Can You Answer These Questions?

Hepheastus420

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This is not an attack on religious people nor on atheists. I am not saying these questions reflect any of my beliefs they are just general questions to increase mine (and hopefully) your intelligence. This thread may get a little unorganized due to the complicated questions, so we do not have time for arguing or name calling. So please do not take this thread offensively. If you can answer any of these questions label your answer with the question number to prevent a mess of answers.


1: according to the big bang theory what caused the big bang if nothing existed at that time?

2: if there was no life when the big bang happened then how did life originate? In other words how did life pop up on earth?

3: If you yourself cannot verify what scientist discover then would you say you have "faith" in science since you may not know how to prove these facts yourself? Instead you would have believe what ever they tell you is the truth.

4: If evolution is real then why didn't other life forms evolve as rapidly as humans? Like why didn't they grow thumbs or become as intelligent as humans?*how did humans end up being the masters of every other species on Earth? *Why didn’t lions or rabbits or fish or monkeys or cats or dogs develop such a great intelligence and the ability to speak in so many different languages and the ability to build strong structures and the ability to civilize and the ability to master any environmental challenge? *

5: if evolution is correct then why are there still monkeys? Like many people say we started off as monkeys then slowly evolved into what we are today, so if that's true why are they still around and didn't evolve with us? Like scientist believe that many Prehistoric animals evolved into what they are today and the prehistoric form of that animal no longer lives, so why isn't that the case with humans and monkeys?

6: if you are atheist do you value the human life more than other animals life? Let's say a cat and man are in a burning building on opposite ends, who would you save? If you believe we are just here on earth to complete the circle of life then shouldn't both lives have equal value?

7: where did universal morality come from? Like everybody (even if not influenced by society) has a sense of morality.*

8: if question 7 is wrong and humans do not naturally have a sense of morality then would a child that is born away from society not know the difference between our definition of "right" and "wrong"?

9: how did opposite sex come about?
Why did it come about? If one species did not have a female or male counterpart then that species would not advance and evolve, so did male and female life forms come about into this world at the exact same time?*Wouldn't it be more simple if an opposite sex never existed and we just self reproduced?*

^^^ did a little research on this and found a similar question that seems better worded, so here it is.
The species could not have survived without a female. Why did hundreds of thousands of animals, fish, reptiles, and birds (over millions of years) evolve a female partner (that coincidentally matured at just the right time) within each species?

10: (ha sounds funny but serious question) which came first the chicken or the egg? Seriously think about it.
 

Hepheastus420

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I have thought of these questions since I was young and finally decided to get the pressure off my chest and share it with you guys so here ya go.
 

bestbuds09

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questions 1-10
answer GOD

on a serious note those are very good questions. i wish we had a sciencetologists in riu to read what they have to say....
 

ginjawarrior

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1.quantum fluctuations, try watching this for clues
[youtube]rQ8rd7AkMmY[/youtube]

2.the earth didn't even form till 10000000000 years after the universe (would be impossible to have held like from start
but life arose by chance

3. science is repeatable there is nothing at all stopping you from deciding to learn the subject to find out for yourself

4. i think your misunderstanding evolution yeah we are intelligent. but across nature plants/animals have evolved to make much better use of their environment than we ever could

5.monkeys are our cousins.. its like saying austrailia is made up of british immigrants why then are there still british about 100's of yeahs down line

6.would be human...

7.we have evolved as a social species. part of being in social group means we need to be hard wired to get on

8. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child

9. opposite sexes came about long time ago as a defense against disease

if they didn't mature at right time species would die out

10. eggs were about a long time before chickens even existed ;)

@6,7,8 you still seem set on god being only way for morality.
i saw this first yesterday (its gonna be next book i read) i invite you to listen to whats said
[youtube]kriguuKVJyw[/youtube]
 

Harrekin

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Ok here we go:
1. Science does not specify exactly what happened (yet), but the Big Bang Theory states that the entire universe was compressed before the explosion occurred

2. Life originated when larger and more complex molecules were formed and these started to clump together in arrangements called organic molecules (like amino acids). These amino acids then formed more and more complex structures and the rest as they say is history.

3. I believe in science because it is repeatable by anyone with the correct techniques and equipment,thus making it verifiable.

4. Other creatures evolved at a similar speed as humans, we're just the more intelligent ones out of the bunch.

5. Evolution states that humans shared a common ancestor with chimpanzees (provable by DNA). Any TINY variation in the past may have resulted in humans not becoming dominant on Earth... Chimps use a variety of tools to achieve basic goals, did they always? Who says one day they won't end up like us?

6. Yes I am an athiest and I do have alot more compassion for a sentient self-aware human over an animal that hasn't evolved to that point yet. Animals generally are pure survival,with no actual thought except that. Humans have evolved to the point where we ask questions like the ones you posted here.

