Wolverine97
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SCROG would be WAY too much maintenance for this type of setup. He needs to go straight SOG using either 400w lights (aircooled) or T5's. That's pretty much it.
6000 watt hydro CRAWL SPACE...close 2 done...someone show me another please
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a scrog is just an insane thought on top of an insane build. Imagine working on all of this on your fucking hands and knees. I will say this, however, your ambition is through the roof broski. If you take half of that ambition and put it into a plan with a strong sense of logic behind it, you will be a big producer. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the fact that you thought this would work. I think your zeal got the best of you man. While your attempt is valiant, it seems destined to fail with your strong desire to run 1000 watt lamps. In a matter of minutes doing research on lighting, it should become clear that 600 watt lights are far more efficient. Why the obsession with 1000watt lights? If this is equipment you already had then I can understand how you would just be trying to work with what you have. If you went and bought 1000 watters for this design then, in my opinion, you were foolish to not make this thread prior to your purchase.
I dont want to be all super negative because, like I said, you are clearly ambitious and not afraid to work hard. In my book, that is a strong foundation of being a "good" man. I just think that you may be in over your head with this
I dont want to be all super negative because, like I said, you are clearly ambitious and not afraid to work hard. In my book, that is a strong foundation of being a "good" man. I just think that you may be in over your head with this
Bongilishes
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id kill to have your space..
collective gardener
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Dirk,
I agree with Chasmtz, in that your ambition and work ethic is clearly top notch. I'd love to have you working in my grow op. You're going for what may be impossible with total zeal. It's better to have tried and fail, than to have never tried at all. I truly hope you can pull this off and prove us all wrong. I have a feeling you already purchased the lights. Yes? Did you, by chance, get dimable ballasts? Please say yes. That mey be your saving grace. Just keep in mind that you need 24" between the bulb of a 1000 and the plant tops.
1000 watt bulbs are great. I run 18 of them right now. But, I have 10' ceilings. If it's in the realm of possibility, try to get some lower wattage lights. I still would say T-5's would be ideal with your space. You could always sell the 1000's to ease the $$$ pain of buying a whole new suite of lights. I just would hate to see you move forward with something that just can't work. Please...what is the distance from the joists to the top of the pipes? You'll be fine tucking air cooled reflectors between the joists...as long as you have good airflow. DO NOT daisy chain all of your lights. I never daisy chain more than 3 lights with a 740cfm inline fan. Even with that, the last light is pretty warm. If you can grow the plants to a finished height of, say, 14" and still have 24" between the plant tops and the light....GO FOR IT! You'll have to space the plants pretty tight to get a good yield, but that's ok. I'm thinking around 4 plants per sq ft. If you can do that, and keep the atmosphere right, you will blow us all away with your yield. I'm talking a sea of donkey dicks. I've planted several canopies wit 16" plants, 4 plants per sq ft, and had yields of 2 oz/sq ft. All you need is 1/2 ounce per plant.
Well, my man. I'll let you get to it. Alot of us are pulling for you. If you're ever in So Cal and need a grow-room job, send me a PM. I'll hire you tomorrow. I know you're not a cop. No cop would have the balls to even talk about what you're trying to pull off. Go get em, turbo.
I agree with Chasmtz, in that your ambition and work ethic is clearly top notch. I'd love to have you working in my grow op. You're going for what may be impossible with total zeal. It's better to have tried and fail, than to have never tried at all. I truly hope you can pull this off and prove us all wrong. I have a feeling you already purchased the lights. Yes? Did you, by chance, get dimable ballasts? Please say yes. That mey be your saving grace. Just keep in mind that you need 24" between the bulb of a 1000 and the plant tops.
1000 watt bulbs are great. I run 18 of them right now. But, I have 10' ceilings. If it's in the realm of possibility, try to get some lower wattage lights. I still would say T-5's would be ideal with your space. You could always sell the 1000's to ease the $$$ pain of buying a whole new suite of lights. I just would hate to see you move forward with something that just can't work. Please...what is the distance from the joists to the top of the pipes? You'll be fine tucking air cooled reflectors between the joists...as long as you have good airflow. DO NOT daisy chain all of your lights. I never daisy chain more than 3 lights with a 740cfm inline fan. Even with that, the last light is pretty warm. If you can grow the plants to a finished height of, say, 14" and still have 24" between the plant tops and the light....GO FOR IT! You'll have to space the plants pretty tight to get a good yield, but that's ok. I'm thinking around 4 plants per sq ft. If you can do that, and keep the atmosphere right, you will blow us all away with your yield. I'm talking a sea of donkey dicks. I've planted several canopies wit 16" plants, 4 plants per sq ft, and had yields of 2 oz/sq ft. All you need is 1/2 ounce per plant.
Well, my man. I'll let you get to it. Alot of us are pulling for you. If you're ever in So Cal and need a grow-room job, send me a PM. I'll hire you tomorrow. I know you're not a cop. No cop would have the balls to even talk about what you're trying to pull off. Go get em, turbo.
dirkdruler
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dug the res flat in ground. This one was just for mock up and im still framing a retaining wall around it as well as drain pipe and gravel on bottom to sump box then clean it all up with heavy poly.I got 4 cool tubes hung in rafters so i have a full 33" from the top of pipes. Only able to run 4 1000's to hit my 4sq ft per light.
Im using the 1000's cuz thats what i have.
mastiffkush
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I hope that it works out for you, Youre going to be pushing it with the 21" clearance you are probably going to have to get some kind of autoflowering strain for height restrictions!! im intrigued to find out what the end result will be!
