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redivider

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this is why a little something called, um, CONTEXT... is very important....

lol

One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line - Bill Clinton.

yes, weapons of mass destruction, and Iraq are said in the same sentence, so that MUST mean something right???

We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons...
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

that really looks like a chain e-mail.


i'll refer you to this article, Published not by some obscure internet source, but by George Washington University... one of those 'ivory towered' bastions of socialism.... lol


PR Push for Iraq War Preceded Intelligence Findings
"White Paper" Drafted before NIE even Requested
National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 254
Posted - August 22, 2008
For more information contact:
John Prados - (202) 994-7000
Washington D.C., August 22, 2008 - The U.S. intelligence community buckled sooner in 2002 than previously reported to Bush administration pressure for data justifying an invasion of Iraq, according to a documents posting on the Web today by National Security Archive senior fellow John Prados.​
The documents suggest that the public relations push for war came before the intelligence analysis, which then conformed to public positions taken by Pentagon and White House officials. For example, a July 2002 draft of the "White Paper" ultimately issued by the CIA in October 2002 actually pre-dated the National Intelligence Estimate that the paper purportedly summarized, but which Congress did not insist on until September 2002.
A similar comparison between a declassified draft and the final version of the British government's "White Paper" on Iraq weapons of mass destruction adds to evidence that the two nations colluded in the effort to build public support for the invasion of Iraq. Dr. Prados concludes that the new evidence tends to support charges raised by former White House press secretary Scott McClellan and by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence in its long-delayed June 2008 "Phase II" report on politicization of intelligence.

U.S. Intelligence and Iraq WMD
Compiled and edited by Dr. John Prados
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On June 5, 2008 the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI) released a report examining whether the public statements made by U.S. officials, including President George W. Bush, Vice President Richard Cheney, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, and others were consonant with U.S. intelligence information. This report forms part of a second phase of the SSCI’s investigation of Iraq intelligence issues, most especially Saddam Hussein’s possible Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) program, originally approved by the Intelligence Committee in February 2004 but stalled by its Republican majority for several years, until the majority changed with the current 110th Congress. Committee chairman Senator John D. Rockefeller IV (D-WV) then ordered work on this inquiry resumed, and the present report is the result.
The appearance of this long-awaited SSCI “Phase II” report coincided with controversy over the revelations of former White House press secretary Scott McClellan who, in a memoir appearing almost simultaneously, argued that “in the fall of 2002, Bush and his White House were engaging in a carefully orchestrated campaign to shape and manipulate sources of public approval to our advantage.” (Note 1) A review of new evidence along with previously-available documents sheds important new light on this debate. Among the findings:

  • The Phase II report on Bush administration public statements, in conjunction with the SSCI’s original July 2004 report on Iraq’s alleged Weapons of Mass Destruction, indicates that political manipulation extended beyond the intelligence itself to affect investigation of the intelligence failures on Iraq as well as the Bush administration’s use of that information.
  • In conjunction with other recently declassified materials, the Phase II report shows that the Bush administration solicited intelligence then used to “substantiate” its public claims.
  • A recently declassified draft of the CIA’s October 2002 white paper on Iraqi WMD programs demonstrates that that paper long pre-dated the compilation of the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraqi capabilities.
  • The timing of the CIA’s draft white paper coincides with a previously available draft of the British Government’s white paper on Iraqi WMD, demonstrating that the Bush administration and the Tony Blair government began acting in concert to build support for an invasion of Iraq two to three months earlier than previously understood.
  • A comparison of the CIA draft white paper with its publicly released edition shows that all the changes made were in the nature of strengthening its charges against Iraq by inserting additional alarming claims, in the manner of an advocacy, or public relations document. The draft and final papers show no evidence of intelligence analysis applied to the information contained. Similar comparison of the British white paper shows the same phenomenon at work.
  • Declassified Pentagon documents demonstrate that the CIA white paper was modified in ways that conformed to the desires of the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy and his office, in much the same way that British documents indicate that country’s white paper was changed to conform to the desires of the Blair government.
The many official investigations and unofficial investigations carried out, plus the statements and speeches of former CIA officials defending themselves against charges of distortion, have established a few points beyond question. Most important, following Saddam Hussein’s 1998 final expulsion of UN weapons inspectors from Iraq, very little new information fell into the hands of U.S. intelligence. Notable exceptions include data from Iraqi Foreign Minister Naji Sabri, recruited as a CIA source (Note 2), and from Iraqi scientists clandestinely approached by the CIA under a covert program. (Note 3) Both these streams of information denied the existence of Iraqi WMD. On the other side were data from Iraqi exile sources that claimed all sorts of WMD and a set of fabricated documents alleging an Iraqi deal to buy uranium ore in Niger. The only concrete “find” was of a shipment of aluminum tubes being imported into Iraq, but analysts were divided over whether these tubes had anything to do with WMD at all. U.S. intelligence largely discounted the (accurate) details from Sabri and the scientists and—despite the CIA’s expressed misgivings—made use of the exile data. This thin data conditioned the intelligence analysis.
There was also a source of intelligence failure that flowed not from bad information but from analytical procedures. American intelligence knew that Saddam had worked through the 1990s to deceive UN weapons inspectors—they assumed he was hiding his WMDs rather than concealing the lack of them. On specific weapons, for example long-range Iraqi missiles, intelligence took a standard accounting approach, and since they could not account for every Iraqi missile, assumed Saddam was hiding a covert force of ballistic missiles. U.S. intelligence was coming off a record of underestimating Iraqi WMD progress in the 1980s and now overcompensated in the other direction.
The recent SSCI Phase II report concludes that Bush administration statements, while “substantiated” by the CIA reporting, went beyond that data. The Republican minority on the committee attacked that conclusion. The main defense offered—and repeated by media commentators—is that the root cause of the administration’s Iraq hysteria was intelligence failure, not intent to manipulate the American public. A typical formulation is that of columnist Fred Hiatt in the Washington Post, who argued that “the phony ‘Bush Lied’ story line distracts from the biggest prewar failure: the fact that so much of the intelligence upon which Bush and Rockefeller and everyone else relied turned out to be tragically, catastrophically wrong.” (Note 4)
But the question of the role of threat manipulation in the origins of the Iraq war is complex and goes beyond analytical failure. Its center is the degree to which the Iraq intelligence was politicized. Absent the drumbeat for war, even exaggerated estimates of Iraqi WMD prowess would have represented only a standard foreign policy problem. Bush administration intentions made a difference. Both the SSCI Phase I report and that of the Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States on Weapons of Mass Destruction (the Silberman-Robb Commission) investigation, though arguing that no politicization had occurred, also cited cases suggesting the opposite. Former national intelligence officer Paul Pillar told an audience at the Council on Foreign Relations that the Silberman-Robb finding did not surprise him for two reasons: because any intelligence analyst would be reluctant to make the damning admission that his paper had been politicized, and because “in my experience, the great majority of cases of actual politicization—successful politicization—are invariably subtle.” (Note 5)
There were several avenues by which the Bush administration made its preferences clear. Vice President Richard Cheney questioned his CIA briefers aggressively, pressing them to the wall when he saw intelligence from other agencies that portrayed a more somber picture than that in CIA’s reporting. He sent briefers back for more information, including in instances when they checked with headquarters and returned with the same word. Cheney was especially acerbic on CIA’s rejection of claims that one of the 9/11 terrorists had met with Iraqi intelligence officers in Prague. On a number of occasions, Cheney sent his chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby, to CIA headquarters to follow up on his concerns. Mr. Cheney went there himself, not just once but on almost a dozen occasions. The practice encouraged the CIA to censor itself, driven, as Pillar put it, by “the desire to avoid the unpleasantness of putting unwelcome assessments on the desks of policymakers.” (Note 6)
A second avenue to influence U.S. intelligence lay through Donald Rumsfeld’s Pentagon. There, William Luti’s Near East and South Asia unit of the Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy (OUSDP) was in close touch with the Vice President’s office. Papers circulated back and forth, and both offices utilized claims from Iraqi exiles—claims that Saddam trained terrorists or possessed various WMDs—to press the intelligence agencies for similar information. Under Paul Wolfowitz, the Deputy Secretary of Defense, and the undersecretary for policy, Douglas Feith, the Pentagon formed a special group to review reports on Saddam’s links to Al Qaeda. This unit, the Policy Counterterrorism Evaluation Group (PCTEG) has been represented by Feith as merely charged with assembling a briefing on terrorism, but its real function was to bring additional pressure to bear on the CIA.
Not all the manipulation was visible. Behind the scenes at the State Department, Undersecretary of State John R. Bolton, also closely allied with the Office of the Vice President, pressured both the State Department and the CIA to fire individuals who refused to clear text in his speeches leveling the most extreme charges against other countries. Although Bolton’s actions did not concern Iraq directly, they came to a high point during the summer of 2002—the exact moment when Iraq intelligence issues were on the front burner—and they aimed at offices which played a central role in producing Iraq intelligence. These included the Bureau of Intelligence and Research at State plus the National Intelligence Council (NIC) and the Weapons Intelligence, Proliferation and Arms Control (WINPAC) center at CIA. Analysts working on Iraq intelligence could not be blamed for concluding that their own careers might be in jeopardy if they supplied answers other than what the Bush administration wanted to hear.

Under the circumstances, it is difficult to avoid the impression that the CIA and other intelligence agencies defended themselves against the dangers of attack from the Bush administration through a process of self-censorship. That is the very essence of politicization in intelligence. And the degree to which public statements on Iraq by Cheney, Bush, and others were “substantiated” by the existing intelligence must be viewed through that prism.

