What are the negatives of Atheism?

[tyler.durden]

Can you give scriptures from the new testament please? And alot of rap influences the younger generation to go around killing others because they are not in your gang and stuff like that. I know there is no song called kill them all by Metallica I was just talking about the cover it says well KILL them all seems pretty violent to me.
In the new testament Jesus tells us that there are only two commandments-
Mat 22:36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.

Mat 22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Passages from the New Testament? Sure!

Matthew 10:34-38
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.' "

"Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me."

"Slaves, obey your human masters with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ."
(Ephesians 6:5)
"Slaves, obey your human masters in everything; don't work only while being watched, in order to please men, but work wholeheartedly, fearing the Lord." (Colassians 3:22)
"Slaves are to be submissive to their masters in everything, and to be well-pleasing, not talking back ." (Titus 2:9)
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel. " (1 Peter 2:1

I will post more if you wish, but again you can google 'terrible teachings of the New Testament' and get more hits than you need. I think that you are in denial, you haven't known of these awful things about your religion because you haven't looked for them. You wouldn't need to look very hard. Good christians like to cherry pick the pleasant passages of the bible, but leave the lion's share of it alone. I would, too, it's not very nice.

Back to the music thing: Well, if one were already in a gang, I don't think one would need music to tell them to kill someone in a rival gang. It's kinda what gangs do Again, Kill 'Em All aren't instructions for anyone, and again (and again, and again, and again) even if things in pop culture are negative and violent, they don't claim to be the word of god. That is the difference, I know you can understand this...

 

[olylifter420]

Ok, now i know you are retarded with that last piece of your paragraph.


You are really funny though with the things you say

Passages from the New Testament? Sure!

Matthew 10:34-38
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.' "

"Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me."

"Slaves, obey your human masters with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ."
(Ephesians 6:5)
"Slaves, obey your human masters in everything; don't work only while being watched, in order to please men, but work wholeheartedly, fearing the Lord." (Colassians 3:22)
"Slaves are to be submissive to their masters in everything, and to be well-pleasing, not talking back ." (Titus 2:9)
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel. " (1 Peter 2:1

I will post more if you wish, but again you can google 'terrible teachings of the New Testament' and get more hits than you need. I think that you are in denial, you haven't known of these awful things about your religion because you haven't looked for them. You wouldn't need to look very hard. Good christians like to cherry pick the pleasant passages of the bible, but leave the lion's share of it alone. I would, too, it's not very nice.

Back to the music thing: Well, if one were already in a gang, I don't think one would need music to tell them to kill someone in a rival gang. It's kinda what gangs do Again, Kill 'Em All aren't instructions for anyone, and again (and again, and again, and again) even if things in pop culture are negative and violent, they don't claim to be the word of god. That is the difference, I know you can understand this...

 

[olylifter420]

People dont already need to be in a gang to be influenced by music to kill someone. You are demonstrating your construed vision of reality which to me is due to your atheist beliefs.

Passages from the New Testament? Sure!

Matthew 10:34-38
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.' "

"Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me."

"Slaves, obey your human masters with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ."
(Ephesians 6:5)
"Slaves, obey your human masters in everything; don't work only while being watched, in order to please men, but work wholeheartedly, fearing the Lord." (Colassians 3:22)
"Slaves are to be submissive to their masters in everything, and to be well-pleasing, not talking back ." (Titus 2:9)
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel. " (1 Peter 2:1

I will post more if you wish, but again you can google 'terrible teachings of the New Testament' and get more hits than you need. I think that you are in denial, you haven't known of these awful things about your religion because you haven't looked for them. You wouldn't need to look very hard. Good christians like to cherry pick the pleasant passages of the bible, but leave the lion's share of it alone. I would, too, it's not very nice.

Back to the music thing: Well, if one were already in a gang, I don't think one would need music to tell them to kill someone in a rival gang. It's kinda what gangs do Again, Kill 'Em All aren't instructions for anyone, and again (and again, and again, and again) even if things in pop culture are negative and violent, they don't claim to be the word of god. That is the difference, I know you can understand this...

 

[olylifter420]

Tell me non believers, you all do not believe in imaginary things right, so you all must also think there are no borders between cities, counties, states or countries cause they are imaginary lines that change with time as well.

 

[tyler.durden]

Ok, now i know you are retarded with that last piece of your paragraph.


You are really funny though with the things you say

Oly says the darndest things. Well, at least you brought something to the table this time... Wait a minute, no you didn't Feels like deja vu, no?

 

[Heisenberg]

Can you give scriptures from the new testament please? And alot of rap influences the younger generation to go around killing others because they are not in your gang and stuff like that. I know there is no song called kill them all by Metallica I was just talking about the cover it says well KILL them all seems pretty violent to me.

Moving the goalpost.