7. Morality is NOT universal, it is 100% learned and feral children DO exist in some isolated parts of the world. Suppose cannibals (for example) are just immune to your universal morality? (sarcasm)

8. Refer to answer 7.

9. Same reason hermaphrodite cannabis plants came about,and auto-flowering plants...evolution adjusting the creature to survive in it's surroundings.

10. Something way less complicated that either came first and evolved...the chicken and egg analogy doesn't actually work in the real world.


Stay deluded if you wish,but because the world is too complicated for you to understand doesn't mean you have to try dumb it down for the rest of us. Religion is a method of explaining complicated things to simple people,much like Dora the Explorer does for children.

Peace ;)

8.
 

Harrekin

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Damn you beat me to it!

Props on the answers tho,disturbingly similar to mine,great minds ;)
 

karri0n

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We did not evolve from monkeys. Primates as a larger family split off from mammals, and from there split several more times leading to what we have today, a diverse set of primates ranging from monkeys, to great apes, to humans, to bigfoot. Great apes did not come from monkeys, and monkeys did not come from great apes. They all evolved separately. The "monkeys" that WE came from (the common ancestor that was the primate family) doesn't exist any more.
 

Padawanbater2

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1: according to the big bang theory what caused the big bang if nothing existed at that time?

A. We don't know for sure.

2: if there was no life when the big bang happened then how did life originate? In other words how did life pop up on earth?

A. We also don't know that for sure.

3: If you yourself cannot verify what scientist discover then would you say you have "faith" in science since you may not know how to prove these facts yourself? Instead you would have believe what ever they tell you is the truth.

A. No I wouldn't, because of the peer review process. It doesn't matter if I can replicate these experiments myself and see the results personally because of the way the system works. One scientist (or team of scientists) presents an idea then hands it over to the rest of the community and says "prove it wrong". When nobody does, it gains credibility and validity. The longer it goes without someone coming along with valid evidence against it, the stronger it gets.

Contrast that with actual 'faith' in organized religions. That which you MUST accept WITHOUT evidence. It's stark, to say the least.

4: If evolution is real then why didn't other life forms evolve as rapidly as humans?

A. The rate at which organisms evolve is dependent upon the environment the organism lives in. Some organisms evolve faster than humans because their lifespans are shorter, some take longer because their environments don't change dramatically over long periods of time.

-Like why didn't they grow thumbs or become as intelligent as humans?

A. Because evolution isn't an active, intelligent, guiding process, it attempts to find the most suitable change to benefit the organism. Richard Dawkins has a few books detailing the entire process and they're really interesting to read.

-How did humans end up being the masters of every other species on Earth?

A. We mastered manipulation with the physical world. Our brains and our hands are probably the two most important features of our evolution that got us to where we are today. We can manipulate the environment, other animals can't (on such scales).

The short answer is because we're smarter than they are. While other animals were developing teeth, claws, wings, gills, etc. our ancestors were focused mainly on avoiding these predators, looking for food and figuring out how to stay alive.

-Why didn’t lions or rabbits or fish or monkeys or cats or dogs develop such a great intelligence and the ability to speak in so many different languages and the ability to build strong structures and the ability to civilize and the ability to master any environmental challenge?

A. Because their evolution didn't require it for success like ours did. The smarter our ancestors got, the more likely their offspring would survive into adulthood and produce more offspring, increasing the numbers of the species. That is natural selection. 'Nature', 'selects' which organisms survive and which ones don't. The ones that do pass on their 'smart gene' (the genes that helped them survive longer than the other guy) to the next generation.

5: if evolution is correct then why are there still monkeys?

A. There are still monkeys because we share a common ancestor WITH modern monkeys, we didn't evolve FROM monkeys. Think of them as genetic cousins.

6: if you are atheist do you value the human life more than other animals life?

A. Not necessarily, to tell you the truth, when I realized I was an atheist - that you, and everything else that is alive only has one life to live - it made me reconsider even stepping on bugs. I value all life. If it came down to a situation in which I HAD to choose, of course I would choose a human over an animal, but not because I'm an atheist.

-Let's say a cat and man are in a burning building on opposite ends, who would you save? If you believe we are just here on earth to complete the circle of life then shouldn't both lives have equal value?

A. No, I don't think so. Both lives are valuable, but humans live longer, they can produce more, there are emotional attachments with other people involved, they may have a family, there are hundreds of variables that run through your mind when making a split second decision like that. Also, you're hardwired to feel empathy, so your genetics are telling you to save the human.

7: where did universal morality come from?

