BlazedMonkey
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Arg im envious of your problem... always too hot. Just add more lights
Awesome growing as always sir.
Thursday Night Chop Down!
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Awesome growing as always sir.
Msdebbielee
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Hey there, My husband and I started an AZ medical grow back at the end of June. It seems to be getting a long just fine, but I have a few huge concerns. First IDK why but he planned on doing a greenhouse grow in Phx in July & August. Didn't work. He had to abandon the greenhouse and move the grow indoors. Because we are so broke, we've had to use what he had purchased intending to do a Burm grow. Which was garden soil. In order to keep electric down, We've opted for CFL's and FL's and seem to be doing good on lumens/sq ft. So here's some of the problem. 1st he only used the miracle grow garden soil in the containers, with rocks on the bottom and a touch of wood ash. No perlyte, nothing. I'm concerned about soil compaction and rotting out the roots. The plants seem to have stopped growing and their leaves are curling up and turning under. The new clones that we're planted about 2 months after the first set are almost caught up to them even though they are only a month old. By that time I had found out about his using the plain garden soil and I insisted he use a better soil combo on the clones. Problem comes that he wants to keep the last 4 mother plants in the containers with only the garden soil and I think they either need to be put to bloom or transplanted. And if he transplants he wants to put it in a burm in the greenhouse. I really need someone to bounce things off of. I just can't afford to let him screw this up, and he's refusing to even discuss it with me. HELP!!!!
colocowboy
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There is a language that every man understands, you take half and say "lets see who can do this better" and make it a contest. Men can't resist a competition! C'mon, what kind of woman are you? Your kind is usually far better at getting your way while making us think it was our idea! Did you miss your training or something? 
just kiddin'
*I can't tell if your asking for help with your approach on your hubby or on the plants since it sounds like you have your own idea about things but are uncertain. Even if you gain master knowledge, what good will it do if you cannot gain his implementation. That's why I recommended the above.
just kiddin'*I can't tell if your asking for help with your approach on your hubby or on the plants since it sounds like you have your own idea about things but are uncertain. Even if you gain master knowledge, what good will it do if you cannot gain his implementation. That's why I recommended the above.
stoneyluv
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yea, cool weather is one thing I'm really blessed with here. and yea, last winter i just threw in a small HPS and that warmed it all up!Arg im envious of your problem... always too hot. Just add more lights
Awesome growing as always sir.
I'll get to the bottom of this yeild issue sooner or later!! for now, i just get to keep smokin!!!
Hello msdebbie!! It sounds like you have quite the dilemma on your hands. you have every right to be concerned on this. compacted soil can cause serious problems and it sounds like it's already starting.
If your hubby is being really stubborn and won't change it out maybe you could do things to the soil to get it to breathe more. I sometimes take a wooden chopstick and poke all around in the soil helping to air it out.
maybe you could try the power of suggestion, try to suggest that he transplants just one of them and see if there are any better results. but suggest it in a way that you don't know what your talking about. this way when it works you seem like you accidentally found the answer and are not a better grower than him( even though it may be true)
but cowboy is right, there must be some way you can persuade him and make him feel like it was his idea. or just go poke holes in the soil without him knowing. when he notices the holes, just say it must be a caterpillar eating the roots or something. this will cause him to slide the container off to check out the roots. then he should see his mistake when the roots are muddy and brown. once the container is off and you can clearly see the problem, that is when you use your power of female persuasion!!! good luck!!! please let us know how it worked out...
you are right on the money cowboy!! every woman knows how to persuade their man without him knowing it!!! I think the contest idea is a great one.There is a language that every man understands, you take half and say "lets see who can do this better" and make it a contest. Men can't resist a competition! C'mon, what kind of woman are you? Your kind is usually far better at getting your way while making us think it was our idea! Did you miss your training or something?
*I can't tell if your asking for help with your approach on your hubby or on the plants since it sounds like you have your own idea about things but are uncertain. Even if you gain master knowledge, what good will it do if you cannot gain his implementation. That's why I recommended the above.
aeviaanah
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Start a thread and ask the right questions....begin to read read read!
That ash sounds like it may have threw your ph out of whack, this is keeping nutrients goin from rootzone to plant. I could be wrong tho. You should flush the large plants with plenty of ph adjusted water and transplant. They may be ph locked or rootbound.