Wolverine97
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He doesn't need autoflower, not at all. He just needs to do a zero veg SOG with lower wattage lamps. Those 1000's are going to kill ya man, unless you have very serious airflow (250-300cfm per light).
collective gardener
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Wolverine is spot on. No seed grow will work here. Even if you start seeds in 12/12, they'll get too tall. It's all about barely rooting the cuts, and right to 12/12.
Dirk, I keep asking this. What will be the distance from the lights to the tops of the pipes? I'm just trying to find out if this will work. All the hard work and ambition in the world won't change some simple growing truths. There is a minimum space you will need between plant tops and 1000 watt lights. If it's less than 24" you will need to go overkill on the light cooling fans. You may be able to get by with around 18" if you have one inline fan for each light. I would not advise daisy chaining the lights in your unique sittuation. You'll also want a few fans blowing air right over the tops of the plants. Increasing humidity will also keep the plant tops from cooking. I run mine at 60%, and spray with Spectracide to prevent PM.
You may be able to pull this off with the 1000's. But, you'll have to take every possible precaution to keep from burning your plant tops. The good news is, if you can avoid burning them, you'll have some very large and dense tops with that kind of light intensity. Did you get dimmable ballasts?
Dirk, I keep asking this. What will be the distance from the lights to the tops of the pipes? I'm just trying to find out if this will work. All the hard work and ambition in the world won't change some simple growing truths. There is a minimum space you will need between plant tops and 1000 watt lights. If it's less than 24" you will need to go overkill on the light cooling fans. You may be able to get by with around 18" if you have one inline fan for each light. I would not advise daisy chaining the lights in your unique sittuation. You'll also want a few fans blowing air right over the tops of the plants. Increasing humidity will also keep the plant tops from cooking. I run mine at 60%, and spray with Spectracide to prevent PM.
You may be able to pull this off with the 1000's. But, you'll have to take every possible precaution to keep from burning your plant tops. The good news is, if you can avoid burning them, you'll have some very large and dense tops with that kind of light intensity. Did you get dimmable ballasts?
dirkdruler
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33" maybe able 2 squeeze 2"more when i see about heat isues after cooled.
what is daisy chain mean?
Any thoughts on cfm for to cool 4 1000's. I was thinking 2 550cfm daytons... 1 per 2 lights. Then the 735 cfm with scrubber for exaust, and 4 oscilating 4' stand ups.
I plan on doing 2 days veg with b12 and root shit i use , then straight 2 bloom feed with ww x bb and bubba kush.
Mrfootball420
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my advice is to go with less plants and grow them horizontally with lst to fill in the space. its about all you can do imho. gl
Wolverine97
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Daisy chain means to link all of you ventilation tubing together in a string from light to light so that one fan cools multiple lights. Your plan for cooling sounds pretty solid, but I wouldn't go any lower than that and definitely vent them two per fan. Once you get some free cash, buy some dimmable digital ballasts, then you can dim the 1k's down to 600. You'll have less issues that way. Good luck.
Wolverine97
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No. Way too much maintenance and work for that type of space. Dude needs to go zero veg SOG for this to be feasible.
Mrfootball420
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well if he doesnt go lst he is never going to keep the plants low enough, never. sog might be the worst possible way to go. it will force the plants upwards which is the last thing he wants! if you dont want burnt up girls you have to lst them to the proper height and not just hope they dont grow to tall.
Wolverine97
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Dude. Zero veg SOG. You end up with 12-16" single cola plants. That's the only feasible setup here. Yeah, he could do lst or even SCROG for that matter, but maintaining it in such tight quarters is asking for failure.
kirttattoo
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Just a newbie hear but with heat and height issues aside, what about cleanliness of grow area. in my experience,working in remodel, restoration, repair crawlspaces are usually dirty bug infested sometimes already hot and sometimes flooded. Personally I would never think of doing a grow in a crawl. And to have to be uder there doing daily maintenance on the ladies, what a pain in the ass id say. who wants to crawl in the muck and mire. Talk about a true guerilla grow lol. good luck bro ithink your gonna need it.
Mrfootball420
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12-16 inches with what strain? maybe an auto flower but with that much light and heat he is going to end up with plants closer to 2.5 - 3ft imo. scrog is an option but scrog with lst. i just dont see a way around training the plants to grow horizontally.
he is going to find out quick enough.
Wolverine97
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The way around it is ZERO VEG SOG. No autoflower, pretty much any indica dominant hybrid. No offense, but how long have you been doing this?
Mrfootball420
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i know enough to know if he does it your way he will likely fail and have to resort to lst anyways. those plants are going to stretch like crazy in that hot ass environment which naturally speeds up a plants metabolism in order to cool itself. this reaction causes vigorous plant growth. why even gamble? just keep them low and there is no problem.
and no offense but how many times have you grown in a 12' x 14' x 36" nightmare crawl space? bro dont even try that shit with me!!!
Wolverine97
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Did you see what he's doing for ventilation? If he goes according to plan that will be sufficient to remove most of the heat. I'd still like to see him go with 400 watt lights, but oh well... And no, I've never grown anything in that kind of space but it's really no different than a Bloom Box on a larger scale. If he does zero veg time they will not get too tall. The biggest problem he has is the lights he's using, other than that it's doable.
Mrfootball420
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the problem is definately the lights. its to much heat for that space.
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