Whats Ron Pauls Jobs Plan

hazyintentions

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damn how many times must I do this...I guess as many time as it takes


1. Increase funding for volience aganst women ( something my wife is involded in )

2. established a Consumer Financial Protection Bureau to look out for the interests of everyday Americans

3.Implemented reform law prohibiting banks from engaging in proprietary trading (trading the bank's own money to turn a profit )

4. Cut prescription drug cost for medicare recipients by 50% ( wifes a nurse and see's first hand how people that can afford medicine hurts us all)

5. Provided $12.2 Billion in new funding for Individuals With Disabilities Education Act ( my mother is a special needs Educator..she loves this )

6. Created more private sector jobs in 2010 than during entire Bush years ( this slips by most )

7. Signed the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, giving the FDA the authority to regulate the manufacturing, marketing, and sale of tobacco for the first time ( to me this is personal due to a lost in my family..smoking cigarettes is just plain stupi with all the shit they add in it)

8. Signed New START Treaty - nuclear arms reduction pact with Russia

9. Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act ( again this affects wifey ...and I love wifey)

10. Provided travel expenses to families of fallen soldiers to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB ( you would think this would have been done already )

I have more reason if you need....and far as the sheeple thing ..I have many faults with Obama ...something I find that Ron Paul groupies
can't do with their hero Ron...everyman has faults even Ron Paul

Basically throw money and more bureaucracy led Agencies at problems.

And of course Ron Paul isn't perfect, no one is, but he's pretty damn close, find me once incident where he has ever lied?
Can't say the same for Obama can you?
 

Prefontaine

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like I said these things are nothing new to me whether it is the law now or what....again seems like now that it hurts you and your kind its a problem...welcome to the club

no now that is being made law, the public can see it more clearly as not just the corrupt people within hte institution but in fact the institution itself that is corrupt, hence the call for change, dumbass
 

londonfog

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no now that is being made law, the public can see it more clearly as not just the corrupt people within hte institution but in fact the institution itself that is corrupt, hence the call for change, dumbass
wow now I'm a dumb ass...you asked a question ..gave you an answer..so now I'm a dumb ass..Wow..I must have hit on some truth
 

londonfog

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Basically throw money and more bureaucracy led Agencies at problems.

And of course Ron Paul isn't perfect, no one is, but he's pretty damn close, find me once incident where he has ever lied?
Can't say the same for Obama can you?
ok let me use just one example I just gave...Provided $12.2 Billion in new funding for Individuals With Disabilities Education Act...please do tell how this is a bad thing that should not have been done..
 

Prefontaine

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You need to read up more on how J Edgar Hoover ran the FBI...Hell Nixon used the FBI to dig up shit on his political enemies....Poor Martin Lurther King had the FBI doing shit to him that now people want to say is so wrong...so in short this has been going on way before Obama, but funny how everyone wants to now complain and bitch and moan...I for one have been against this type of shit way before the patriot act..my question is what took you so long ???
So whay are you in support of Obama?

WASHINGTON — Minutes before a midnight deadline, President Barack Obama signed into law a four-year extension of post-Sept. 11 powers to search records and conduct roving wiretaps in pursuit of terrorists.
"It's an important tool for us to continue dealing with an ongoing terrorist threat," Obama said Friday after a meeting with French President Nicolas Sarkozy.
With Obama in France, the White House said the president used an autopen machine that holds a pen and signs his actual signature. It is only used with proper authorization of the president.
Congress sent the bill to the president with only hours to go on Thursday before the provisions expired at midnight. Votes taken in rapid succession in the Senate and House came after lawmakers rejected attempts to temper the law enforcement powers to ensure that individual liberties are not abused.
The Senate voted 72-23 for the legislation to renew three terrorism-fighting authorities. The House passed the measure 250-153 on an evening vote.
A short-term expiration would not have interrupted ongoing operations but would have barred the government from seeking warrants for new investigations.

