter finds you well. I am writing to you in regards to the meeting on September 7th regarding Michigan's medical marijuana policy. As a resident within your district I urge you to protect my interests regarding this issue. I support medical marijuana 100%, but I agree that certain aspects of this law need to be addressed. Below you will find a list of the proposed changes along with my opinion.
SB 377 - No; Medical Marijuana patients have a right to privacy that should be protected, and our representatives have the obligation to ensure its protection.
SB 17 - Yes; Compassion clubs are more of a social organization and should not be covered under Michigan's MMJ law
SB504 - Yes; But only regarding schools. Churches should be removed from this list by citing the separation of church and state."Transfer" should be defined to specify the sale, or trade of medical marijuana so that it is not confused with transferring a legal quantity MMJ from point A to point B.
SB418 - No; A person should have the right to sue if acity refuses to acknowledge any law within the State of Michigan.
SB505 - Yes; Felons should not be allowed the responsibility of dispensing medication to other people. However, felonies should be exempted from this after a specified time frame.
SB506 - No; Some patients do not want their primary caregiver to know that they are a MMJ patient for personal reasons such as privacy, or that particular doctor's personal opinion regarding MMJ. Patients should be able to go to any legitimate doctor that they feel the most comfortable with in regards to MMJ
SB321 - No; Insurance companies should cover medical marijuana.
SB618 - No; Growing medical marijuana is a science, and different patients grow it to target different symptoms. A handful of companiest hat grow medical marijuana in a general manner cannot target every individual. A patient who grows their own medicine is also in control of what fertilizer, and/or pesticides, if any, are put on the plants.
Thank you for your time and consideration,
Jamie
An OIF Veteran and Medical Marijuana patient.
Zip Code 48###
BlackMesa
Active Member
You contradict yourself?!?!I've provided my letter to my represenative for you guys to copy in case you don't want to type it out. Hopefully by saving you guys some time, you'll be more inclined to contact your rep/senator
Representative,
I hope this letter finds you well. I amwriting to you in regards to the meeting on September 7th regarding Michigan'smedical marijuana policy. As my representative I urge you to protect my interests regarding this issue. I support medical marijuana 100%, but I agree that certain aspects of this law need to be addressed. Below you will find a list of the proposed changes along with my opinion.
HB4661 - Yes; but only regarding schools and day care centers. Churches should be removed from this list by citing the separation of church and state.
HB4852 - No; Every resident in the State of Michigan should have the same right(s) as the other. MMJ users should beable to keep a cheap, reliable, and consistent supply of medication regardless of where they live.
HB4397 - Yes; Compassion clubs are more of a social organization and should not be covered under Michigan's MMJ law.
HB4850 - Yes; that is the point of the registration process.
HB4851 - No; Some patients do not want their primary caregiver to know that they are a MMJ patient for personal reasons, such as privacy, or that particular caregiver's personal opinion regarding MMJ.Patients should be able to go to any legitimate doctor that they feel the most comfortable with in regards to MMJ.
HB4856 - Yes; Medical marijuana should not be accessible while driving for the safety of everyone involved.
HB4854 - No; Caregivers should be able to advertise in order to fill any open slot. In most cases being a caregiver is a thankless position to begin with. Having the maximum amount of patients will help to absorb the cost of producing medicine.
HB4834 - Yes; Medical marijuana cards should have a picture on them to help prevent false representation of a patient. However, they should still be used in conjunction with a state issued ID.
HB4853 - Yes; To prevent illegal use.
Thank you for your time and consideration,
Your name - and address if you want to leave it.
Senator,
I hope this letter finds you well. I am writing to you in regards to the meeting on September 7th regarding Michigan's medical marijuana policy. As a resident within your district I urge you to protect my interests regarding this issue. I support medical marijuana 100%, but I agree that certain aspects of this law need to be addressed. Below you will find a list of the proposed changes along with my opinion.
SB 377 - No; Medical Marijuana patients have a right to privacy that should be protected, and our representatives have the obligation to ensure its protection.
