DOMA In Action - what a proud day for America

beardo

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The Indiana Coroner refused to release the body, citing DOMA as the reason. Regardless of a will, they won't release the body to her. What part of that can you not understand? Indiana has it's own Version of DOMA and they refuse to recognize same sex partnership.
I'm addmittedly not well informed in this stuff as it's not a major concern for me.
That said I think Indiana is wrong based on your description and my understanding of things. I think someones wishes should trump all else, In life, Death, and in case of incapasitation.
 

undertheice

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Name me one law passed due to the Left that denies equal rights to it's citizens. Please. I would love to see it. Let's flip that coin back over. So it's o.k. to deny equal rights as long as it fits in to your belief system or cultural bias, right? Which side has been passing all the abortion bills recently? Which side fought the repeal of DADT? It sure as hell wasn't the Left.
shall we start with the creation and expansion of the welfare state, a series of programs designed to confiscate the wealth of the productive in order to pass it on to the unproductive? you simply don't get it, do you. if the victim of government interference isn't a member of what you consider a protected class, you see nothing wrong with infringing on their rights. that you consider the rights of some as sacrosanct, while those of others as negotiable, is a sad commentary on the state of modern liberalism.
 

Carne Seca

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shall we start with the creation and expansion of the welfare state, a series of programs designed to confiscate the wealth of the productive in order to pass it on to the unproductive? you simply don't get it, do you. if the victim of government interference isn't a member of what you consider a protected class, you see nothing wrong with infringing on their rights. that you consider the rights of some as sacrosanct, while those of others as negotiable, is a sad commentary on the state of modern liberalism.
How is asking for equal treatment under the law infringing on rights? What universe do you live in? We're asking for equal treatment. Why aren't we getting equal treatment? Because of religious and cultural bias that has no place in the running of the government. It is unconstitutional and a human right's violation. How is this in any way, shape or form infringing on ANYTHING? Really? That's the best stance you have? It's fucking pathetic.
 

undertheice

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How is asking for equal treatment under the law infringing on rights?
pull your head out and try reading what you're responding to. my first post in this thread described doma as "ludicrous legislation". what business government has in the marriage business in the first place is beyond me. that the religious community would want to protect their vision of marriage, a traditionally religious rite, is only natural, but that government sees fit to define that union is merely a further intrusion into the rights of the individual.
 

beardo

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In what way did Affirmative Action infringe on basic human or constitutional rights?
It discriminates against me based on my skin color and my gender -
It prevents me from having the same opportunity given another based on my race I am unable to get a job which otherwise would have hired me
Theirfore I have less money and will have less opportunity to have sex with hot women and marry one and reproduce theirfore it's fucking with my presuit of happyness
 

Carne Seca

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pull your head out and try reading what you're responding to. my first post in this thread described doma as "ludicrous legislation". what business government has in the marriage business in the first place is beyond me. that the religious community would want to protect their vision of marriage, a traditionally religious rite, is only natural, but that government sees fit to define that union is merely a further intrusion into the rights of the individual.
I wasn't responding to your first post I was referring to your claim that, "if the victim of government interference isn't a member of what you consider a protected class, you see nothing wrong with infringing on their rights." I reiterate, how is asking for equal treatment infringing on anyone's rights? I'm sticking to the topic and context of the this thread but I'd love to see any proof that "Leftist Legislation" has discriminated against an entire class of people.
 

undertheice

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In what way did Affirmative Action infringe on basic human or constitutional rights?
under the umbrella of interstate commerce, the state has forced major segments of the private sector to abide by its demands for integration. no matter how abhorrent we may feel racism to be, every man has the right to be as bigoted as he so desires and to use his property as he sees fit.
 

beardo

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Really? How?
Maybe someday their will be a fire and when the fire dept arrives they will send the black jewish american indian lesbian to rescue you and when she's trying to carry you to safety but can't because she's 4'11 and 95lbs you will have time to ponder how she got her job.
 

beardo

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under the umbrella of interstate commerce, the state has forced major segments of the private sector to abide by its demands for integration. no matter how abhorrent we may feel racism to be, every man has the right to be as bigoted as he so desires and to use his property as he sees fit.
Exactly-If you own a appartment building and don't want to rent to neo nazis you should have every right to say - I don't like nazis so i'm not going to rent to you
 

undertheice

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I wasn't responding to your first post I was referring to your claim that, "if the victim of government interference isn't a member of what you consider a protected class, you see nothing wrong with infringing on their rights." I reiterate, how is asking for equal treatment infringing on anyone's rights?
you continue to be incredibly obtuse. the victim of government interference in the original post is the lgbt community. it was the law of the land, under the direction of government, that created that perverse situation.

I'm sticking to the topic and context of the this thread but I'd love to see any proof that "Leftist Legislation" has discriminated against an entire class of people.
and i gave you a prime example of the interference of government with our rights to the ownership of our own property, an interference based solely on economic status.
 

Carne Seca

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under the umbrella of interstate commerce, the state has forced major segments of the private sector to abide by its demands for integration. no matter how abhorrent we may feel racism to be, every man has the right to be as bigoted as he so desires and to use his property as he sees fit.
So it's o.k. to discriminate against an entire class of people (shades of Jim Crow) yet you guys shit yourself because a law is passed to try and level the playing field. Some Americans can't get work simply because you don't like the color of their skin. You're o.k. with that? No matter how you feel, they are just as American as everyone else and quite a few have been here longer than most European Americans. I still fail to see how it discriminates or infringes on constitutional rights. I do see how it allows fair treatment under the law. Anything else?
 

Carne Seca

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Exactly-If you own a appartment building and don't want to rent to neo nazis you should have every right to say - I don't like nazis so i'm not going to rent to you
neo-nazis aren't a race and they aren't being discriminated against. Give me a relevant example.
 

Carne Seca

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Much of the opposition to affirmative action is framed on the grounds of so-called "reverse discrimination and unwarranted preferences." In fact, less than 2 percent of the 91,000 employment discrimination cases pending before the Equal Employment Opportunities Commission are reverse discrimination cases. Under the law as written in Executive Orders and interpreted by the courts, anyone benefiting from affirmative action must have relevant and valid job or educational qualifications.
 

beardo

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So it's o.k. to discriminate against an entire class of people (shades of Jim Crow) yet you guys shit yourself because a law is passed to try and level the playing field. Some Americans can't get work simply because you don't like the color of their skin. You're o.k. with that? No matter how you feel, they are just as American as everyone else and quite a few have been here longer than most European Americans. I still fail to see how it discriminates or infringes on constitutional rights. I do see how it allows fair treatment under the law. Anything else?
I'm pretty sure a black is capable of doing work well enough for him to be such a valuable asset to a buisness that one would hire him. I also believe blacks are capable of starting their own buisnesses.
 

beardo

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neo-nazis aren't a race and they aren't being discriminated against. Give me a relevant example.
I'm sorry I should have said Aryans with tattoos of swaztikas
And if you think their not discriminated against your sadly mistaken
 

Carne Seca

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Maybe someday their will be a fire and when the fire dept arrives they will send the black jewish american indian lesbian to rescue you and when she's trying to carry you to safety but can't because she's 4'11 and 95lbs you will have time to ponder how she got her job.
That would be the fault of the fire department for sending her in there not the Affirmative Action law that allows her to pursue her career without fear of harassment and discrimination. Of course since she is qualified, she is capable of saving your life with her EMT training and years of experience. There's more to being a first responder than brute strength.
 
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