We shall offer only a few examples here. First is the case of the CIA white paper, “Iraq’s Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs.” That document is dated October 2002 [Document 1] and was issued on October 4. It has been represented as a distillation of the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iraq published two days earlier, with the most sensitive, secret information stripped out. Posted here today is the major portion of the text of the same paper in draft [Document 2], as it existed in July 2002. This document demonstrates that the white paper existed long before the NIE was even requested by Congress. In fact the illustrations in the July version are the same as those in the final report. A close comparison of the text shows, further, that much of the argumentation is identical, and that the differences between the two are strictly in the nature of separating text to insert more charges or to sharpen them. The entire product has the character of rhetoric. Little of the text shows the kind of approach characteristic of intelligence analysis. The fact that this document was in preparation at the CIA in July indicates that the Bush administration was actively engaged in a process of building support for war months ahead of the time it has previously been understood to have done so. In fact evidence exists that the CIA white paper was commissioned as early as May 2002. (Note 7)

This point is made even sharper by recently declassified Department of Defense documents, including a memorandum from the OUSDP that details the kinds of information seen as desirable to obtain from intelligence in order to strengthen the case for war against Iraq [Document 3]. The timing of this document suggests that this text was a response to the draft CIA white paper, created at a point when Pentagon critics of CIA reporting were actively pressing their case against the agency’s refusal to accept arguments that Saddam Hussein was allied with Al Qaeda. Changes in the CIA white paper between its July draft and the final document track closely with the OUSDP comments. The net impression is that the CIA white paper was rewritten to conform to administration preferences. If so, U.S. intelligence a priori made itself a tool of a political effort, vitiating the intelligence function and confirming the presence of a politicized process. The specific analytic failures on Iraq intelligence become much less significant in such a climate, especially in that they all yielded intelligence predictions of exactly the kind the Bush administration wanted to hear.

This impression is strengthened, and suspicions of collusion broadened, when the record of the British government’s white paper on Iraqi WMD is laid side by side with that of the CIA. In the course of British official investigations of the antecedents to the war, and the death of physicist David Kelly, a draft of the British white paper was released that is dated June 20 [Document 4]. As in the American case, the Joint Intelligence Committee, which originated this document and plays a role similar to that of the National Intelligence Council in the U.S., modified its draft to issue a final version on September 24, 2002, that was even more somber [Document 5]. There is a considerable record on the Blair government’s efforts to shape the content of the British white paper in directions not supported by the intelligence.

The second example concerns the U.S. government’s use of information drawn from Iraqi exile sources, principally those of the organization known as the Iraqi National Congress (INC) [Document 6]. This anti-Saddam group has had a long and stormy history with the CIA, which actually severed relations with it, an action the Clinton administration’s NSC Deputies Committee approved in December 1996. The agency was later forced to resume ties, and even to fund the group, as a result of the Iraq Liberation Act, which Congress passed in 1998. Proponents of that legislation included many individuals who became senior officials of the Bush administration. The State Department took up funding of the INC. Both State and CIA questioned the value of the intelligence it provided, and State in turn sought to end the relationship. In 2002, the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) took over responsibility for the Iraqi exiles. During this period the INC opened channels to the Office of the Vice President as well as Pentagon units responsible to Douglas Feith. In his own account of this period, Feith takes pains to defend the exile group and its leaders. (Note 8)

In the summer of 2002, the intelligence community compiled a detailed assessment of the material provided by the INC on several subjects and found it to have little current intelligence value, with sourcing and attribution impossible to verify. (Note 9) Despite this, and in spite of the fact that the INC went beyond providing intelligence to using the defectors it brought to the attention of the U.S. government as part of an anti-Saddam publicity campaign, the SSCI report on the group concludes that “false information from the Iraqi National Congress (INC)-affiliated sources was used to support key Intelligence Community Assessments on Iraq and was widely distributed in intelligence products prior to the war” (pp. 113-122). Intelligence agencies also avoided identifying these sources as INC-related in their reporting. Among the defectors was the notorious source “Curveball,” whose false allegations concerning Iraqi mobile biological weapons factories underlay some of the most alarming Bush administration charges against Baghdad.

This begs the question why, given distrust of the INC’s information at both the CIA and State Department, and an awareness of these doubts even within the DIA, the data was used at all, much less relied upon. Part of the answer no doubt has to do with the desperation of U.S. intelligence to obtain any information from inside Iraq—in itself a reflection of an intelligence failure. But the other part of the answer most likely flows directly from the prodding of the intelligence community by high levels at the Pentagon and White House for reactions to the defector information. This point stands out in stark relief when contrasted with the fact that the alternate stream of Iraqi insider information—from high-level agent sources and Iraqi scientists—seems to have had no discernable role in U.S. intelligence reporting. That is very arguably politicization.

Our third example has to do with the charges that Saddam sought to buy uranium ore from the African country of Niger. As widely reported, this affair involved fabricated documents, a Bush administration effort to discredit the U.S. envoy sent to check on the report by outing his wife, a CIA undercover officer; and ultimately, the criminal trial of Vice President Cheney’s top national security aide; but those matters are not of concern now. What is disturbing here, in the context of politicization of the intelligence, is the specific treatment the CIA gave to the information it developed. The record is established by the SSCI Phase I report, the Silberman-Robb report, and the proceedings of the trial of “Scooter” Libby, Mr. Cheney’s national security assistant. (Note 10)

On February 13, 2002 Vice President Cheney asked his CIA briefer about reports that Iraq was procuring uranium in Niger [Document 7]. Cheney represented the information as having come from the DIA, which indeed had issued an “executive highlight” on February 12. If this was in actuality what Cheney saw, the DIA was basing its account on information provided by Italian military intelligence, already aware of the fabricated Nigerien documents that later became the heart of this affair. The CIA had reported the same information a week earlier. The briefer promised to check, and the CIA’s WINPAC center prepared a note which observed that the foreign information on which the claim was based was only single-source and lacked crucial detail [Document 8]. The agency subsequently set up a trip to Niger by retired Ambassador Joseph V. Wilson IV, who returned with the conclusion that there was no substance to these claims. Wilson arrived in Niger on February 26 and returned on March 4. Just as Wilson came home, Vice President Cheney renewed his inquiry into the Niger allegation, and WINPAC responded by noting that the foreign intelligence service had no new information, that the Nigerien government insisted it was making all efforts to ensure that its uranium was used only for peaceful purposes, and that CIA was about to debrief “a source who may have information related to the alleged sale.”