A. "Universal Morality" is an illusion. If you're asking how do people know it's wrong to kill another person - instinctively. That's another one of those things that is hardwired into your physiology. (this can, and is, manipulated very easily though)

8: if question 7 is wrong and humans do not naturally have a sense of morality then would a child that is born away from society not know the difference between our definition of "right" and "wrong"?

A. Many peoples definition of 'right' and 'wrong' are different as they're human concepts thought up by the society in which we live. Move to a different society, different things will be right and wrong.

9: how did opposite sex come about?
Why did it come about? If one species did not have a female or male counterpart then that species would not advance and evolve, so did male and female life forms come about into this world at the exact same time?*Wouldn't it be more simple if an opposite sex never existed and we just self reproduced?*

^^^ did a little research on this and found a similar question that seems better worded, so here it is.
The species could not have survived without a female. Why did hundreds of thousands of animals, fish, reptiles, and birds (over millions of years) evolve a female partner (that coincidentally matured at just the right time) within each species?

A. Sexual reproduction from two organisms as opposed to just one produces genetic variation and helps the organism survive. Think of it like this.. Say I have a cold, what do you think would be a more effective way to get rid of it, if I used one cold medicine (the immune system my ancestor left me with when I separated as a clone via a-sexual reproduction) or if I used a cold medicine + washed my hands, got rest, drank enough fluids (as represented by a sexual mate, you combine both sets of immunity preventative potential into one organism - the offspring)?

Short answer - sexual reproduction with another mate produces stronger ways to fight infection or diseases ensuring the odds of reaching adulthood and passing your genetic information to the next generation are better.

10: (ha sounds funny but serious question) which came first the chicken or the egg? Seriously think about it.

A. The egg
 

Luger187

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1: according to the big bang theory what caused the big bang if nothing existed at that time?
we dont know

2: if there was no life when the big bang happened then how did life originate? In other words how did life pop up on earth?
there are a few theories. the major one is that early life started as a 'simple' molecule chain that could self replicate. then as time progressed, it was able to change in various ways, and over LONG periods of time, they change a lot and grow more complexed. the way this came about is still a mystery, but we are slowly figuring it out.
it was probably a long sequence of events and simply a coincidence IMO

3: If you yourself cannot verify what scientist discover then would you say you have "faith" in science since you may not know how to prove these facts yourself? Instead you would have believe what ever they tell you is the truth.
if you know how the process works, you can look at their evidence and facts and see for yourself if they are making shit up. you should never trust them if they just say 'this is how it happened', without providing evidence or experiments to back up their claims.

4: If evolution is real then why didn't other life forms evolve as rapidly as humans? Like why didn't they grow thumbs or become as intelligent as humans?*how did humans end up being the masters of every other species on Earth? *Why didn’t lions or rabbits or fish or monkeys or cats or dogs develop such a great intelligence and the ability to speak in so many different languages and the ability to build strong structures and the ability to civilize and the ability to master any environmental challenge? *
because intelligence is our niche. lions are the way they are because their big teeth and stealth help them eat. rabbits are fast so they can run away from predators. everything has to fill a niche. intelligence just so happened to be our thing, and it turns out to have VERY good outcomes for us. we were able to survive because we could make a fire to scare away animals, make huts and clothing to protect us from the cold, and weapons to help us hunt. we dont need big claws and teeth because intelligence gives us the capabilities to survive.
also, its not that we evolved faster. we are just different. our difference turns out to give us a real great advantage.

5: if evolution is correct then why are there still monkeys? Like many people say we started off as monkeys then slowly evolved into what we are today, so if that's true why are they still around and didn't evolve with us? Like scientist believe that many Prehistoric animals evolved into what they are today and the prehistoric form of that animal no longer lives, so why isn't that the case with humans and monkeys?
there are MANY species of apes that died off. in fact, most of them have, and there are few survivors. we are but one of the survivors. the other survivors are the apes we see today. this is because they have also found their niches in the forest. they have simply adapted in a different manner than we have.
they are like cousins to us. they look less like us then our brothers and sisters would. now imagine the distance between us and other apes being much bigger genetically, and you can start to see why they are so different. yet they still share the majority of their DNA with us, so we know they are close cousins

6: if you are atheist do you value the human life more than other animals life? Let's say a cat and man are in a burning building on opposite ends, who would you save? If you believe we are just here on earth to complete the circle of life then shouldn't both lives have equal value?
i would probably save the man to be honest. but i think thats just because humans tend to want to save the human more than the cat. its not that the cat has less value. the human just probably stirs up emotions more, so we choose him. get what im sayin?
but yes i do believe that all life is essentially made of the same thing, and we should respect and give back to nature.