We demonstrated that the bible clearly advocates murder. Now your position is that these aren't from the correct parts of the bible? So some parts of the bible are worthy of criticism and others are not? Who decides which is which? Do you think all people reading the bible will get the impression that the direct and undeniable commands to kill should not be followed? History shows us that many people take these commands seriously.

The difference between music and scripture is that people do not believe following the commands of music will lead to salvation, or that ignoring those commands ensures eternal torment. Kill em all may be a violent statment, and bands like slayer, gwar and Kat are much more so, but we can see here Jesus was not without violence himself.

One thing that is clear in the new testament is that if you are a non believer, you will be set on fire and burned forever. That is clearly a sentiment that encourages malevolence.

Now, Atheism, which is simply the application of skepticism to the claim of god, offers none of these things. There are no commands to be misconstrued. There are are no eternal consequences one way or the other. There is no evil that can be born of and is unique to the ideology of skepticism.

 

[Hepheastus420]

Passages from the New Testament? Sure!

Matthew 10:34-38
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.' "

"Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me."

"Slaves, obey your human masters with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ."
(Ephesians 6:5)
"Slaves, obey your human masters in everything; don't work only while being watched, in order to please men, but work wholeheartedly, fearing the Lord." (Colassians 3:22)
"Slaves are to be submissive to their masters in everything, and to be well-pleasing, not talking back ." (Titus 2:9)
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel. " (1 Peter 2:1

I will post more if you wish, but again you can google 'terrible teachings of the New Testament' and get more hits than you need. I think that you are in denial, you haven't known of these awful things about your religion because you haven't looked for them. You wouldn't need to look very hard. Good christians like to cherry pick the pleasant passages of the bible, but leave the lion's share of it alone. I would, too, it's not very nice.

Back to the music thing: Well, if one were already in a gang, I don't think one would need music to tell them to kill someone in a rival gang. It's kinda what gangs do Again, Kill 'Em All aren't instructions for anyone, and again (and again, and again, and again) even if things in pop culture are negative and violent, they don't claim to be the word of god. That is the difference, I know you can understand this...

Have you read the bible? If you read the chapters you would understand that you can't take singular verses out and expect them to make sense.
Like to explain the first verse you posted he means that he has come to defeat evil and work against evil. When you work against evil you may have conflicting ideas with others, hence the turning against family. He doesn't literally mean to cause you to have a sword fight with your family. Honestly sometimes I don't trust what they write down in the bible so I just try to avoid doing bad things and love people. After all the bible was written by man.

Personally I like Metallica and many bands but common man your trying to tell me that the music industry doesn't have a huge influence on the youth?

 

[tyler.durden]

People dont already need to be in a gang to be influenced by music to kill someone. You are demonstrating your construed vision of reality which to me is due to your atheist beliefs.

I thought a wrote enough 'and agains' in that post for even the feeblest of minds to comprehend, but apparently not...

 

[Hepheastus420]

Moving the goalpost.

We demonstrated that the bible clearly advocates murder. Now your position is that these aren't from the correct parts of the bible? So some parts of the bible are worthy of criticism and others are not? Who decides which is which? Do you think all people reading the bible will get the impression that the direct and undeniable commands to kill should not be followed? History shows us that many people take these commands seriously.

The difference between music and scripture is that people do not believe following the commands of music will lead to salvation, or that ignoring those commands ensures eternal torment. Kill em all may be a violent statment, and bands like slayer, gwar and Kat are much more so, but we can see here Jesus was not without violence himself.

One thing that is clear in the new testament is that if you are a non believer, you will be set on fire and burned forever. That is clearly a sentiment that encourages malevolence.

Now, Atheism, which is simply the application of skepticism to the claim of god, offers none of these things. There are no commands to be misconstrued. There are are no eternal consequences one way or the other. There is no evil that can be born of and is unique to the ideology of skepticism.

Yeah but we are imagining that religion no longer exists so music can't be compared to religion in this fake world we are imagining. So if everyone was atheist music could still be used in a negative fashion.

 

[Hepheastus420]

I thought a wrote enough 'and agains' in that post for even the feeblest of minds to comprehend, but apparently not...

I'm not saying that music claims to be the word of god. My whole point was that if you want to get rid of religion because of the negativity it causes then you should want to get rid of anything that causes negativity. You guys ignore the positive sides of religion so you should be pessimistic towards everything, unless of course it is purely beneficial.

 

[Hepheastus420]

I thought a wrote enough 'and agains' in that post for even the feeblest of minds to comprehend, but apparently not...

Don't think that my mind is feeble when you can't even comprehend my point of view on the subject.

There is no need for personal attacks. I have not insulted you and if I have I appologize sincerely.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

Ok, now i know you are retarded with that last piece of your paragraph.