Ambassador Wilson was in fact debriefed by two CIA officers on March 5. The way this was handled is what raises questions. Wilson’s data was recorded by the officers and written up by a reports officer who, according to the SSCI, “added additional relevant information from his notes.” The declassified text of this March 8, 2002, report [Document 9] shows that CIA Headquarters added the comment that the officials who provided information to Wilson “may have intended to influence as well as inform.” The ambassador himself was described as “a contact with excellent access who does not have an established reporting record.” However, Wilson had in fact carried out a mission on behalf of CIA previously, and he had been the senior U.S. envoy in Baghdad (the deputy chief of mission) before the first Gulf War. Therefore, Wilson did have an established reporting record. The comment regarding the Nigerien officials was gratuitous. The combination of these remarks cast doubt within the U.S. government on the information.

The report on Wilson’s information was then circulated in routine channels but never given to the Vice President. Director George Tenet’s comment: “This unremarkable report was disseminated, but because it produced no solid answers, there wasn’t any urgency to brief its results to senior officials such as the vice president.” (Note 11) But a look at the trip report we post here shows Wilson’s information was in fact quite solid. It simply does not say the uranium charge was real. Tenet has a secondary defense that the report was completed just after Vice President Cheney left on a trip to drum up support for war with Iraq, and that when he returned other matters seemed more pressing. Yet Cheney had renewed his inquiry into the Niger claim and surely its refutation had an impact on the arguments he had just made to encourage support for an American military option.These points drive the conclusion that the CIA was loathe to confront Mr. Cheney with a direct refutation of the Niger uranium claim. This too smacks of politicization.

Wilson’s was only one of a number of streams of reporting that undermined the Niger story, including an investigation by French intelligence and inquiries from the current U.S. ambassador and a senior U.S. military officer. Likely based on these materials and on the embassy cables reporting on Wilson from Niger, State Department intelligence filed a report doubting the claims of a Nigerien sale to Iraq [Document 10], and filed a dissent when the claim was included in the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate. But the developments of early 2002 became only the beginning of a highly ambivalent treatment of the uranium claim. On the one hand, the CIA intervened to keep this material out of the major speech President Bush gave in Cincinnati in October 2002, and also objected when British intelligence included it in their own white paper about the Iraqi threat. On the other hand, senior CIA officials mentioned the uranium claim in congressional testimony at the same time, permitted it to be included in a December 2002 “fact sheet” on Iraq, and mounted only tepid opposition to inclusion of the charge in President Bush’s 2003 State of the Union Address, where it would become notorious as the “16 Words.”
The SSCI later investigated the Iraq intelligence in detail, reporting on it in 2004. This was followed by the Silberman-Robb commission account. The SSCI Phase II report on the use of that intelligence [Document 11] examines Bush administration public statements regarding Iraqi weapons of mass destruction plus certain other topics related to war in Iraq against the inventory of intelligence reports circulated within the U.S. government. The idea was to determine whether administration claims were supported by the available intelligence. The “public statements” were winnowed down to a few, essentially the speech by Vice President Cheney in Nashville on August 26, 2002, those by President Bush to the United Nations General Assembly, in Cincinnati, and before the U.S. Congress at the 2003 State of the Union address (September 12 and October 7, 2002, and January 29, 2003), and the presentation to the United Nations Security Council by Secretary of State Powell (February 5, 2003). The subjects covered include nuclear weapons, biological weapons, chemical weapons, weapons of mass destruction generally, delivery systems, the Saddam Hussein regime’s alleged links to terrorists, Iraqi regime intent, and predictions for post-war Iraq.

In most of these cases the SSCI study found administration claims “substantiated” by the available intelligence but portraying the data as more certain than it was, thus going beyond the intelligence, while failing to convey disagreements among intelligence experts. The Committee found claims regarding Saddam’s intentions were contradicted by the intelligence (p. 82) and those about a rosy post-Saddam future as not reflecting intelligence concerns (p. 88). In the case of Bush administration claims about links between Saddam and terrorists the report reached several conclusions, judging that the intelligence substantiated general claims of Iraqi knowledge of and support for terrorist activities, but that claims of an Iraqi-terrorist alliance or of Iraqi training of terrorists were not backed up by the intelligence reporting (p. 71-2). In general Bush administration claims asserted greater certainty than existed in CIA reports.