SB 17 - Yes; Compassion clubs are more of a social organization and should not be covered under Michigan's MMJ law
SB504 - Yes; But only regarding schools. Churches should be removed from this list by citing the separation of church and state."Transfer" should be defined to specify the sale, or trade of medical marijuana so that it is not confused with transferring a legal quantity MMJ from point A to point B.
SB418 - No; A person should have the right to sue if acity refuses to acknowledge any law within the State of Michigan.
SB505 - Yes; Felons should not be allowed the responsibility of dispensing medication to other people. However, felonies should be exempted from this after a specified time frame.
SB506 - No; Some patients do not want their primary caregiver to know that they are a MMJ patient for personal reasons such as privacy, or that particular doctor's personal opinion regarding MMJ. Patients should be able to go to any legitimate doctor that they feel the most comfortable with in regards to MMJ
SB321 - No; Insurance companies should cover medical marijuana.
SB618 - No; Growing medical marijuana is a science, and different patients grow it to target different symptoms. A handful of companiest hat grow medical marijuana in a general manner cannot target every individual. A patient who grows their own medicine is also in control of what fertilizer, and/or pesticides, if any, are put on the plants.
Thank you for your time and consideration,
Jamie
An OIF Veteran and Medical Marijuana patient.
Zip Code 48###
You think: "Every resident in the State of Michigan should have the same right(s) as the other. MMJ users should beable to keep a cheap, reliable, and consistent supply of medication regardless of where they live."
Yet... not for anyone who lives by a school or daycare? How can I have the same rights regardless of where I live?
By the way, when you supported that amendment, you supported churches being on there too because they "are" part of the package too. As you can tell I live by a school or daycare and think this is bullshit! Thanks for supporting something that makes my rights less than yours....
BlackMesa
Active Member
Here is a letter that doesn't have discrimination and or doesn't criminalize legal growers. The original author give's permission to copy and distribute.
Dear ,
As a voter, lifelong Michigan resident and a Medical Marijuana patient, I am alarmed by the recent flood of bills regarding Medical Marijuana which have been introduced into the House and Senate and currently are in the Judiciary Committee.
When we passed the MMMA of 2008 with 63% of the vote, the Michigan voters intended to provide Medical Marijuana patients with a defense against prosecution for growing or using Marijuana. The recent bills are a blatant attempt, by a small group of legislators who do not represent the beliefs of the majority of Michigan voters, to re-criminalize medical marijuana, violating the intent of the very Law they claim to be “clarifying”. These Legislators are attempting to make it impossible or illegal, for legal patients to obtain Medical Marijuana, putting up unreasonable barriers to legal patients trying to get access to Medical Marijuana.
**move this later** I find it telling that some of the first bills introduced were regarding how Michigan could use profits from items seized in drug cases (which Bill is this??), and not allowing people to sue cities when they violate our rights (SB 0418, I think?).
HB 4397: Outlaw Compassion Clubs. It is un-Constitutional to deny the right of free association to law-obeying citizens. (I don’t know, is that true?) It puts up a barrier to new Medical Marijuana finding a Caregiver.
H.B. No. 4661: This criminalizes any growing within 500 ft of a church, school or day care. This Bill violates individual rights, and criminalizes legal behavior. In the town where I live, as in many small towns, if this were implemented, there would be NO area where growing would be allowed, which prevents access to our Medicine. The bill is discriminatory, based on a prejudiced belief that all Medical Marijuana patients are engaged in criminal behavior that would somehow endanger children or be offensive to churchgoers. This is inaccurate and offensive.
H.B. No. 4834: Having pictures on registry ID cards. Why is this necessary? The registry is not an I.D. card; if someone wants to confirm my identity they ask for my Driver license.
H.B. No. 4850: Prohibit transfers between patients and or caregivers (…not associated with each other in the Registry ??? gotta look up the wording). Another attempt to prevent legal patients from getting their meds –if a legal carded patient is out of marijuana or below his legal limit, and another legal patient or caregiver has some to spare, why should they not be able to transfer? This bill is obviously an attempt to re-criminalize the legal use Medical Marijuana.
