Ron Paul is taking back the GOP for Americans

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Depending on state law and state party rules, the delegates who were voted for might or might not be required to support the candidate they were elected to *
Just to mention, the Republican party rules are pretty much the same as far as this goes. Except they make far less use of caucuses and allocate delegates by winner-takes-all or by congressional district for many states, not proportionally to popular vote, and do not use the "superdelegate" system.*
As a general rule, winning a primary requires Pandering To The Base, while winning a general election requires appealing to centrist "swing voters". Expect accusations of "flip-flopping," particularly from an incumbent opponent who has the luxury of sitting out the primary (it's considered an especially bad sign of a politician's career if he faces a serious primary challenge as an incumbent, as that means that the party that put them in office is seriously considering kicking him out).
 
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in other words there is just as much protection of the choice of the people in the primaries as there is in the electoral college representing their state. The assumption that the party itself has the power to choose whatever candidate they have negates state laws regulating the primary process.
 
beardo

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They have delegates who vote on who to nominate- Those delegates are not all required to reflect the vote of the people in their choice- Basicly we could get a president who no one ever voted for if they wanted to do it that way, Usually they try to make it seem close and they try to vote with the people they represent and they tell you to come out and vote so you feel good about it, so you feel like theirs a choice- But Their Guy allways Wins.
 
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beardo said:
They have delegates who vote on who to nominate- Those delegates are not all required to reflect the vote of the people in their choice- Basicly we could get a president who no one ever voted for if they wanted to do it that way, Usually they try to make it seem close and they try to vote with the people they represent and they tell you to come out and vote so you feel good about it, so you feel like theirs a choice- But Their Guy allways Wins.
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but remember these delegates represent the will of their area according to local laws, some states require the delegates to vote as the people voted some do not, some states its winner takes all delegate votes, some states the votes are broken up among delegates according to percentage of votes, very much like the electoral college, the point is it is not the GOP leaders who are actually making the final decision it is a vote of delegates representing their states wishes according to their states regulations.

you see the electoral college is not necessarily required to vote the way that the people they represent vote. so their is nothing backing up this idea that Ron Paul needs a "nod" from the GOP leadership. cause the GOP leadership has no direct power over those delegates, however the GOP can influence those delegates but it is still up to the delegate and the state laws that delegate represents as to how they vote.
 
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I am still impressed that this is possibly the only debate thread that hasnt turned into ignorant name calling so props to everyone
 
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beardo said:
They have delegates who vote on who to nominate- Those delegates are not all required to reflect the vote of the people in their choice- Basicly we could get a president who no one ever voted for if they wanted to do it that way, Usually they try to make it seem close and they try to vote with the people they represent and they tell you to come out and vote so you feel good about it, so you feel like theirs a choice- But Their Guy allways Wins.
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however i do agree that our electoral system is, maybe not rigged, but heavily influenced by unkown forces at work, but then that is why we have two parties that play off of eachother to fool the public in general.
 
beardo

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Prefontaine said:
but remember these delegates represent the will of their area according to local laws, some states require the delegates to vote as the people voted some do not, some states its winner takes all delegate votes, some states the votes are broken up among delegates according to percentage of votes, very much like the electoral college, the point is it is not the GOP leaders who are actually making the final decision it is a vote of delegates representing their states wishes according to their states regulations.

you see the electoral college is not necessarily required to vote the way that the people they represent vote. so their is nothing backing up this idea that Ron Paul needs a "nod" from the GOP leadership. cause the GOP leadership has no direct power over those delegates, however the GOP can influence those delegates but it is still up to the delegate and the state laws that delegate represents as to how they vote.
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Some states do and some don't- and then like you said theirs the electoral college,- It's not as cut and dry as some people think- It's not all just about who we vote for, or even who were given as choices of who to vote for. It's all about money and power and I've yet to fully comprehend how things work or who's in controll, but I know it's not as straight forward as school taught me it was
 
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beardo said:
Some states do and some don't- and then like you said theirs the electoral college,- It's not as cut and dry as some people think- It's not all just about who we vote for, or even who were given as choices of who to vote for. It's all about money and power and I've yet to fully comprehend how things work or who's in controll, but I know it's not as straight forward as school taught me it was
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well of course if they taught us the truth in school we wouldnt put up with it.
 
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once again the reason Ron Paul is the best candidate is that he has demonstrated that he is above washington's many influences
 
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A video for the RP fans, Warning check your volume this guy is known for getting loud.[youtube]JLdZxDjFsYI&feature[/youtube]

Oh by the Way the Video bob refers to where John Stewart shows how crooked the media is toward Dr.Paul is at this site , Third Video down...Its hilarious.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/
 
londonfog

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Prefontaine said:
once again the reason Ron Paul is the best candidate is that he has demonstrated that he is above washington's many influences
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That maybe the case, but he is foolish to think that he will get the nod from the Republican party...He should have went 3rd party from the start...Play to win or don't freakin play
 
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londonfog said:
That maybe the case, but he is foolish to think that he will get the nod from the Republican party...He should have went 3rd party from the start...Play to win or don't freakin play
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What dont you get about primary process that you still think the party has to give him the nod?

The "party" does not chooose, only the delegates choose, in some states you dont even vote for the candidate you vote for the delegate, WTF dont you understand about all the information ive given on how the candidates are selected?
 
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the reason ron paul is running as a republican candidate is because every third party candidate in americas history has done nothing but dillute the votes allowing a non majority vote winner to take the cake
 
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