This analysis was assailed by Republican members even before the SSCI report appeared. In minority statements attached to the eventual primary document (pp. 100-170) they detailed their objections. The minority charges that the investigation improperly confined itself to comparisons with finished intelligence products rather than the wider range of material actually available to top officials, and that it did not make similar assessments of the statements made by Democratic Party politicians, including Senator Rockefeller himself. Republican members and staff were not permitted to be involved in the drafting work on the report and the numerous amendments they offered were rejected.

The question of whether the “Iraqi threat” resulted from manipulation, as Scott McClellan and the SSCI majority suggest, or simple intelligence failure, as in the view of the Committee minority, is a key issue for all concerned. A real intelligence failure did occur. This is plain from the Intelligence Committee’s 2004 “Phase I” report as well as that of the Silberman-Robb Commission. (Note 12) The present author argued as much even before those studies appeared. (Note 13) The CIA director of that time, George Tenet, concedes, “In many ways, we were prisoners of our own history.” (Note 14) Retired CIA analyst Melvin A. Goodman, observing this analytical effort from the outside, concludes, “The U.S. rush to war against Iraq marked the worst intelligence scandal in the history of the United States.” (Note 15) But intelligence failure was abetted and magnified by the Bush administration’s drive to use charges about alleged Iraqi WMDs as justification for war.

Ascertaining the truth in this matter does not seem to have been as important as seeming to do so, at least for the Senate Intelligence Committee. A review of the minority statements contained in the new SSCI report in comparison to similar ones in the Phase I report—by the then-Democratic minority [Document 12]—reveals identical complaints regarding the conduct of the investigation. The present Republican minority’s charge that the report errs on politicization because both the Phase I SSCI and Silberman-Robb Commission concluded there was no evidence of this flies in the face of the strong assertions by the Democratic minority during Phase I that allegations of this type had not been taken seriously. Current Republican charges that the report erred by failing to check the public statements of Democrats against the intelligence are a red herring: they effectively rely upon the Bush administration’s success at hoodwinking political opponents and then take those opponents’ statements as authoritative evidence, an example of reverse logic. The SSCI staff rules which the Republican minority now says were used to shut it out of the investigation are the same ones a Republican majority previously relied upon to limit Democrats’ influence on the scope and content of the inquiry.

The preparation of white papers on both the United States and British sides also needs to be taken into account. That Bush and Blair each turned to their intelligence agencies for the papers is significant—they were evoking the imprimatur of secret intelligence to justify policy preferences. Both papers had the function of justification, not analysis, and neither government waited until it had compiled all the evidence before demanding these products. Neither government asked for intelligence estimates, fashioned in secret, in order to inform policy on Iraq. Instead, both Bush and Blair did want their intelligence agencies to carry out avowed political agendas. And the timing of the white paper drafts—now established as being in the summer of 2002, before there ever was a UN debate or a Security Council resolution—clearly indicates their true function. The accumulating weight of evidence currently supports the interpretation Scott McClellan gives, not that supplied by apologists for the Iraq war.

Notes
1. Scott McClellan, What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington’s Culture of Deception. New York: Public Affairs Press, 2008, p. 125.
2. Joseph Weisberg, “With Spies Like These,” Washington Post, December 15, 2007, p. A21.

3. James Risen, State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration. New York: Free Press, 2006, pp. 85-107.

4. For example, Fred Hiatt, “Bush Lied? If Only It Were That Simple,” Washington Post, June 9, 2008, p. A17.

5. Paul Pillar Talk, “Intelligence, Policy, and the War in Iraq,” Council on Foreign Relations, March 7, 2006.

6. Ibid.

7. Paul Pillar at the Council on Foreign Relations. In an interview with the Public Broadcasting Corporation program Frontline, Deputy Director of Central Intelligence John McLaughlin stated that the white paper had been requested in the summer of 2002 (Frontline: “The Dark Side, Interview: John McLaughlin, January 11, 2006, p. 16. http://www.pbs.org/wghb/pages/frontline/darkside/interviews/mclaughlin.html).

8. United States Congress (109th Congress, 2nd Session), Senate, Select Committee on Intelligence, Report: The Use by the Intelligence Community of Information Provided by the Iraqi National Congress. Washington, September 8, 2006, pp. 5-34. Douglas Feith, War and Decision: Inside the Pentagon at the Dawn of the War on Terroris. New York: Harper, 2008,pp. 243-244, 277, and passim.

9. SSCI, Iraqi National Congress Report, p. 35-36.

10. For the Libby Trial proceedings see Murray Waas, ed. The United States v. I. Lewis Libby. New York: Union Square Press, 2007.

11. George Tenet, At the Center of the Storm, p. 454.

12. The Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction (Silberman-Robb Commission), Report to the President of the United States. March 31, 2005.

13. John Prados, Hoodwinked: The Documents That Reveal How Bush Sold Us a War. New York: The New Press, 2004.

14. George J. Tenet with Bill Harlow, At the Center of the Storm: My Years at the CIA. New York: HarperCollins, 2007, p. 330.