H.B. No. 4851: Attempts to define a “Bona Fide” Doctor-Patient relationship. This would prevent patients from being able to get certified. Unfortunately most doctors refuse to write Medical Marijuana certifications, so how are potential MM patients supposed to establish a multi-visit relationship when there are only a limited number of doctors willing to do certifications? Of course insurance isn’t required to pay for these visits, so this would prohibit lower income patients from obtaining certifications; many of us are low-income because we are disabled.
If lawmakers truly want us to get our certs from a Doctor who knows us, then how about making it illegal for hospitals to ban affiliated doctors from writing Medical Marijuana certifications? Make it illegal for a doctor to discharge a patient or deny him medications, just because that patient has a Medical Marijuana certificate. In other words, enforce the Law.
H.B. No. 4852: If local zoning is valid as to restricting a growing facility’s location, then why does the state need to buttress the local authority? This is an attempt to influence current litigation, as for the City of Livonia. Not business of the legislature.
HB 4853: Makes it a felony to sell to someone without card.
H.B. No. 4854: Prohibition on advertising as caregiver violates 1st Amendment. Also creates barriers to obtaining medical marijuana, for new people who don’t know any caregivers.
H.B. No. 4856: This addresses possession, as opposed to the already prohibited use, in a motor vehicle. Marihuana is not a handgun or firearm. If a person is a registered patient or caregiver, the mere possession in a vehicle should not be proscribed. This criminalizes otherwise legal behavior
SB 0377: makes registry information available to Law Enforcement upon issuance of a Medical Marihuana card. The Registry is confidential health information; as such it should be handled through the MDCH as it was originally. It should never have been changed to be administered by _____________ whoever we get cards from now The Registry and compliance with it, should be monitored by MDCH, not the police.
SB 504 (illegal to transfer around schools etc) The bill is discriminatory, based on a prejudiced belief that all Medical Marijuana patients are engaged in criminal behavior that would somehow endanger children or be offensive to churchgoers. This is inaccurate and offensive.
SB (can't sue cities)
SB 505 (excludes all felons)
SB 618 (only 10 companies can grow MMJ. SB616, SB617 Also part of package)
SB 617
SB 616
Dear ,
As a voter, lifelong Michigan resident and a Medical Marijuana patient, I am alarmed by the recent flood of bills regarding Medical Marijuana which have been introduced into the House and Senate and currently are in the Judiciary Committee.
When we passed the MMMA of 2008 with 63% of the vote, the Michigan voters intended to provide Medical Marijuana patients with a defense against prosecution for growing or using Marijuana. The recent bills are a blatant attempt, by a small group of legislators who do not represent the beliefs of the majority of Michigan voters, to re-criminalize medical marijuana, violating the intent of the very Law they claim to be “clarifying”. These Legislators are attempting to make it impossible or illegal, for legal patients to obtain Medical Marijuana, putting up unreasonable barriers to legal patients trying to get access to Medical Marijuana.
**move this later** I find it telling that some of the first bills introduced were regarding how Michigan could use profits from items seized in drug cases (which Bill is this??), and not allowing people to sue cities when they violate our rights (SB 0418, I think?).
HB 4397: Outlaw Compassion Clubs. It is un-Constitutional to deny the right of free association to law-obeying citizens. (I don’t know, is that true?) It puts up a barrier to new Medical Marijuana finding a Caregiver.
H.B. No. 4661: This criminalizes any growing within 500 ft of a church, school or day care. This Bill violates individual rights, and criminalizes legal behavior. In the town where I live, as in many small towns, if this were implemented, there would be NO area where growing would be allowed, which prevents access to our Medicine. The bill is discriminatory, based on a prejudiced belief that all Medical Marijuana patients are engaged in criminal behavior that would somehow endanger children or be offensive to churchgoers. This is inaccurate and offensive.
H.B. No. 4834: Having pictures on registry ID cards. Why is this necessary? The registry is not an I.D. card; if someone wants to confirm my identity they ask for my Driver license.
