20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

MrEDuck

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It's not too many variables. It's just I wish I could test them faster. I will happily spend the rest of my life testing said variables though.
If anyone ever wants any scholarly journal articles related to growing (or anything else) lemme know. I have fulltext access to a huge number of journals because my college research group hasn't changed it's library password.
 

Jozikins

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It's not too many variables. It's just I wish I could test them faster. I will happily spend the rest of my life testing said variables though.
If anyone ever wants any scholarly journal articles related to growing (or anything else) lemme know. I have fulltext access to a huge number of journals because my college research group hasn't changed it's library password.
I might roll up a hashy blunt and inquire further on that. I'll pop you a PM if I decide too.
 

Puanatat

Member
What else would you expect from CG?
I like to keep my expectations low, even though CG has been a class act throughout this thread, I was surprised and delited to see a good response. Especially considering his level of experience. What a nice guy haha!
 

dapio

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Hey CG have you ever mentioned this website to your attorney, if so what did he have to say?
 

collective gardener

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New Clones.jpgBig Mommas.jpgOld Mother Stock.jpgPlenty of veg lights.jpg2 oz flushed plant.jpgDrying buds.jpgBubba Nugs.jpgBubba Nugs 2.jpg

Some pics taken tonight:

in no particular order

A fresh batch of clones. Who says you need an aero cloner?...$5 clone tray, Dip-n-Grow and 100% success everytime

The Big Mommas rockwool blocks are pretty fucking big. I'm putting the clone on early to get a better root mass.

The trunk from the last of the trees.

Extra lights in veg room from when we grew trees. They're going into the bloom room in next week's remodel.

About a 2 Oz plant ready for trimming.

Approx. 3lbs of drying buds...and we got a LOOOOOOONG way to go. Yipee!

A couple closeups of the Pre-98 Bubba Kush. She is a low yielder, but oh so good. The entire crop is already spoken for...even had to tell a couple folks "Sold Out". I'm counting my luck stars, knocking on wood, and all kinds of other shit.
 

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
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Some pics taken tonight:

in no particular order

A fresh batch of clones. Who says you need an aero cloner?...$5 clone tray, Dip-n-Grow and 100% success everytime

The Big Mommas rockwool blocks are pretty fucking big. I'm putting the clone on early to get a better root mass.

The trunk from the last of the trees.

Extra lights in veg room from when we grew trees. They're going into the bloom room in next week's remodel.

About a 2 Oz plant ready for trimming.

Approx. 3lbs of drying buds...and we got a LOOOOOOONG way to go. Yipee!

A couple closeups of the Pre-98 Bubba Kush. She is a low yielder, but oh so good. The entire crop is already spoken for...even had to tell a couple folks "Sold Out". I'm counting my luck stars, knocking on wood, and all kinds of other shit.
looks great CG love that pre-98 bubba looks tasty
 

Jozikins

Well-Known Member
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Some pics taken tonight:

in no particular order

A fresh batch of clones. Who says you need an aero cloner?...$5 clone tray, Dip-n-Grow and 100% success everytime

The Big Mommas rockwool blocks are pretty fucking big. I'm putting the clone on early to get a better root mass.

The trunk from the last of the trees.

Extra lights in veg room from when we grew trees. They're going into the bloom room in next week's remodel.

About a 2 Oz plant ready for trimming.

Approx. 3lbs of drying buds...and we got a LOOOOOOONG way to go. Yipee!

A couple closeups of the Pre-98 Bubba Kush. She is a low yielder, but oh so good. The entire crop is already spoken for...even had to tell a couple folks "Sold Out". I'm counting my luck stars, knocking on wood, and all kinds of other shit.
I can truly appreciate the effort you and your helpers put into keeping everything clean. This is surely a large credit to your success. Everything is clean and accessible, and that makes it so much easier to work efficiently. You work really well with that rockwool too, yours is always spotless and proportionate to the plant (well at least you try to keep it proportionate!)