15. Melvin A. Goodman, Failure of Intelligence: The Decline and Fall of the CIA. Lanham (MD): Rowman & Littlefield, 2008, p. 253.
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Jack Fate

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this is why a little something called, um, CONTEXT... is very important....

lol

One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line - Bill Clinton.

yes, weapons of mass destruction, and Iraq are said in the same sentence, so that MUST mean something right???




that really looks like a chain e-mail.


i'll refer you to this article, Published not by some obscure internet source, but by George Washington University... one of those 'ivory towered' bastions of socialism.... lol


FAIL.
Yes, I would agree that is a "FAIL". A left wing professor is going to do all he can to omit information that does not support his position and include positive information that supports his left wing agenda.

Did you look at this:
http://questioningwithboldness.wordpress.com/2011/02/25/uh-oh-libs-wikileaks-docs-prove-saddam-had-wmd-threats-remain/
 

redivider

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let's not forget about this:
We got it wrong on Iraq WMD, intelligence chiefs finally admit





  • Richard Norton-Taylor
  • The Guardian, Friday 8 April 2005 02.47 BST <li class="history">Article history Intelligence chiefs have admitted for the first time that claims they made about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction were wrong and have not been substantiated. The admission is revealed in the annual report of the parliamentary intelligence and security committee which also sharply criticises the lack of communication between ministers and the Secret Intelligence Service, MI6.
    It discloses that late last year the joint intelligence committee (JIC) reviewed key judgments on Iraq's WMD capability and programmes behind the government's now discredited dossier published in September 2002.
    · The JIC claimed in 2002: "Iraq is pursuing a nuclear weapons programme." It now admits this "was wrong, in that Iraq was not pursuing a nuclear weapons programme". It says the claim was "correct on Iraq's nuclear ambitions".
    · The JIC judged in 2002: "Iraq retains up to 20 al-Hussein ballistic missiles." It now admits: "This has not been substantiated."
    · In 2002, the JIC judged: "Iraq may retain some stocks of chemical agents ... Iraq could produce significant quantities of mustard [gas] within weeks, significant quantities of Sarin and VX within months, and, in the case of VX may already have done so." It now admits: "Although a capability to produce some agents probably existed, this judgment has not been substantiated." It adds that the Iraq Survey Group found that Saddam "intended to resume a CW [chemical weapons] effort once [UN] sanctions were lifted".
    · The JIC in 2002 said: "Iraq currently has available ... a number of biological agents ... Iraq could produce more of these biological agents within days". It now says that the ISG found Iraq could resume production, "but not within the time frames judged ... and [it] found no evidence that production had been activated".
    · In 2002, the JIC judged: "Saddam ... might use CBW [chemical and biological weapons] against coalition forces, neighbouring states and his own people. Israel could be the first target." Based on Saddam's past behaviour that "would have remained a reasonable judgment", says the JIC. However, it notes that the Iraqi agent who made the claims was subsequently dropped by MI6.
    The parliamentary committee notes that three MI6 agents were "withdrawn" after the invasion of Iraq. They included one - mentioned in 2002 to Tony Blair by Sir Richard Dearlove, then MI6 head - who claimed that Iraq was still making chemical and biological weapons.
    The committee also referred yesterday to the Butler inquiry which described the MI6 agent behind the claim that Iraq could deploy chemical weapons within 45 minutes as open to "serious doubts" and "seriously flawed".
    The committee says: "We are concerned at the amount of intelligence on Iraqi WMD that has now had to be withdrawn." It says that Mr Blair was not informed until a year later about an MI6 decision to drop an Iraqi agent he had earlier been told was potentially important.
    It also points out that the ministerial cabinet committee on the intelligence services has not met since December 2003, and that that meeting was the first in more than seven years. That is disappointing, it says, as regular meetings would "enable collective discussion by ministers of intelligence priorities and developments". At the moment, it adds, "ministers discuss intelligence only in the context of crisis or single-issues meetings".
    Yesterday's report confirms that MI5 is setting up "regional stations" around Britain. The Guardian has learned they will be based in north-west England, the Midlands, Scotland, Wales and the west of England, eastern England and south-east England. It's officers will work closely with the police special branch.
    The intelligence and security committee, chaired by the former Labour cabinet minister Ann Taylor, raps the knuckles of the intelligence agencies for a three-year delay in installing a secure computer network, called Scope.
  • or this:


    March 3 1,2005
    Mr. President:
    With this letter, we transmit the report of the Commission on the Intelligence
    Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction. Our
    unanimous report is based on a lengthy investigation, during which we interviewed
    hundreds of experts from inside and outside the Intelligence Community and reviewed
    thousands of documents. Our report offers 74 recommendations for improving the U.S.
    Intelligence Community (all but a handhl of which we believe can be implemented
    without statutory change). But among these recommendations a few points merit special
    emphasis.
    We conclude that the Intelligence Community was dead wrong in almost all of its
    pre-war judgments about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. This was a major
    intelligence failure. Its principal causes were the Intelligence Community's inability to
    collect good information about Iraq's WMD programs, serious errors in analyzing what
    information it could gather, and a failure to make clear just how much of its analysis was
    based on assumptions, rather than good evidence. On a matter of this importance, we
    simply cannot afford failures of this magnitude.