H.B. No. 4850: Prohibit transfers between patients and or caregivers (…not associated with each other in the Registry ??? gotta look up the wording). Another attempt to prevent legal patients from getting their meds –if a legal carded patient is out of marijuana or below his legal limit, and another legal patient or caregiver has some to spare, why should they not be able to transfer? This bill is obviously an attempt to re-criminalize the legal use Medical Marijuana.
H.B. No. 4851: Attempts to define a “Bona Fide” Doctor-Patient relationship. This would prevent patients from being able to get certified. Unfortunately most doctors refuse to write Medical Marijuana certifications, so how are potential MM patients supposed to establish a multi-visit relationship when there are only a limited number of doctors willing to do certifications? Of course insurance isn’t required to pay for these visits, so this would prohibit lower income patients from obtaining certifications; many of us are low-income because we are disabled.
If lawmakers truly want us to get our certs from a Doctor who knows us, then how about making it illegal for hospitals to ban affiliated doctors from writing Medical Marijuana certifications? Make it illegal for a doctor to discharge a patient or deny him medications, just because that patient has a Medical Marijuana certificate. In other words, enforce the Law.
H.B. No. 4852: If local zoning is valid as to restricting a growing facility’s location, then why does the state need to buttress the local authority? This is an attempt to influence current litigation, as for the City of Livonia. Not business of the legislature.
HB 4853: Makes it a felony to sell to someone without card.
H.B. No. 4854: Prohibition on advertising as caregiver violates 1st Amendment. Also creates barriers to obtaining medical marijuana, for new people who don’t know any caregivers.
H.B. No. 4856: This addresses possession, as opposed to the already prohibited use, in a motor vehicle. Marihuana is not a handgun or firearm. If a person is a registered patient or caregiver, the mere possession in a vehicle should not be proscribed. This criminalizes otherwise legal behavior
SB 0377: makes registry information available to Law Enforcement upon issuance of a Medical Marihuana card. The Registry is confidential health information; as such it should be handled through the MDCH as it was originally. It should never have been changed to be administered by _____________ whoever we get cards from now The Registry and compliance with it, should be monitored by MDCH, not the police.
SB 504 (illegal to transfer around schools etc) The bill is discriminatory, based on a prejudiced belief that all Medical Marijuana patients are engaged in criminal behavior that would somehow endanger children or be offensive to churchgoers. This is inaccurate and offensive.
SB (can't sue cities)
SB 505 (excludes all felons)
SB 618 (only 10 companies can grow MMJ. SB616, SB617 Also part of package)
SB 617
SB 616
streets
Well-Known Member
"June 2011. The State of Michigan reported that it received $9.7 million dollars from its licensing of medical marihuana patients and caregivers. The State spent $1.5 million on staff and expenses, leaving it with a net profit of about $8 million dollars.
June 2011. The State reported that there are over 80,000 Michigan citizens registered to be either patients or caregivers under the State's medical marijuana program."
i dont believe we have much to worry about, as long as everyone contacts your rep and let them know how you feel. most of them are $ hungry and 8 million profit seems would be an incentive to keep it going..
June 2011. The State reported that there are over 80,000 Michigan citizens registered to be either patients or caregivers under the State's medical marijuana program."
i dont believe we have much to worry about, as long as everyone contacts your rep and let them know how you feel. most of them are $ hungry and 8 million profit seems would be an incentive to keep it going..
jamiesname
Well-Known Member
Yes, that is my opinion, and I even stated as much. You are free to have your own. I do support the change even if churches are included, but figured it was worth mentioning that they should not. Nothing would look worse in the news than a church full of people, or school/day care full of kids burning down as a result of an electrical fire from a high end grow op right next door. Is it likely to happen? No. However, I'd personally like to see that risk taken out of the equation because IF the planets align and I start shitting rainbows and this did actually happen, I think we would all have to say bye-bye to our beloved MMJ law. Again, that is just my opinion and if you disagree with it, then that is just more reason to contact your rep. and senator.
Image is everything until people get it out of their heads that we are criminals.
Image is everything until people get it out of their heads that we are criminals.