7: where did universal morality come from? Like everybody (even if not influenced by society) has a sense of morality.*
this would be a pretty long answer and im too lazy right now lol
im sure theres videos on youtube if you dont find an answer here

8: if question 7 is wrong and humans do not naturally have a sense of morality then would a child that is born away from society not know the difference between our definition of "right" and "wrong"?
i think we do have a natural sense of morality. the child would have it, but it may be skewed based on his experiences

9: how did opposite sex come about?
Why did it come about? If one species did not have a female or male counterpart then that species would not advance and evolve, so did male and female life forms come about into this world at the exact same time?*Wouldn't it be more simple if an opposite sex never existed and we just self reproduced?*

^^^ did a little research on this and found a similar question that seems better worded, so here it is.
The species could not have survived without a female. Why did hundreds of thousands of animals, fish, reptiles, and birds (over millions of years) evolve a female partner (that coincidentally matured at just the right time) within each species?
im not sure how the male-female thing originated, but the reason it still exists is because it creates stronger creatures. with single-celled organisms, they replicate their dna exactly, and pass it on to their daughter cells. their genetic variation comes from mutation only. species with males and females SHARE their genes with eachother, and they combine in a seed or egg. this mixes their genes, causing MUCH more variation in the genetic makeup, and allowing for much more mutations or adaptions. those adaptions and mutations that provide a positive impact will be passed on because they are stronger or can mate more easily or find food better, etc.

10: (ha sounds funny but serious question) which came first the chicken or the egg? Seriously think about it.
im sure it was the egg because they have been around a LOT longer than chickens have been around. but if you specifically mean a chicken egg, im not sure. it would depend on a strict definition of chicken, because at some point there would be a mother that is not technically a chicken, but the egg is. idk...
 

Hepheastus420

Well-Known Member
Ok here we go:
1. Science does not specify exactly what happened (yet), but the Big Bang Theory states that the entire universe was compressed before the explosion occurred

2. Life originated when larger and more complex molecules were formed and these started to clump together in arrangements called organic molecules (like amino acids). These amino acids then formed more and more complex structures and the rest as they say is history.

3. I believe in science because it is repeatable by anyone with the correct techniques and equipment,thus making it verifiable.

4. Other creatures evolved at a similar speed as humans, we're just the more intelligent ones out of the bunch.

5. Evolution states that humans shared a common ancestor with chimpanzees (provable by DNA). Any TINY variation in the past may have resulted in humans not becoming dominant on Earth... Chimps use a variety of tools to achieve basic goals, did they always? Who says one day they won't end up like us?

6. Yes I am an athiest and I do have alot more compassion for a sentient self-aware human over an animal that hasn't evolved to that point yet. Animals generally are pure survival,with no actual thought except that. Humans have evolved to the point where we ask questions like the ones you posted here.

7. Morality is NOT universal, it is 100% learned and feral children DO exist in some isolated parts of the world. Suppose cannibals (for example) are just immune to your universal morality? (sarcasm)

8. Refer to answer 7.

9. Same reason hermaphrodite cannabis plants came about,and auto-flowering plants...evolution adjusting the creature to survive in it's surroundings.

10. Something way less complicated that either came first and evolved...the chicken and egg analogy doesn't actually work in the real world.


Stay deluded if you wish,but because the world is too complicated for you to understand doesn't mean you have to try dumb it down for the rest of us. Religion is a method of explaining complicated things to simple people,much like Dora the Explorer does for children.

Peace ;)

8.
1. If this whole universe was compressed before the big bang have they came up with another theory, you would have to believe, to explain the origin of the first particle of matter?

2. Respectable answer, but is this fact or a theory? Have they combined amino acids together to replicate what happened all those years ago? If they have and they created a more complex cell structure then I must admit I was blind to see a huge break through in science.

3. Since you brought up religion and my intelligence just to insult it I feel that I must insult yours and tell you that no matter how many people run their own studies I doubt you yourself have the intelligence to conduct these experiments to find if they are the truth, therefore you would have a certain degree of "faith" in science. Many scientist throughout the world and time have told people the "truth" so that years and years later they would be proven wrong. Point is that those people that believed the first scientist believed him for his experiments he tested and had "faith" that he was right when they were wrong.

4. Respectable answer, strange how much more we are advanced We are, then let's say a whale.

5. If they are our ancestors why aren't they a little less hairless and have more intelligence by this point in time? Why can't we see the extreme similarities between us. Couldn't they at least build a house made of things you would find in the wild or build a fire if they re so similar to us?

6. So new question, if not influenced by society to save the human because of emotions would you save the cat, the human, or neither because it is neither "wrong" nor "right" to just leave them there without societies view on the situation.

7. Respectable answer.

8. Respectable answer.

9. Previous answers have made me understand why the opposite sex exists.

10. So in the "real world" neither chicken nor egg appeared before each other? So are you either saying they don't exist at all or that they showed up at the same time?