Congress bumped up against the deadline mainly because of the stubborn resistance from a single senator, Republican freshman Rand Paul of Kentucky, who saw the terrorist-hunting powers as an abuse of privacy rights. Paul held up the final vote for several days while he demanded a chance to change the bill to diminish the government's ability to monitor individual actions.
The measure would add four years to the legal life of roving wiretaps, authorized for a person rather than a communications line or device; court-ordered searches of business records; and surveillance of non-American "lone wolf" suspects without confirmed ties to terrorist groups.
The roving wiretaps and access to business records are small parts of the USA Patriot Act enacted after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. But unlike most of the act, which is permanent law, those provisions must be renewed periodically because of concerns that they could be used to violate privacy rights. The same applies to the "lone wolf" provision, which was part of a 2004 intelligence law.
Paul argued that in the rush to meet the terrorist threat in 2001 Congress enacted a Patriot Act that tramples on individual liberties. He had some backing from liberal Democrats and civil liberties groups who have long contended the law gives the government authority to spy on innocent citizens.
Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., said he voted for the act in 2001 "while ground zero was still burning." But "I soon realized it gave too much power to government without enough judicial and congressional oversight."
Sen. Mark Udall, D-Colo., said the provision on collecting business records can expose law-abiding citizens to government scrutiny. "If we cannot limit investigations to terrorism or other nefarious activities, where do they end?" he asked.
"The Patriot Act has been used improperly again and again by law enforcement to invade Americans' privacy and violate their constitutional rights," said Laura W. Murphy, director of the ACLU Washington legislative office.
Still, coming just a month after intelligence and military forces tracked down and killed Osama bin Laden, there was little appetite for tampering with the terrorism-fighting tools. These tools, said Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, "have kept us safe for nearly a decade and Americans today should be relieved and reassured to know that these programs will continue."
Intelligence officials have denied improper use of surveillance tools, and this week both FBI Director Robert Mueller and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper sent letters to congressional leaders warning of serious national security consequences if the provisions were allowed to lapse.
The Obama administration says that without the three authorities the FBI might not be able to obtain information on terrorist plotting inside the U.S. and that a terrorist who communicates using different cell phones and email accounts could escape timely surveillance.
"When the clock strikes midnight tomorrow, we would be giving terrorists the opportunity to plot attacks against our country, undetected," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said on the Senate floor Wednesday. In unusually personal criticism of a fellow senator, he warned that Paul, by blocking swift passage of the bill, "is threatening to take away the best tools we have for stopping them."
The nation itself is divided over the Patriot Act, as reflected in a Pew Research Center poll last February, before the killing of bin Laden, that found that 34 percent felt the law "goes too far and poses a threat to civil liberties. Some 42 percent considered it "a necessary tool that helps the government find terrorists." That was a slight turnaround from 2004 when 39 percent thought it went too far and 33 percent said it was necessary.
Paul, after complaining that Reid's remarks were "personally insulting," asked whether the nation "should have some rules that say before they come into your house, before they go into your banking records, that a judge should be asked for permission, that there should be judicial review? Do we want a lawless land?"
Paul agreed to let the bill go forward after he was given a vote on two amendments to rein in government surveillance powers. Both were soundly defeated. The more controversial, an amendment that would have restricted powers to obtain gun records in terrorist investigations, was defeated 85-10 after lawmakers received a letter from the National Rifle Association stating that it was not taking a position on the measure.
According to a senior Justice Department national security official testifying to Congress last March, the government has sought roving wiretap authority in about 20 cases a year between 2001 and 2010 and has sought warrants for business records less than 40 times a year, on average. The government has yet to use the lone wolf authority.
But the ACLU also points out that court approvals for business record access jumped from 21 in 2009 to 96 last year, and the organization contends the Patriot Act has blurred the line between investigations of actual terrorists and those not suspected of doing anything wrong.
Two Democratic critics of the Patriot Act, Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon and Udall of Colorado, on Thursday extracted a promise from Senate Intelligence Committee chairman Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., that she would hold hearings with intelligence and law enforcement officials on how the law is being carried out.
Wyden says that while there are numerous interpretations of how the Patriot Act works, the official government interpretation of the law remains classified. "A significant gap has developed now between what the public thinks the law says and what the government secretly claims it says," Wyden said.
 

londonfog

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And of course Ron Paul isn't perfect, no one is, but he's pretty damn close, find me once incident where he has ever lied?
Can't say the same for Obama can you?
here is one incident in which Ron Paul lied..as requested..
Ron Paul’s claim regarding the enforcement of the health insurance mandate, "16,500 ARMED bureaucrats coming to make this program work." is a flat out lie...http://www.factcheck.org/2010/03/irs-expansion/

