While you normally don't "prove" a negative, I agree. I am saying my evidence is stronger and more reality based than yours therefore my position is more likely true than yours.Because you DO NOT believe or have a different point of view does not make it UNtrue.
Ernie - i would normally continue this but when i present evidence you do not budge. I put forth a lot of effort to explain why these prophesies may not even be prophesies and all you do is cut and paste more baloney from that same tired website. I have to ask - do you want to find what is most likely true or would you prefer to just believe what you want?email,
Here's what I mean by point of view.
Katun 11 Ahau. Niggard is the katun; scanty are its rains . . . misery.
Katun 9 Ahau. Drought, famine.
Katun 7 Ahau. Carnal sin. roguish rulers.
Katun 5 Ahau Harsh his face, harsh his tidings.
Katun 3 Ahau. Rains of little profit, locusts, fighting.
Katun 1 Ahau. The evil katun.
Katun 12 Ahau. The katun is good.
Katun 10 Ahau Drought is the charge of the katun.
Katun 8 Ahau. There is an end of greed; there is an end to causing vexation . . . much fighting
Katun 6 Ahau. Shameless is his speech.
Katun 4 Ahau. The Quetzal shall come . . . Kukulcan shall come.
Katun 2 Ahau. For half the katun there will be bread; for half the katun there will be water.
Katun 13 Ahau There is no lucky day for us.
Now, Katun 11-Ahau: Apparently food is scarce during this katun and invading foreigners arrive and disperse the population. There is an end to traditional rule, there are no successors. Since this is the first katun it always opens up a new era. It was during the span of this katun that the Spanish began their takeover of Yucatan and imposed Christianity on the natives.
Katun 13-Ahau: This is a time of total collapse where everything is lost. It is the time of the judgment of "God". There will be epidemics and plagues and then famine. Governments will be lost to foreigners and wise men, and prophets will be lost. So as you can see here, this applies to THIS period in time, in which this is the end of this Katun, and the whole damn thing is going to start over on December 21, 2012; the beginning of the new long count.
The Mayan prophecies were announced five years before the beginning of each katun. The Maya were a ceremonious people, and they lived their lives by the numbers, predicting their history and then living it, on the assumption that fate was dictated by cyclical repetition.
So now, we can look at this in two different ways. We can say that the Mayans predicted their future, and then lived it, or we can say that all of this is farce and hindsight is always 20/20. It all depends upon your point of view.
Cut and paste...I'm sorry, you want me to type the definitions of the Mayan katuns? I don't see the need for that as you will find they are all the same no matter where you look. Again, I do not need to do my homework on this subject as I have researched it for years. Why do you get so bent out of shape about this? You have your opinion and I have mine. Why do you feel the need to change my beliefs? All of this started when you said that the Mayans did not predict their own demise, there is evidence that says otherwise. The way a person interprets these things is all dependant on their point of view.Ernie - i would normally continue this but when i present evidence you do not budge. I put forth a lot of effort to explain why these prophesies may not even be prophesies and all you do is cut and paste more baloney from that same tired website. I have to ask - do you want to find what is most likely true or would you prefer to just believe what you want?
Since you never did your homework - here it is ... debunk the Maya prophesies. You don't have to believe the debunking - just do it as a thought experiment.
I'm not upset at all. blowing off your homework... naughty!Cut and paste...I'm sorry, you want me to type the definitions of the Mayan katuns? I don't see the need for that as you will find they are all the same no matter where you look. Again, I do not need to do my homework on this subject as I have researched it for years. Why do you get so bent out of shape about this? You have your opinion and I have mine. Whay do you feel the need to change my beliefs? All of this started when you said that the Mayans did not predict their own demise, there is evidence that says otherwise. The way a person interprets these things is all dependant on their point of view.
I have made my case and you have made yours; lets let others make theirs.
EXACTLY!!!!!! The Mayans did not say "Spaniards will come and enslave us and take our lands.", They simply stated that times were gonna change. So like I said before, you can say that the Mayans predicted their future with this very broad description, or you can say that we applied these events to their description, because looking back now, they fit! It's all about point of view.
Here is a FACT: The next Mayan long count begins on December 21, 2012, which is the beginning of the winter solstice, where also the Earth, Sun, and center of the galaxy will be lined up, and there will be violent sun storms during that period.I'm not upset at all. blowing off your homework... naughty!
wasnt there plenty of times where the Earth, Sun and center of the galaxy were lined up????Here is a FACT: The next Mayan long count begins on December 21, 2012, which is the beginning of the winter solstice, where also the Earth, Sun, and center of the galaxy will be lined up, and there will be violent sun storms during that period.
Now, will anything happen? Only time will tell. Your scientific approach to things tells you that nothing will happen. My interest in the supernatural makes me WANT to believe that something will happen. If that day comes and goes with no hitch, then I will be first to say that it was all bullshit, but until that day comes, NO ONE will truly know what is going to happen.
There is no homework to do.
That's not what I said. The TEXT you cite for authority was written well after the Spanish conquest, under Spanish control. The katun which refers to 'bearded men from the east' and the 'raised wooden standard' can easily be read as Spanish propaganda inserted for political purposes. Not that an age characterized by foreign invaders would be surprising. The Mayans lived in close proximity to many other American peoples, with whom they had frequently warring relations. Historical texts are often corrupted by conquerors. When Napoleon invaded Egypt, he had people work on a version of the Quran which he hoped would help him gain greater political control there. It didn't work, but anyhow. I am not a Mayan scholar but I know a bit about the methodology of history and I was trying to make a point about not judging texts at their face value.
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yes. twice a year, every year. once with the earth on the outside and once with the sun on the outside.
Times are going to change.
Holy Shit! I'm a prophet.