Also, Dip N Grow is the shit, the only other product that I've used that is as good is the Rootech and the Clonex gel, but at 3x the price, and only a fraction of the product, it really doesn't hold much value. Dip N Grow all the way.
 

collective gardener

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I can truly appreciate the effort you and your helpers put into keeping everything clean. This is surely a large credit to your success. Everything is clean and accessible, and that makes it so much easier to work efficiently. You work really well with that rockwool too, yours is always spotless and proportionate to the plant (well at least you try to keep it proportionate!)

Also, Dip N Grow is the shit, the only other product that I've used that is as good is the Rootech and the Clonex gel, but at 3x the price, and only a fraction of the product, it really doesn't hold much value. Dip N Grow all the way.

Thank you very much for the kind words. I can't take credit for the cleanliness...my wife can't stand messes and keeps the place pretty sterile. There's always a slight hint of bleach smell in the air...and that's a good thing.

I can take credit for the layout, and everything being accessible. For years I would build my grow ops too crowded. It was just greed, really. I always had X amount of space to work with and wanted to jam as much canopy into it as possible. This grow was different. There were no limits. I had 1,500 sq ft total warehouse space, and 400 amps of 3 phase power. Shit, there wasn't even a $$$ limit. So, I decided that this grow was going to have walkways, storage space, and basic room to move around. I think a good formula for the bloom room is 2 sq ft of total space for every 1 sq ft of canopy. My room is a little tighter than that, but close enough. For veg think 4 to 1 is better. Most of the work and storage is in the veg room, and you need more room.

Of course, with time comes expansion plans. The original 200 sq ft of bloom canopy will soom become 236...soon, as in, next week. I was hoping for 264+, but the need for walkways and elbow room crushed the idea. The total area in the bloom room is 348 sq ft. As you can see, I'm deviating from my own 2 to 1 ideal. The only saving grace is that there will be zero equipment on the ground in the bloom room. The carbon filters are mounted up high (we have a 10' ceiling), the fans on the wall, and the nute tanks are all in veg. With nothing on the floor, moving about will not be too bad. I'm giving up some walking space for 4 dedicated 9 sq ft testing trays, 2 lit by 600's and 2 lit by dimmable 1000's. That's a fair trade. I'll miss the extra space, but now we can do some REAL testing, without affecting the production of the rest of the room. When we're not testing, those 4 trays represent about 2 lbs per month of extra meds.

To stay on topic (clean and organized), I've had messy grow ops before. It's not fun and it's dangerous. I'm really trying to keep this one clean and organized. When I visit a new dispensary to drop off samples, I bring pics of the grow op. My hope is that clean grow room pics will tell the guy that we're who he/she should be doing business with. One guy said he was going to start dermanding pics from all his vendors. From some the the extension cord laced ops I've seen in here, it won't be pretty.
 

TheLastWood

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See gardener now you just need to learn how to grow "in layers" lol. All that free space up by the cieling is valuable real estate man. You could have a whole nother 236 sq ft on top of your 236 sq ft!.

Lol I'm just messin with ya, but its funny cuz I bet you will ponder on the idea for a while. If anyone could do it it'd be u.
 

greenthumbsman

Active Member
i seen you was pondering over the AN my suggestion is XNURTIETS they have free samples to try and man im tellin ive never used ANYTHING out here that runs as clean as that stuff especially for the price ive used ff ,an,bc,gh,and dutchmaster this stuff is awesome just my two sense lol awesome op by the way im def droolin
 

Jozikins

Well-Known Member
Thank you very much for the kind words. I can't take credit for the cleanliness...my wife can't stand messes and keeps the place pretty sterile. There's always a slight hint of bleach smell in the air...and that's a good thing.

I can take credit for the layout, and everything being accessible. For years I would build my grow ops too crowded. It was just greed, really. I always had X amount of space to work with and wanted to jam as much canopy into it as possible. This grow was different. There were no limits. I had 1,500 sq ft total warehouse space, and 400 amps of 3 phase power. Shit, there wasn't even a $$$ limit. So, I decided that this grow was going to have walkways, storage space, and basic room to move around. I think a good formula for the bloom room is 2 sq ft of total space for every 1 sq ft of canopy. My room is a little tighter than that, but close enough. For veg think 4 to 1 is better. Most of the work and storage is in the veg room, and you need more room.