    After a thorough review, the Commission found no indication that the Intelligence
    Community distorted the evidence regarding Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. What
    the intelligence professionals told you about Saddam Hussein's programs was what they
    believed. They were simply wrong.
    As you asked, we looked as well beyond Iraq in our review of the Intelligence
    Community's capabilities. We conducted case studies of our intelligence agencies'
    recent performance assessing the risk of WMD in Libya and Afghanistan, and our current
    capabilities with respect to several of the world's most dangerous state and non-state
    proliferation threats. Out of this more comprehensive review, we report both bad news
    and good news. The bad news is that we still know disturbingly little about the weapons
    programs and even less about the intentions of many of our most dangerous adversaries.
    The good news is that we have had some solid intelligence successes-thanks largely to
    innovative and multi-agency collection techniques.
    Our review has convinced us that the best hope for preventing future failures is
    dramatic change. We need an Intelligence Community that is truly integrated, far more
    imaginative and willing to run risks, open to a new generation of Americans, and
    receptive to new technologies.
    We have summarized our principal recommendations for the entire Intelligence
    Community in the Overview of the report. Here, we focus on recommendations that we
    believe only you can effect if you choose to implement them:
    Give the DNIpowers--and backing-to match his responsibilities.
    In your public statement accompanying the announcement of Ambassador
    Negroponte's nomination as Director of National Intelligence (DNI), you have already
    moved in this direction. The new intelligence law makes the DNI responsible for
    integrating the 15 independent members of the Intelligence Community. But it gives him
    powers that are only relatively broader than before. The DNI cannot make this work
    unless he takes his legal authorities over budget, programs, personnel, and priorities to
    the limit. It won't be easy to provide this leadership to the intelligence components of the
    Defense Department, or to the CIA. They are some of the government's most headstrong
    agencies. Sooner or later, they will try to run around---or over-the DNI. Then, only
    your determined backing will convince them that we cannot return to the old ways.
    Bring the FBI all the way into the Intelligence Community.
    The FBI is one of the proudest and most independent agencies in the United
    States Government. It is on its way to becoming an effective intelligence agency, but it
    will never arrive if it insists on using only its own map. We recommend that you order
    an organizational reform of the Bureau that pulls all of its intelligence capabilities into
    one place and subjects them to the coordinating authority of the DNI-the same authority
    that the DNI exercises over Defense Department intelligence agencies. Under this
    recommendation, the counterterrorism and counterintelligence resources of the Bureau
    would become a single National Security Service inside the FBI. It would of course still
    be subject to the Attorney General's oversight and to current legal rules. The intelligence
    reform act almost accomplishes this task, but at crucial points it retreats into ambiguity.
    Without leadership from the DNI, the FBI is likely to continue escaping effective
    integration into the Intelligence Community.
    Demand more of the Intelligence Community.
    The Intelligence Community needs to be pushed. It will not do its best unless it is
    pressed by policymakers-sometimes to the point of discomfort. Analysts must be
    pressed to explain how much they don't know; the collection agencies must be pressed to
    explain why they don't have better information on key topics. While policymakers must
    be prepared to credit intelligence that doesn't fit their preferences, no important
    intelligence assessment should be accepted without sharp questioning that forces the
    community to explain exactly how it came to that assessment and what alternatives might
    also be true. This is not "politicization"; it is a necessary part of the intelligence process.
    And in the end, it is the key to getting the best fi-om an Intelligence Community that, at its
    best, knows how to do astonishing things.
    Rethink the President's Daily Brie$
    The daily intelligence briefings given to you before the Iraq war were flawed.
    Through attention-grabbing headlines and repetition of questionable data, these briefings
    overstated the case that Iraq was rebuilding its WMD programs. There are many other
    aspects of the daily brief that deserve to be reconsidered as well, but we are reluctant to
    make categorical recommendations on a process that in the end must meet your needs,
    not our theories. On one point, however, we want to be specific: while the DNI must be
    ultimately responsible for the content of your daily briefing, we do not believe that the
    DNI ought to prepare, deliver, or even attend every briefing. For if the DNI is consumed
    by current intelligence, the long-term needs of the Intelligence Community will suffer.
    There is no more important intelligence mission than understanding the worst
    weapons that our enemies possess, and how they intend to use them against us. These are
    their deepest secrets, and unlocking them must be our highest priority. So far, despite
    some successes, our Intelligence Community has not been agile and innovative enough to
    provide the information that the nation needs. Other commissions and observers have
    said the same. We should not wait for another commission or another Administration to
    force widespread change in the Intelligence Community.
    Very respectfully,
    Laurence H. Silberman
    Co-Chairman
    R"C;
    Richard C. Levin John McCain
    Charles S. Robb
    Co-Chairman
    Henry S. Rowen Walter B. Slocombe
    William 0. Studeman Patricia M. Wald Charles M. Vest
    Lloyd Cutler
    (Of Counsel)
    http://www.ise.gov/sites/default/files/wmd_report_0.pdf


    that's the US Intelligence Services' report to George W. Bush. please refer to the RED text.
it takes a special type of hardheadedness to take a piece of history we have gotten wrong, and try to blame a political party for it.... lol
 

redivider

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of course all our elected leaders thought Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

our intelligence services got it wrong.

let's stop bringing it up.... please.....
 