And do not insult my intelligence. You have no clue how smart I really am. Who's to say your not some dumbass who listens and believes every word a scientist tells you? I do not believe I am dumbing it down, I am just asking a few questions. I may be smarter than you in alot of different subjects, so pretty much what I'm saying is shut up because you don't know how intelligent I am.
Also do not continue to insult me because I clearly stated that this behavior is not allowed and wastes people time reading this bullshit.
Since this post requires you to respond to fulfill it then I would appreciate it if you would respond to just the questions and not the insults you add on the bottom. The bottom insults I included are justified by the fact that I was just sticking up for myself, and I actually had respect for you and your answers before you added your 2 cents.
 

tyler.durden

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Pada & Luger covered most questions very well, so I won't do that again. But there's a couple questions I'd like to address:


1: according to the big bang theory what caused the big bang if nothing existed at that time?

The Big Bang doesn't say nothing existed, it states that the universe came from a singularity (an unbelievable amount of energy condensed to a tiny single point). Some physicists believe that each Big Bang is followed by a Big Crunch: After a Bang the universe expands to the point that it expends all energy, at this point, gravity, normally one of the weaker forces, becomes the dominant force. Slowly at first, the universe comes back together, and quicker and quicker as mass condenses until it is at a single point again. Then another Big Bang and the cycle continues. Or so the theory goes, but this is just one theory...

2: if there was no life when the big bang happened then how did life originate? In other words how did life pop up on earth?

There's a line of thought that biology is simply advanced chemistry, IOW when chemical elements arrange in a certain way with the right catalysts you get self-replicating molecules, i.e. RNA & DNA (life). I watched a Nova episode lately in which scientists are attempting to start life in a lab, and they are very close to creating self-replicating molecules.

6: if you are atheist do you value the human life more than other animals life? Let's say a cat and man are in a burning building on opposite ends, who would you save? If you believe we are just here on earth to complete the circle of life then shouldn't both lives have equal value?

I don't know if atheism has much to do with it, but I personally feel that human life trumps all. I probably feel this way because it is programmed into me on a genetic level, but I also believe that it is because human consciousness is the highest value: we don't have to adapt to our environment, but instead we make it adapt to us (i.e. if in a cold climate, nature would probably have us grow fur over thousands of years, while our method would be to wear warm clothing and build heaters over a few short weeks). Consciousness takes care of our needs far greater than nature can, and we're learning to control nature more and more as technology develops. No matter how much we nuture the Earth, some day (maybe 10 billion years from now), our sun will fizzle out or go nova, and we will have to abandon this planet for before that for our species to survive. I have a personal view that life evolves (probably around the universe) until it gets to conscious creatures, at which point, conscious creatures begin to direct nature. We have only been building technology for a few thousand years and look what we have accomplished and what we can do, can you imagine the technology conscious creatures have after a million years, or a billion? Remember Clarke's third law: 'Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic'.

7: where did universal morality come from? Like everybody (even if not influenced by society) has a sense of morality.*

Richard Dawkins and other biologists have a good working theory on the evolution of morality: up until recently, man evolved in small hunter gatherer tribes (usually about 150 in number), so the probability was that you were related to everyone in the tribe. Cooperation, reciprocity and altruism made sense as you were all passing on the same genes (the golden rule, you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours). Now with larger societies, the probability is that we don't share family genes with the strangers we're nice too, or go out of our way for. So, it seems modern altruism is a misfiring (don't like that word) of our evolutionary tendencies...


10: (ha sounds funny but serious question) which came first the chicken or the egg? Seriously think about it.

The chicken egg. We know that species evolve by genetic mutation, so at some point two chicken-like precursors had an offspring that we call the modern day chicken that was slightly different from it's parents (since we didn't consider them chickens). Then that offspring had their own offspring, which were also chickens, and so on...
 

Luger187

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1. If this whole universe was compressed before the big bang have they came up with another theory, you would have to believe, to explain the origin of the first particle of matter?
it is not simply matter was squished down, and then eventually it disappeared into nothingness. there was no matter in the beginning. as the universe expanded, there was 'pure energy'. it was too hot and too chaotic for protons, neutrons, and electrons to form atoms(and even for those particles themselves to form). for a while there wasnt even light.

this is why atom bombs work. matter is energy, and energy is matter. they are interchangeable.

2. Respectable answer, but is this fact or a theory? Have they combined amino acids together to replicate what happened all those years ago? If they have and they created a more complex cell structure then I must admit I was blind to see a huge break through in science.
i believe they recently made amino acids and showed they could form naturally. i think theyre still working on combining them and getting it to replicate, etc.
go to sciencedaily.com and sign up for email updates in whichever topics you are interested in.

