Copyrights and Downloading

[Mr Neutron]

Red Herring...

How so? My statement reveals the hypocrisy in the system, you're equating potheads to rapists and murderers.

 

[Mr Neutron]

Last thing I would want to do is buy an Apple product. oh god

Is that a joke or are you serious?

 

[vh13]

Oh Pandora where I'm only allowed to skip so many songs before I'm forced to listen to every song it picks for me for an hour?
Itunes: because paying $.99 per song equals more than $10 for the album (Last thing I would want to do is buy an Apple product. oh god)

I don't know anything about the rest. Like I said, they aren't stopping the illegal downloading, but they are a start.

Pandora only charges $37 a year to listen to any song you want, any time, with no advertisements.

Many of my friends who used to deal with malware from illegal downloads on a regular basis are now quite happy with their yearly Pandora subscription, and have since stopped illegally downloading music.

I don't think it's the record companies who are behind the times. I think it's the torrent thieves who are behind the times.

 

[RawBudzski]

your all crying over songs? Movie2k.com & never goto the movies again. <3

 

[Mr Neutron]

The theft is that someone now has something that the artist did not give them permission to take, which was the artist's creation. If you obtain a pre-release copy of a new movie then start charging for private viewings in your home, what has the movie studio lost?

I am not talking about selling a product that I do not have permission to sell, I just talking about for personal use.

 

[Mr Neutron]

There are many legitimate services which can provide the experience you describe:

Pandora
iTunes
Rhapsody
Napster (post-lawsuit)
Playlist
Grooveshark

Just to name a few.

What's wrong with them?

Pandora (and Hulu) won't let me in, iTunes? at .99/song?... I don't think so

 

[vh13]

How so? My statement reveals the hypocrisy in the system...

Red Herring - the tactic of diverting attention away from an item of significance.

How exactly does ones beliefs towards their government relate to the issue of illegal downloading of music? It does not, your argument is a fallacy.

My statement equating potheads to rapists and murderers is a similarly fallacious argument. It was not a serious statement, it was an illustrative example of a fallacy.

 

[sync0s]

Is that a joke or are you serious?

Dead serious. Apple is terrible.

 

[Mr Neutron]

Red Herring - the tactic of diverting attention away from an item of significance.

How exactly does ones beliefs towards their government relate to the issue of illegal downloading of music? It does not, your argument is a fallacy.

My statement equating potheads to rapists and murderers is a similarly fallacious argument. It was not a serious statement, it was an illustrative example of a Red Herring fallacy.

Isn't it the same government that has obviously ignored the law countless times, the same government that makes the laws pertaining to copyrights?

 

[Mr Neutron]

Dead serious. Apple is terrible.

That's funny because I changed to Mac 5 yrs ago, saying the exact same thing about Microsoft.

 

[sync0s]

Pandora only charges $37 a year to listen to any song you want, any time, with no advertisements.

Many of my friends who used to deal with malware from illegal downloads on a regular basis are now quite happy with their yearly Pandora subscription, and have since stopped illegally downloading music.

I don't think it's the record companies who are behind the times. I think it's the torrent thieves who are behind the times.

First you can't download the song and burn it on a CD from pandora. Pandora is just a radio. Secondly your friends don't know what their doing if they're continuously get malware.

Have you or the record companies ever contemplated the idea that a lot of people don't like putting credit card information on the internet?

 

[vh13]

Isn't it the same government that has obviously ignored the law countless times, the same government that makes the laws pertaining to copyrights?

What is your point?

Still sounds like a Red Herring by Association fallacy to me.

 

[sync0s]

That's funny because I changed to Mac 5 yrs ago, saying the exact same thing about Microsoft.

Well I'm not saying microsoft is any better. I dual boot microsoft with linux and only have windows because of my girlfriend. Apple doesn't give a shit about their customers. Their Ipods were completely over priced because there were/are mp3 players on the market that can do just as much for half of the price. I don't even need to go into the incident with the Ipad. Add in to the fact that Iphone users have to set an appointment to get their phone fixed where as android users just bring it in that day.

 

[vh13]

First you can't download the song and burn it on a CD from pandora. Pandora is just a radio.

There are other services. You're choosing not to find/use them.

Have you or the record companies ever contemplated the idea that a lot of people don't like putting credit card information on the internet?

This is your choice of course, and many of these services allow for alternative payment methods.

Seems to me what it really comes down to: it's about the money you're not willing to spend... the justification of a thief.

 

[RawBudzski]

Do not be mad @ Apple or Mac users, they are winnage. $8k Mac > Every PC I have ever owned. 2x 32" Screens means Trollage on an Unprecedented Level.

 

[jeff f]

10 songs??

come on jeff, it was surely like 1,000 songs...

i downloaded a 90s playlist, 150 songs, not that long ago... and didn't receive a letter.... what i do is always make sure the files are in .rar or .zip form.... not .mp3 or m4a or any other media file.

no it wasnt too many songs. they had a file number (or some sort of identifier) listed and the whole list was only about half a page.

but you didnt care about that, you were just trying to be a dick.

 

[jeff f]

People will justify any behavior, no matter how rotten. It's not like piracy was a new thing, no one with half of a brain would assert that. It's the scale in which it happens nowdays is just far more rampant than ever before.

If you really think that illegal downloading hasnt killed the record industry, you're delusional. Absolutely dead wrong. It's sad to see criminal behavior that does indeed harm others become justified in the minds of so many.

no, what killed the record industry is THEY DONT USE RECORDS ANYMORE.

guess what? the book industry will soon be dead, as well as the buggy whip industry, the sewing machine industry, and the shoe repair industry.

adapt, or fail.

 

[sync0s]

There are other services. You're choosing not to find/use them.



This is your choice of course, and many of these services allow for alternative payment methods.

Seems to me what it really comes down to: it's about the money you're not willing to spend... the justification of a thief.

Sounds like your justifying the industry not willing to advance their technologies to meet demand in the market. Catering to corporations is not getting us anywhere. Don't blame me for the fact that millions of people are doing it every minute. Blame the copyright holders for not finding ways to bring those millions back into the profitable sector.

 

[Mr Neutron]

What is your point?

Still sounds like a Red Herring by Association fallacy to me.

I clearly made my point, if you either can't understand it or refuse to recognize it, that is not my problem.

 

[vh13]

Sounds like your justifying the industry not willing to advance their technologies to meet demand in the market. Catering to corporations is not getting us anywhere. Don't blame me for the fact that millions of people are doing it every minute. Blame the copyright holders for not finding ways to bring those millions back into the profitable sector.

Deny it all you like, technology has advanced, but only for those who are willing to pay for it. Not much room for development for free loaders.

As an artist myself, my concern is not for the corporations, rather it is for the artists who suffer from a lack of opportunity to be heard.