Jack Fate

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let's not forget about this:

it takes a special type of hardheadedness to take a piece of history we have gotten wrong, and try to blame a political party for it.... lol
Yet, you are blaming Bush for the failure. Do you have any evidence that Bush deliberately lied to congress? And the Wiki leaks show that Saddam did have WMDs. Does that mean the intelligence report was correct? You can't have it both ways.
 

redivider

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W. bush's government per-emptively pushed the war and the WMD storyline before the intelligence was fully analyzed.

read the report again. it'll explain in full why we got it wrong. all evidence points to one branch of government, the executive, which is headed by the President of the United States.

you can try and not blame bush, but it was his government's fault... PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
 

Jack Fate

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W. bush's government per-emptively pushed the war and the WMD storyline before the intelligence was fully analyzed.

read the report again. it'll explain in full why we got it wrong. all evidence points to one branch of government, the executive, which is headed by the President of the United States.

you can try and not blame bush, but it was his government's fault... PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
Read this:
http://questioningwithboldness.wordpress.com/2011/02/25/uh-oh-libs-wikileaks-docs-prove-saddam-had-wmd-threats-remain/
 

redivider

Well-Known Member
they say the same thing.... that the intelligence machine in the US reported that Iraq was in the process of acquiring WMD's. when it really didn't.

then there's ones that Fox News spinned into: WMD: FOUND.

when the intelligence reports said that there were small quantities of unknown materials which was far from weaponized......
 

Jack Fate

New Member
they say the same thing.... that the intelligence machine in the US reported that Iraq was in the process of acquiring WMD's. when it really didn't.

then there's ones that Fox News spinned into: WMD: FOUND.

when the intelligence reports said that there were small quantities of unknown materials which was far from weaponized......
Read this: http://questioningwithboldness.wordpress.com/2011/02/25/uh-oh-libs-wikileaks-docs-prove-saddam-had-wmd-threats-remain/
 

Corso312

Well-Known Member
Where do I begin?

I think the attack on 9/11 was pure evil. Our response was an attack on that evil. Saddam was evil and our response to his behavior was appropriate. Iran is an evil regime and the leaders need to be taken out and never allowed to build a nuke. Islamism is evil and needs to be destroyed like nazism and communism and every other "ism" that is destructive to individual freedom.

If you can keep it direct to those points and forget about the "Crusades" and "imperialist" rhetoric, we can have a discussion. Your turn.


we put saddam in power...we armed him...he played us like every dictator does us..we put in power ..we arm..then they tell us to fuck off and do what they want... if azny country deserved an armed response after 911 it was saudi arabia or syria ...iraq was on the radar for one reason..oil..the bullshit in iraq and afghanistan is bankrupting us and also creating more anti american hatred
 

Jack Fate

New Member
we put saddam in power...we armed him...he played us like every dictator does us..we put in power ..we arm..then they tell us to fuck off and do what they want... if azny country deserved an armed response after 911 it was saudi arabia or syria ...iraq was on the radar for one reason..oil..the bullshit in iraq and afghanistan is bankrupting us and also creating more anti american hatred
Why was Libya attacked? Oil? Obama promised to never attack a nation that was no direct threat like he claimed Bush did, and then he goes and does it and the left is silent....Syria is murdering citizens....Egypt is being taken over by the Muslim Brotherhood......Silence.....Oil? Please explain.
 

Corso312

Well-Known Member
libya was a united nations move..not america invading a foreign government to overthrow a poor but STABLE country to build an oil pipeline..iraq is in much worse shape now than b4 our invasion..and it has created more anti american sentiment in the whole region..a whole new generation of crazy fanatics who are going to grow up and hate us from day 1 with good reason
 

Jack Fate

New Member
libya was a united nations move..not america invading a foreign government to overthrow a poor but STABLE country to build an oil pipeline..iraq is in much worse shape now than b4 our invasion..and it has created more anti american sentiment in the whole region..a whole new generation of crazy fanatics who are going to grow up and hate us from day 1 with good reason
Obama is the Commander in Chief. The UN is not the Commander in Chief of the US military. Do you agree with Obama attacking and bombing Libya after he promised he would never attack a nation that was no direct threat? Obama also did not get approval from congress like Bush did. You okay with all that?
 

tomahawk2406

Well-Known Member
it deff. Wasnt for oil. It was just a huge well oiled fuck up. Just classic america with a chip on its shoulder...........again.
 

Corso312

Well-Known Member
nato led the libya front...i do not even think we have any ground troops there....are you really trying to compare libya to iraq? or afghanistan
 

deprave

New Member
Wtf is this IDK - I can't believe people support Iraq invasion among other things, can't even read this it gives me a headache sorry. Your really making conservatives look bad IMO
 

Jack Fate

New Member
nato led the libya front...i do not even think we have any ground troops there....are you really trying to compare libya to iraq? or afghanistan
Obama explicity told us during his campaign for President that he would never ATTACK a nation that was no direct threat. He did exactly that. He did not go through congress. He lied and he violated the Constitution. Obama is washed up.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/candidate-obama-vs-president-obama-a-message-on-the-use-of-military-force/
 
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