3. Since you brought up religion and my intelligence just to insult it I feel that I must insult yours and tell you that no matter how many people run their own studies I doubt you yourself have the intelligence to conduct these experiments to find if they are the truth, therefore you would have a certain degree of "faith" in science. Many scientist throughout the world and time have told people the "truth" so that years and years later they would be proven wrong. Point is that those people that believed the first scientist believed him for his experiments he tested and had "faith" that he was right when they were wrong.
there is nothing wrong with science being proven wrong. it happens a lot. new evidence comes in and we may realize we were looking at the problem in the wrong way, or it provides a new clue that takes us in another direction. all we have to go on is the evidence and facts we have. we form the best conclusions we can, but sometimes they are wrong. things that have consistently failed to be proven wrong are considered 'more right'.
besides science, what is another way of verifying if something is true or not?

5. If they are our ancestors why aren't they a little less hairless and have more intelligence by this point in time? Why can't we see the extreme similarities between us. Couldn't they at least build a house made of things you would find in the wild or build a fire if they re so similar to us?
just because they are our ancestor does not mean they are going to be like us in the future :wall:
some apes do have a good amount of intelligence. they can use tools, and even have tribes that war with eachother. they also mourn the loss of their dead friends. some of these can also be seen in other organisms too. elephants, pigs, ants and dolphins do some of these things
i mean no offense by this, but have you ever taken a biology class? if not, i recommend you do so.

6. So new question, if not influenced by society to save the human because of emotions would you save the cat, the human, or neither because it is neither "wrong" nor "right" to just leave them there without societies view on the situation.
i think if a human were to get to that decision point where they decide to save neither, a logical process would over ride that thought. you would think "if i do nothing, both will die". this would push you to save one or the other. most likely you would pick the human based on emotional and subconscious reactions.
im not sure how a feral human would react. it depends on many factors im sure
 

Heisenberg

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I think you need to first be sure you are asking the right questions. For example, the monkeys into humans thing, google it and you'll see for yourself. You do not have to take the theory for an answer, but you should at least know what the theory says before you seek clarification. Same deal with the big bang. These models are available at wiki and hundreds of other sights and are not hard to read through.

Also remember that any answer we have, scientific or otherwise, is only an approximation of the truth. Science differs from religion in that it does not try to explain everything in one attempt that ends up being it's first and last. So remember when you read about a theory like the big bang no one is saying 'this is what happened'. What they are saying is, according to the evidence this is what we think happened. Often we must sort out the preliminary data before we even have a chance to get to the confirming evidence. This is the process of knowledge, concepts build on each other. Science constantly refines it's answers to be more and more accurate. The very goal of the scientific process is to prove itself wrong. Only by failing to prove a theory wrong can we gain any confidence that it might be right. Once a scientist or research group has exhausted all attempts to falsify a theory, it then hands over the results to peers who recreate the data to verify it, and then try themselves to prove the data wrong. When I say 'prove the data wrong' that is oversimplified. The process involves replication, verification, and prediction. It is a painstaking task that demands extreme attention, vigilance, and thoroughness. If the data survives all this, it is published in a peer reviewed journal where it is exposed to an even broader group of researchers who are also eager to test and verify. Notice how science does not discriminate between boarders or background. Information is shared freely in the scientific world. So once again, science differs from religion in that it brings humans together rather than give them reasons to separate.

So this is why we place a degree of trust on scientific answers. We trust that the goal of science is objectivity. We trust that data has been put through a rigorous critical analysis by multiple sources and survived. Even then we realize it is only an approximation of the truth based on what we currently know. The only alternative to this is to simply guess and get things right by accident. The reason we don't personally verify every scientific answer, aside from not having the time, is that many scientific concepts require a thorough understanding of advanced mathematical principals before we can even understand the terms used in the language of the theory. Physics for example is so complicated that we have an entire group of scientists who do nothing but look at data and theorize. They do not experiment or try to falsify, that is done by another set of scientists. The subject is too big for one mindset to handle it all. Concepts like the origins of life and reality are at the very fringe of our knowledge, they are expected to have holes and mistakes because we must figure out what we know before we can identify what we don't.

So probably the most glaring and important difference between science and religion is that science begs to be criticized, while religion forbids it. Science appeals to what we know while religion appeals to what we don't know. Science sees religion as erroneous. Religion sees science as a threat.
 

THENUMBER1022

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1: according to the big bang theory what caused the big bang if nothing existed at that time? either a star imploded/exploded, or a large mass was pressurized and suspended but became unsteady, and the vacuum of the universe threw matter lightyears in the eruption, and in some instances, infinitely, or ever moving - not in an orbit. A rock the size of jupiter wouldnt have to be the size of jupiter, It would be the size of a beachball, but have a density 40 million times greater than jupiter. Size is completely relative

2: if there was no life when the big bang happened then how did life originate? In other words how did life pop up on earth? Meteors contain extremely intricate DNA strands, may contain all of your answers.

