what is it that convinces you ?

[indipow82]

Lets try talking about how marijuana is involved in all of these things rather than argue about who is right or fucking wrong. That is what the forum should be about. Not a bunch of dumb crap you all keep spitting about.

 

[indipow82]

Ahh I see your point. Hmm god created weed, there now we can argue that god is real or not.

LMAO I like your style!

 

[Hepheastus420]

I'm gonna leave before more fighting shit goes down, hey Luger we shall continue this debate another time (soon, when everyone chills out).

 

[Luger187]

Well because nobody can disprove god and anybody can disprove any theory. I didn't say god is watching over each individual all the time. It's up to us if we want to follow him not the other way around.

if he isnt watching us, then he doesnt give a shit whether we believe in him or not.

Why are you still asking the same question for proof? I already said google it yourself and you said "will do" so I'm gonna start ignoring that one. (remember I'm not gonna answer pointless question, no fighting).

wow seriously? you said the big bang was impossible, so i asked why. you must have a reason for why you dont believe in it, in the face of all that evidence. and if you have a reason, i asked for the evidence you have that refutes all that evidence. seems you just dont want to answer it. im just trying to understand how you see things.
and yes you can disprove a theory lol

You can't just throw off the feral child. He is a great example of how humans have no natural morals. And that's true even you are saying it you just don't see how you are contradicting yourself. You said humans have NATURAL morals and then say that society is the main impact on our morals.

humans have natural morals like dont kill others in your tribe or steal from others, etc. this can be OVER RIDDEN by events in life. i did not say that society is the reason for morals, but they do play a PART. if your society believes stealing is okay, then you will learn that behavior over time. if your religion believes killing sinners is okay, you will not have a problem with blowing yourself up. there are many factors that go into morals. to say we get our morals from religion is wrong. religion got its morals from society. otherwise, our race wouldnt even exist because we would have killed eachother off before religion even came around. plus if religion was the key to morals, atheists would kill and steal all the time.

Well that's exactly the case withreligion too, it teaches us our morals just like society teaches you your morals.

yes but it is not the sole source of morals. we can have just as good morals being secular.

Yes I suppose I can but like I stated earlier I follow the bible because of it's morals.

what about all the bad morals? just ignore it i guess?

Did you research the evidence yet? Tell me what you think about it if you have.

the only thing i saw was religious websites claiming they have evidence but they dont explain why, they just say it is. the language is iffy too because they make assumptions. ill keep looking later though

Well we are to "bare good fruits" which means just have a positive impact on the world and people on a day to day basis and hopefully god will let you into heaven.

yeah that would be nice. but is it true? thats what really matters.
believe does not equal truth.
plus why cant we treat people nicely because it feels good to help others? why cant we have those rewards for good deeds on earth?

 

[Luger187]

My iPod doesn't let me see videos.

aww man

Maybe but what about Jesus' miracles?

what about the 'miracles' performed by preachers in churches all the time? they are not healing anyone at all, but the people still totally believed that he cured blindness or cancer, etc. there is a crowd of thousands watching him that believe he cured these people. the human brain can easily be deceived.

No the bible says "thou shalt not kill" so that automatically rejects the extremists POV of right. Saying you should not kill is pretty clear to me so they would have to twist the scriptures in order to justify their killings.

god kills many people in the bible for various reasons. he also tells humans to kill others, including family members. someone could easily dismiss the "thou shalt not kill" part and emphasize that murder is okay on certain people, because god told this guy to kill based on X reason. this does happen. you can see evidence of it with the jihadist muslims that blow themselves up.
it also seems pretty clear to me that stoning homosexuals can be justified without twisting scripture. the same goes for women that have sex before marriage. its all about emphasis. you just choose to emphasize the parts that the average joe would consider 'moral', while dismissing the parts you think negatively of AKA 'dont believe in'

You already knew this answer so why ask? (not fighting, alright in tired of saying that. Let me make this clear I may be a smartass I may call you out on things, but I want you to understand I'm not fighting, ha).

i ask because im trying to get you to question your beliefs. not trying to talk you out of it, just showing you there are negatives to it that you may not see.
i also do not mean to fight when i call you out on stuff. that is what makes good debate

 

[Hepheastus420]

if he isnt watching us, then he doesnt give a shit whether we believe in him or not.