Remember all men lie at on point or another in life..even you...me...and George Washington..to say he never lied is saying he is Jesus Christ ( if you follow that stuff )
 

redivider

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what obama found out was that the people were not ready to be forced into giving up their freedoms, that they weren't yet jaded enough to see an intrusive, overbearing central government as the only alternative to a world of general indifference. that paul's agenda is not one of force is what sticks in the craw of both parties and statists throughout the country. force is government's only tool and limiting that force is what individual liberty is all about. when pared down to its most basic elements, it is a struggle between the individual and those who believe the individual is of minimal importance to the welfare of society.
i am tired of this hyperbolic bs

you think it is a theoretical struggle?? that only happens in the halls of universities. it is a struggle for money, it is survival at it's rawest form.

there's those of us that believe that a society must work together to make itself great. then there's people like you, that think that everybody acting independently will get the best outcome... that's not how it works and there's even mathematical/economic formulas that prove it wrong.
 

Prefontaine

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here is one incident in which Ron Paul lied..as requested..
Ron Paul’s claim regarding the enforcement of the health insurance mandate, "16,500 ARMED bureaucrats coming to make this program work." is a flat out lie...http://www.factcheck.org/2010/03/irs-expansion/

Remember all men lie at on point or another in life..even you...me...and George Washington..to say he never lied is saying he is Jesus Christ ( if you follow that stuff )
first the healthcare bill isnt enacted yet, which means there are no real figures as to how many new employees will be required to support the health care bills increase in our bloated governing body,

second when the IRS determine that you are breaking a law, first they charge you penalties, if you say no im not going to pay those penalties cause you can make me buy health insurance, then they will put you in jail to make sure everyone else pays their penalty,

That is is how things work.

What you are doing is making a real shitty attempt at making an exageration of specifics for a plan that has not yet been fully carried out and in fact does not have any specific contradictory numbers or at least not at the time of the statements in question to lieing, in defense of person who as part of the their campaign stated again and again that he would not sign the patriot act, then signed the patriot act as soon as he got into office. WOW thats all just WOW
 

Prefontaine

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i am tired of this hyperbolic bs

you think it is a theoretical struggle?? that only happens in the halls of universities. it is a struggle for money, it is survival at it's rawest form.

there's those of us that believe that a society must work together to make itself great. then there's people like you, that think that everybody acting independently will get the best outcome... that's not how it works and there's even mathematical/economic formulas that prove it wrong.
Lets see these formulas..... Yeah Bluff I call Your BLUFF
 

Prefontaine

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i am tired of this hyperbolic bs

you think it is a theoretical struggle?? that only happens in the halls of universities. it is a struggle for money, it is survival at it's rawest form.

there's those of us that believe that a society must work together to make itself great. then there's people like you, that think that everybody acting independently will get the best outcome... that's not how it works and there's even mathematical/economic formulas that prove it wrong.
Also, this isnt just a theoretical debate, this is an issue that will spill into the streets
 

NoDrama

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LOL if gold was made into money there would be no price of gold. Everything would be priced in GOLD, not dollars. An ounce of gold would cost you one ounce of gold. ZERO inflation.
 

Prefontaine

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LOL if gold was made into money there would be no price of gold. Everything would be priced in GOLD, not dollars. An ounce of gold would cost you one ounce of gold. ZERO inflation.

no, way to simple for any of these obamites to understand
 

londonfog

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it says obama signed for the patriot to act to continue for four more years, this is after he said he would not do that.
ok now lets look at what he actually signed

The measure would add four years to the legal life of roving wiretaps, authorized for a person rather than a communications line or device; court-ordered searches of business records; and surveillance of non-American "lone wolf" suspects without confirmed ties to terrorist

Now do I like things like this..not really..will it have an affect on me..HELL NO....will the ends jusify the means..depends on whos in office...
 

NoDrama

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RP's job plan is to get rid of all the things that took the jobs away in the first place. Why has no one thought of this?
 

londonfog

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LOL if gold was made into money there would be no price of gold. Everything would be priced in GOLD, not dollars. An ounce of gold would cost you one ounce of gold. ZERO inflation.
you realize that its all a game of control don't you ????
 
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