3: If you yourself cannot verify what scientist discover then would you say you have "faith" in science since you may not know how to prove these facts yourself? Instead you would have believe what ever they tell you is the truth. Believe nothing of what you hear and half of what you see. There is absolutely nothing we are sure of.

4: If evolution is real then why didn't other life forms evolve as rapidly as humans? Like why didn't they grow thumbs or become as intelligent as humans?*how did humans end up being the masters of every other species on Earth? *Why didn’t lions or rabbits or fish or monkeys or cats or dogs develop such a great intelligence and the ability to speak in so many different languages and the ability to build strong structures and the ability to civilize and the ability to master any environmental challenge? * Darwin's theory suggests survival of the fittest. Implying that at the point of homoerectus, we were the elitest being on planet earth, therefor we progessed into homosapian to overcome the inherete flaws and challenges faced previously. We also lost all of our hair, much like some cats, rhinos, and other species that lost hair possibly from radiation damage. A supernova can unleash enough radiation to cook our earth instantly, if not for our o-zone and uv resistant atmosphere. If we damage our o-zone beyond uv protection, we can allow extremely high and dangerous levels of radiation to not only destroy human population, but all life on Earth. We think we have evolved to our limits but truthfully, we have no idea what these limits are, and probably never will.

5: if evolution is correct then why are there still monkeys? Like many people say we started off as monkeys then slowly evolved into what we are today, so if that's true why are they still around and didn't evolve with us? Like scientist believe that many Prehistoric animals evolved into what they are today and the prehistoric form of that animal no longer lives, so why isn't that the case with humans and monkeys? Why are there still tribes that have no contact with civilization, and consider airplanes to be spirits or gods. Why are there 20 year old feeder goldfish in my koi pond? Why do some humans live to 110 and others die at 50, and we consider it normal. The trick to survival is sustaining life. Some creatures/animals/people/living objects have the natural ability to not only sustain but flourish. Consider a mid's plant outside and trainwreck growing under 1000w hps... Why would the monkeys go away? they are much more adapted for living in nature. They are much stronger and stick to groups/families their entire lives. They are par and par with human life on earth in terms of ability to survive sever conditions. If anything, they are more likely to survive a natural disaster, assuming they are not washed away. They arent very good at swimming or building boats... Now to answer your questions with another. Why are there still sharks? predators in their ideal enviroment can survive indefinitely. Alligators and Crocidiles remain unchanged for 100 million years. They continue to grow their entire lives and perpetually outlive the previous record.

6: if you are atheist do you value the human life more than other animals life? Let's say a cat and man are in a burning building on opposite ends, who would you save? If you believe we are just here on earth to complete the circle of life then shouldn't both lives have equal value? We value objects that are worth valuing, and again thats all in relation to each individuals life. If the man has a job and a family, and just got back from a battle with prostate cancer, we are probably going to get the man out of their first. Unfortunately kittens cannot provide much more than a dead bird on your door step and a shitty smelling litterbox. I hate cats but myself, I would try my hardest to save both lives. Its morally corrects to save and not kill, so thats the stream we paddle down(for the most part)

7: where did universal morality come from? Like everybody (even if not influenced by society) has a sense of morality.* In the 1600's, obese women were considered beautiful because that meant they had access to a lot of food, which meant wealth. Well what kind of fucked up world do we live in now? Where 75% of women admit to self purging because of insecurities? There isnt so much a universal morality as much as there is a standard operating procedure. Because if you traveled to one of these no-contact tribes land, even just to give them a great expensive gift, the chances of them killing you is 50/50. They may be in need of a human sacrifice and think your visit was a message from their god, and might not even shake your hand before they put an arrow through your chest. The morality you think you know only belongs to you, it is your own. To each; their own set of morals and the ability to decide.

8: if question 7 is wrong and humans do not naturally have a sense of morality then would a child that is born away from society not know the difference between our definition of "right" and "wrong"? He would not, and naturally as children and teenagers, our developing brain might make a lapse in judgement regarding the safety of others. Again, take animals for example. Without training, they are naturally defensive and skittish. Bunnies live in our yards but jolt at the slight movement of a car/door/person. This isnt because they're incompetent, its because they are smart. They know the key to survival is to avoid human contact and take advantage of the yards and yards of endless grass to eat and sheds to live under. Naturally, humans are self centered, dangerous, ego-maniacal, and greedy. These are considered sins by many religions. Religion in itself is a book of set morals and opinions of how we should treat others in our lives. For examply, many species of fish CANNOT live with another fish of the same species and in many cases, of even the same general appearance without battling to the death. Triggers, puffers, damsels, betafish, blennies, etc.. We naturally take pleasure in seeing other creatures struggle more than us. Hence why I can stop slapping the shit out of my girlfriends ass, even though she cries half the time.