You are really funny though with the things you say

you cant ignore the truth of how racist and prejudice the bible is, but i guess the stupider you are the more you can ignore

the book you swear to live by is mean and judgmental not my higher power, all you fundamental Christians are hypocritical if you cant see the negativity used to describe the control organized religoin has on its believers

i am god, i am jessus and so are you, the power to create destroy and forgive is within use all.

dont sell yourselves short, and i do believe in god just not the vindictive and judgmental god that makes people condemn, beat up or kill those not like them

i "turn the other cheep" my friend you should too

 

[tyler.durden]

I'm not saying that music claims to be the word of god. My whole point was that if you want to get rid of religion because of the negativity it causes then you should want to get rid of anything that causes negativity. You guys ignore the positive sides of religion so you should be pessimistic towards everything, unless of course it is purely beneficial.

Defending religion because of it's few perceived benefits against the vast majority of it's awfulness reminds me of a Joker quote from the first Batman movie: "Now you fellas have said some pretty mean things. Some of which were true, under that fiend Boss Grissom. He was a thief, and a terrorist. On the other hand, he had a tremendous singing voice..."

 

[Heisenberg]

Have you read the bible? If you read the chapters you would understand that you can't take singular verses out and expect them to make sense.

There seem to be a lot of implied and unstated rules about following the bible. If I am living on a remote island with my tribe and the bible washes up, how am I to know these nuanced guidelines? Whats to stop me from believing that I can't get into heaven unless I kill sinners? Certainly not scripture.

If religion does good or bad is beside the point. The problem is, it's simply untrue, and the nature of the claims and commands within would seem to demand that any moral person be absolutely sure of it's validity before following it.

 

[Hepheastus420]

There seem to be a lot of implied and unstated rules about following the bible. If I am living on a remote island with my tribe and the bible washes up, how am I to know these nuanced guidelines? Whats to stop me from believing that I can't get into heaven unless I kill sinners? Certainly not scripture.

If religion does good or bad is beside the point. The problem is, it's simply untrue, and the nature of the claims and commands within would seem to demand that any moral person be absolutely sure of it's validity before following it.

Well to understand these guidelines you have to order one of my "guidelines of the bible" books.

 

[Hepheastus420]

There seem to be a lot of implied and unstated rules about following the bible. If I am living on a remote island with my tribe and the bible washes up, how am I to know these nuanced guidelines? Whats to stop me from believing that I can't get into heaven unless I kill sinners? Certainly not scripture.

If religion does good or bad is beside the point. The problem is, it's simply untrue, and the nature of the claims and commands within would seem to demand that any moral person be absolutely sure of it's validity before following it.

Listen heis I'm sorry that (in your opinion) religion causes us to think unrationally but maybe that's a good thing. Maybe simple times are better than finding out how to make more dangerous weapons and such.

 

[tyler.durden]

Don't think that my mind is feeble when you can't even comprehend my point of view on the subject.

Hep, that wasn't directed toward you, but aimed at Oly (see my reply with quote on that post). I see your point very clearly, which is there are other negative influences beside religion. My point is that they cannot be as influential as christianity, perhaps because those other influences don't promise eternal life if you comply, and don't threaten to set you on fire if you don't...

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

Listen heis I'm sorry that (in your opinion) religion causes us to think unrationally but maybe that's a good thing. Maybe simple times are better than finding out how to make more dangerous weapons and such.

i am not attacking you but if you are not sure if rational thinking i ok then you have a lot more to question then religion, to tell you the truth their is so mcuh more i want to say but i dot have the vocabulary to explain it

maybe look up in the dictionary what the word rational means to start

 

[tyler.durden]

Listen heis I'm sorry that (in your opinion) religion causes us to think unrationally but maybe that's a good thing. Maybe simple times are better than finding out how to make more dangerous weapons and such.

Or finding cures for major diseases, or discovering the laws of physics, or freeing slaves, or liberating women, or using electricity, or inventing toilet paper...

"Well I say there are things we don't want to know! Important things!" - Ned Flanders

 

[Hepheastus420]

Defending religion because of it's few perceived benefits against the vast majority of it's awfulness reminds me of a Joker quote from the first Batman movie: "Now you fellas have said some pretty mean things. Some of which were true, under that fiend Boss Grissom. He was a thief, and a terrorist. On the other hand, he had a tremendous singing voice..."

If I was atheist I would give you a rep for that cuz that is a hilarious way to say how religious people defend religion. Bro honestly I can't fully trust the bible. These people that talk about god raiding towns and such could have just said they "heard god" in their head. And of course these people thought unrationally and followed that person. The bible contradicts itself many times so it can't be the full word of god. I choose to just follow peace and be like Christ hence the whole Christian (Christ like) thing. You can go through all the words of Christ and find no evil teaching (I think, ha) but when people raid towns their excuse is that they heard god say it when they were dreaming or on the verge of death so they could be lying or read too much into their dream. Idk I'm just gonna be christ like.