Of course, with time comes expansion plans. The original 200 sq ft of bloom canopy will soom become 236...soon, as in, next week. I was hoping for 264+, but the need for walkways and elbow room crushed the idea. The total area in the bloom room is 348 sq ft. As you can see, I'm deviating from my own 2 to 1 ideal. The only saving grace is that there will be zero equipment on the ground in the bloom room. The carbon filters are mounted up high (we have a 10' ceiling), the fans on the wall, and the nute tanks are all in veg. With nothing on the floor, moving about will not be too bad. I'm giving up some walking space for 4 dedicated 9 sq ft testing trays, 2 lit by 600's and 2 lit by dimmable 1000's. That's a fair trade. I'll miss the extra space, but now we can do some REAL testing, without affecting the production of the rest of the room. When we're not testing, those 4 trays represent about 2 lbs per month of extra meds.

To stay on topic (clean and organized), I've had messy grow ops before. It's not fun and it's dangerous. I'm really trying to keep this one clean and organized. When I visit a new dispensary to drop off samples, I bring pics of the grow op. My hope is that clean grow room pics will tell the guy that we're who he/she should be doing business with. One guy said he was going to start dermanding pics from all his vendors. From some the the extension cord laced ops I've seen in here, it won't be pretty.
You're welcome for the compliment, a well deserved one for you and your wife. I to love the slight smell of bleach in the air in all my grow rooms. Let's me know I don't have a problem to look forward too.

I like how you keep space open, we have tried to do that in my space but there just isn't enough room for the both of us, so we are now sacrificing our comfort for more plants. We aren't producing like we should be at the moment, and it's because we are catering to much to ourselves and not the plants. I wish they required photos of grow room to vend, it would get rid of a lot of dirty ass weed. I'm always so scared to try something someone bought for 5 dollars a gram at a dispensary, who knows what horribly disgusting conditions and treatments those plants were in.

I highly suggest sacrificing space for experimenting though! I have been growing with experimental grow spaces for a long time now and have never regretted it, it propels you through a lot of grow experience very quickly. I think you are going to enjoy growing with 600w lamps. I surely do. For a few short months, I was once gifted with unlimited space, equipment, and money, but greed is too much for some people and because of that persons greed my opportunity was taken away. But it only leaves me more room and time to create something much better on my own or with friends.
 

collective gardener

Well-Known Member
i seen you was pondering over the AN my suggestion is XNURTIETS they have free samples to try and man im tellin ive never used ANYTHING out here that runs as clean as that stuff especially for the price ive used ff ,an,bc,gh,and dutchmaster this stuff is awesome just my two sense lol awesome op by the way im def droolin
Thanks for the rec. For now, I'm gonna keep the testing to just a few things on the shelf at my hydro store. I, too have tried most of the nutes you mentioned. I've just steered away from AN because I really don't care for the company. I also think with that much money spent on marketing, how much could be left for what goes into the bottle. But, I just had to give that Coneseur a try. I have to say (and I HATE to say), the plants getting the AN have a better bud set and tighter node spacing than my good ol Cutting edge. From experience I know that in itself doesn't mean much....we're only 20 days into blooming. To justify the cost, That stuff is really going to have to perform outstanding.
 

collective gardener

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You're welcome for the compliment, a well deserved one for you and your wife. I to love the slight smell of bleach in the air in all my grow rooms. Let's me know I don't have a problem to look forward too.

I like how you keep space open, we have tried to do that in my space but there just isn't enough room for the both of us, so we are now sacrificing our comfort for more plants. We aren't producing like we should be at the moment, and it's because we are catering to much to ourselves and not the plants. I wish they required photos of grow room to vend, it would get rid of a lot of dirty ass weed. I'm always so scared to try something someone bought for 5 dollars a gram at a dispensary, who knows what horribly disgusting conditions and treatments those plants were in.