9: how did opposite sex come about?
Why did it come about? If one species did not have a female or male counterpart then that species would not advance and evolve, so did male and female life forms come about into this world at the exact same time?*Wouldn't it be more simple if an opposite sex never existed and we just self reproduced?* The decision to make a life male or female is made fairly late in the developmental stages of growth. In some creatures this gene or physical appearance may change back and forth. The reason we have penis's and vagina's is because we are mammals, and thats how mammals roll. Think about most living objects: head, two arms.two eyes, two ears or ear pods, a breathing apparatus, and some type of lower limbs. Why do dogs hump eachother non stop? turtles? every life form finds a suitable mate and naturally has a desire to breed.

^^^ did a little research on this and found a similar question that seems better worded, so here it is.
The species could not have survived without a female. Why did hundreds of thousands of animals, fish, reptiles, and birds (over millions of years) evolve a female partner (that coincidentally matured at just the right time) within each species?

10: (ha sounds funny but serious question) which came first the chicken or the egg? Seriously think about it. Neither, the series of inter-species breeding conducted by many different endangered birds? just a theory. Maybe a large prehistoric bird had a few runt eggs that interbred and created what we call the chicken. Thats like asking what came first, the mule or the other mule. Neither. The horse came first in that instance.
 

Hepheastus420

Well-Known Member
I think you need to first be sure you are asking the right questions. For example, the monkeys into humans thing, google it and you'll see for yourself. You do not have to take the theory for an answer, but you should at least know what the theory says before you seek clarification. Same deal with the big bang. These models are available at wiki and hundreds of other sights and are not hard to read through.

Also remember that any answer we have, scientific or otherwise, is only an approximation of the truth. Science differs from religion in that it does not try to explain everything in one attempt that ends up being it's first and last. So remember when you read about a theory like the big bang no one is saying 'this is what happened'. What they are saying is, according to the evidence this is what we think happened. Often we must sort out the preliminary data before we even have a chance to get to the confirming evidence. This is the process of knowledge, concepts build on each other. Science constantly refines it's answers to be more and more accurate. The very goal of the scientific process is to prove itself wrong. Only by failing to prove a theory wrong can we gain any confidence that it might be right. Once a scientist or research group has exhausted all attempts to falsify a theory, it then hands over the results to peers who recreate the data to verify it, and then try themselves to prove the data wrong. When I say 'prove the data wrong' that is oversimplified. The process involves replication, verification, and prediction. It is a painstaking task that demands extreme attention, vigilance, and thoroughness. If the data survives all this, it is published in a peer reviewed journal where it is exposed to an even broader group of researchers who are also eager to test and verify. Notice how science does not discriminate between boarders or background. Information is shared freely in the scientific world. So once again, science differs from religion in that it brings humans together rather than give them reasons to separate.

So this is why we place a degree of trust on scientific answers. We trust that the goal of science is objectivity. We trust that data has been put through a rigorous critical analysis by multiple sources and survived. Even then we realize it is only an approximation of the truth based on what we currently know. The only alternative to this is to simply guess and get things right by accident. The reason we don't personally verify every scientific answer, aside from not having the time, is that many scientific concepts require a thorough understanding of advanced mathematical principals before we can even understand the terms used in the language of the theory. Physics for example is so complicated that we have an entire group of scientists who do nothing but look at data and theorize. They do not experiment or try to falsify, that is done by another set of scientists. The subject is too big for one mindset to handle it all. Concepts like the origins of life and reality are at the very fringe of our knowledge, they are expected to have holes and mistakes because we must figure out what we know before we can identify what we don't.

So probably the most glaring and important difference between science and religion is that science begs to be criticized, while religion forbids it. Science appeals to what we know while religion appeals to what we don't know. Science sees religion as erroneous. Religion sees science as a threat.
Yeah I understand science is based on fact and The evidence they find, But for the people that flaunt it and say this is exactly what happened so your beliefs are wrong should stop flaunting it unless they themselves have tested it out. What I'm saying is that a lot of the time scientist may be wrong and I was just asking if you guys trust them instantly without testing the theory or researching it yourself.
IMO True religious people should not fear science (at least I don't) they should have enough faith to determine what is right and wrong with what they follow and know that science can be a good or bad thing. I believe that religious people should embrace science for all it's flaws and strengths and use it to their advantage, much like everyone else does in this world. Anyway getting off subject this is purely just to answer these questions and has nothing to do with religious people. And the other questions I ask are not to be taken offensively by atheists. So thanks, like for real not being a smartass, ha. Peace bro.
 
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