Here are a few threads i still refer back to....
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=112662
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11688
aeviaanah
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I agree. Although possibly work together with your own set of plants, share details and what you are doing... more of a friendly competition.There is a language that every man understands, you take half and say "lets see who can do this better" and make it a contest. Men can't resist a competition! C'mon, what kind of woman are you? Your kind is usually far better at getting your way while making us think it was our idea! Did you miss your training or something?
*I can't tell if your asking for help with your approach on your hubby or on the plants since it sounds like you have your own idea about things but are uncertain. Even if you gain master knowledge, what good will it do if you cannot gain his implementation. That's why I recommended the above.
aeviaanah
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Use something like this....its made for a heat pad, comes with a thermometer. Will shut power off at set limit.
http://www.happyherbalist.com/heatmatthermostat.aspx
colocowboy
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Most of those little heaters have a thermostat built in.
stoneyluv
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that adapter Aev posted is a great plug and play... a little pricey but plug and play. another option is an electric baseboard thermostat hard wired to the heater, this way the thermometer in it can be placed anywhere in the grow area for best efficiency.
but the absolute best option is cowboy's suggestion, get a small heater with a controller already built in.
That is a really cool controller!!! that would also be good for a heat mat... thanks for sharing that!!
yea they do, I have a couple of those small ceramic ones. one of them just shuts off the element and the fan continues to run. and the other one shuts off completely when the temp is reached. the first one keeps a much more even temp.
Psychild
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Well I thought about getting one with a built in little mechanical temp dial, but I was really hoping I could get something digital and a tad more accurate. Figured I could get a $20 thermostat from wall mart and wire it up to the power cord of the heater.....like a timer for your lights, but instead of time it does temperature. just a thought √
stoneyluv
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yep, that would work well. but make sure it is made for an electrical heater so it can handle the current. one of those HVAC thermostats for a furnace won't work, it will burn up. I suggest getting one like in this photo. it doesn't need to be 220VAC but you will probably have a hard time finding a 110 one. just twist the wires together and it will work fine. it will just be overkill on the safety and that;s a good thing!!
colocowboy
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I can tell you that in terms of accuracy the mechanical thermostat in there is not going to fail or go out of range for the life of the product. I wouldn't worry about a mechanical thermostat failing, that simple technology has been reliably employed for over a hundred years. Really I would worry more about a circuit failing personally.
**I was a plumber/HVAC for part of my life
**I was a plumber/HVAC for part of my life
stoneyluv
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I agree with ya cowboy, the built in thermos on the heaters are much more reliable and safer. I also see psychild's point of wanting something that holds the temps at a tighter delta. those ceramic heater have very poor PID settings and when I set it at 75F it turns on at 60 and shuts off at 90. at least the one I have does.I can tell you that in terms of accuracy the mechanical thermostat in there is not going to fail or go out of range for the life of the product. I wouldn't worry about a mechanical thermostat failing, that simple technology has been reliably employed for over a hundred years. Really I would worry more about a circuit failing personally.
**I was a plumber/HVAC for part of my life
Psychild
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And I can't have that with my already crazy temps.....but if you guys think its a bad idea, then I won't do it.
I'm pretty sure you guys know what I'm talking about, but just incase
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004GBKPYK/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B001J0DLNI&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=14JRH15J1KJGYT9D57NY
Concord Dawn
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sure bro, man, 72, thats the sweet spot, wish i could get a constant 72.
stoneyluv
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yea man, just run with that. your gonna have to play with the settings a bunch to get it dialed in. like cowboy said, cutting the wire and adding another component that's not really intended for it isn't gonna make it work much better.
That one appears to have the separate temp and fan settings which are the better ones.
everyone seems to be preparing for winter... I just added a couple CFL's in my veg area the other day to warm things up!!
stoneyluv
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well it's at 72.5 right now.... hehehe it won't be long till i put a heater in there!!!
irishboy
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man forget heaters unless if its a huge space.. i use those blacked out reptail heating lamps! put off good heat and low watts. 150w per bulb and no light at all.
their are different ones but this is the base idea
http://www.petmountain.com/show_product/11442-107630/?utm_source=froogle&utm_medium=datafeed&utm_term=11442-500162