I highly suggest sacrificing space for experimenting though! I have been growing with experimental grow spaces for a long time now and have never regretted it, it propels you through a lot of grow experience very quickly. I think you are going to enjoy growing with 600w lamps. I surely do. For a few short months, I was once gifted with unlimited space, equipment, and money, but greed is too much for some people and because of that persons greed my opportunity was taken away. But it only leaves me more room and time to create something much better on my own or with friends.
I'll be losing some of that open space in bloom pretty quick. Fortunately, my veg room is huge, and that's where I do all of my work. Even pruning plants in bloom takes place in the veg room. We were originally growing trees, so the veg room has 6 - 1000 watt lights, a 4 bulb T-5, an 8 bulb T-5, and a clone light. It also houses the main RO water res and 4 nutrients res's. Add to that all of our rockwool, nute, and growing tools. Even with all that, there's still a ton of room in there. In fact, 2 - 1000 watt lights are being moved into the bloom room during the remodel. I can easily get by with 2 - 4x8 tables lit by 2 - 1000's each. I've been using the T-5's for the first few days that the cuttings are out of the cloning trays.

Trying the Grodan Big Mammas for the first time. They absolutely need to be soaked overnight prior to using. I tried a 10 minute soak, to no avail. Half hour after I placed the 4" blocks on the Big Mammas, the Big Mamma dried out and took the water in the 4" block with it. If I didn't happen to check them I could have lost my whole batch of freshly rooted cuts. I'm thinking they might just be a tad too big. Currently, I'm trying Hugo blocks sitting on about 4" of Grodan croutons in a 2 gallon pot. That is working quite well. The roots grow out the bottom of the Hugos into the very wet croutons...giving the plants some extra water should the Hugo get dry. I also feel that the air space between the croutons is a wonderful source of oxygen for the roots. I was hoping the Big Mammas would makw life easier by allowing me to just use a bare block, instead of a Hugo in a pot on top of croutons. But the Big Mammas are just SOOOOO big and such a pain to wet out. Plus, they're over $5/each. I'm going to run 28 of them and see what happens. If they don't do better than the Hugo/crouton combo, I'll stop using them. The Hugos can just be dipped in nutrient solution for a few seconds and they're good to go.

As far as 600's, I think they will work well for the testing trays. Each 600 will light a 3x3 tray with 9 plants. I'm more exited about the testing trays than the increased production space. I've always wanted to see if I could get a live "soil" organic grow going in rockwool. With the HUGE selection of liquid organic nutes now available, it should be quite easy. A couple of dispensaries I deal with are asking me if I can supply them with organic Bubba. I'm sure that, in time, most California dispensaries will be buying mostly organic. If I can get the rockwool to yield the same with organic nutes as it currently does with chem nutes, I'll probably be all organic within a year. But I won't change anything in the production trays until the new method is thoroughly proven in the test trays. I've spent too long getting the current system yielding what it is today.

Damn I write alot. It's 2am and I'm kind of punchy from lack of sleep...or maybe it was that Lavander blunt I just took to the head.
 

C.Indica

Well-Known Member
Hey CG, I've been up all night too..
Half drunk from this morning still.

Well I suppose that would be yesterday morning.
I really enjoy reading this thread, it's like a safe haven.

What you are doing is indoor agriculture, where quality and money saved have to be at equilibrium.
Here I get to read and study the commercial process, and learn many good reasons for silly tricks and methods.

Thanks for your work, and an immense kudos for excellent documentation.
More photoshoots would be nice though, just saying:leaf:
 

Jozikins

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Wow bro. I just typed out an equally as long and very informative response, and one backspace stroke took it all away from me... wtf RIU??
I'll give you my input tomorrow, or maybe after another giant bowl. Fucking A', organics, 600's, and utilizing grow space are my specialties, especially as of late!
 
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