wow seriously? you said the big bang was impossible, so i asked why. you must have a reason for why you dont believe in it, in the face of all that evidence. and if you have a reason, i asked for the evidence you have that refutes all that evidence. seems you just dont want to answer it. im just trying to understand how you see things.
and yes you can disprove a theory lol



humans have natural morals like dont kill others in your tribe or steal from others, etc. this can be OVER RIDDEN by events in life. i did not say that society is the reason for morals, but they do play a PART. if your society believes stealing is okay, then you will learn that behavior over time. if your religion believes killing sinners is okay, you will not have a problem with blowing yourself up. there are many factors that go into morals. to say we get our morals from religion is wrong. religion got its morals from society. otherwise, our race wouldnt even exist because we would have killed eachother off before religion even came around. plus if religion was the key to morals, atheists would kill and steal all the time.



yes but it is not the sole source of morals. we can have just as good morals being secular.



what about all the bad morals? just ignore it i guess?



the only thing i saw was religious websites claiming they have evidence but they dont explain why, they just say it is. the language is iffy too because they make assumptions. ill keep looking later though



yeah that would be nice. but is it true? thats what really matters.
believe does not equal truth.
plus why cant we treat people nicely because it feels good to help others? why cant we have those rewards for good deeds on earth?

Exactly it's not gonna hurt him if we don't follow him but he does care for us.


Oh I thought you were asking to prove my faith again, oops. I don't have any proof to disprove the big bang but I mean how is absolutely nothing gonna turn into us even after all those years?

Bro do you still believe humans have natural morals that are influenced by society? How do you know religion got it's morals from society? What if it was the other way around?

Exactly, I'm saying that I believe as long as you are good god will judge you positively.

Yes yes ignore it. The bible doesn't tell us to do "bad" things, it told some of the people referred to in the bible to do bad things but there was always a reason for it.

You are looking up the wrong stuff, don't go to Christian websites because those people tend to be very close minded and just close their ears and scream "god is real and science is fake", I mean they can believe god, but god doesn't want blind followers, which is what they are.

If you want to be a good person without morals from the bible then that's great. That's exactly what Jesus want from us to bare good fruit. If you honestly want to "bare good fruit" then I believe god will judge you kindly.

 

[Hepheastus420]

aww man



what about the 'miracles' performed by preachers in churches all the time? they are not healing anyone at all, but the people still totally believed that he cured blindness or cancer, etc. there is a crowd of thousands watching him that believe he cured these people. the human brain can easily be deceived.



god kills many people in the bible for various reasons. he also tells humans to kill others, including family members. someone could easily dismiss the "thou shalt not kill" part and emphasize that murder is okay on certain people, because god told this guy to kill based on X reason. this does happen. you can see evidence of it with the jihadist muslims that blow themselves up.
it also seems pretty clear to me that stoning homosexuals can be justified without twisting scripture. the same goes for women that have sex before marriage. its all about emphasis. you just choose to emphasize the parts that the average joe would consider 'moral', while dismissing the parts you think negatively of AKA 'dont believe in'



i ask because im trying to get you to question your beliefs. not trying to talk you out of it, just showing you there are negatives to it that you may not see.
i also do not mean to fight when i call you out on stuff. that is what makes good debate

Yeah sorry about that, ha.

The thing is that Jesus caused physical miracles not curing you.

Cool, I can understand you questioning my beliefs. I was just making sure that we stay cool and not resort to hatred based on our beliefs.

 

[olylifter420]

Don't participate in the threads

yes, that is why i turned down hep's invite to join. thank you by the way, your opinion is important to me and will be considered.

 

[olylifter420]

whats up with this spammer?

Lets try talking about how marijuana is involved in all of these things rather than argue about who is right or fucking wrong. That is what the forum should be about. Not a bunch of dumb crap you all keep spitting about.

 

[blazinkill504]

another question i have if you follow the bible or any religion is why do you pick and choose what morals you follow out of the bible? if it as seen as the word of god shouldnt you be followin that shit to the t? doesnt it say that if you work on sunday the sabbath god says its punishable by death? lol everyone get the shottys out, tomorrow we got gods work to do!

 

[Hepheastus420]

another question i have if you follow the bible or any religion is why do you pick and choose what morals you follow out of the bible? if it as seen as the word of god shouldnt you be followin that shit to the t? doesnt it say that if you work on sunday the sabbath god says its punishable by death? lol everyone get the shottys out, tomorrow we got gods work to do!

Ugh it's getting annoying answering this question over anover again. Go search through other threads because this question has been answered countless times.

 

[blazinkill504]

Ugh it's getting annoying answering this question over anover again. Go search through other threads because this question has been answered countless times.

ok well fuck that question i got another. do you really believe in a dude that lived to be 950 and went around and got every animal from around the globe and put them in a big ass ship? or that a dude lived in a whale for 3 days? talkin snakes?

 

[olylifter420]

I got one for you, why dont you go and search the other threads????????
notice that it is a question

ok well fuck that question i got another. do you really believe in a dude that lived to be 950 and went around and got every animal from around the globe and put them in a big ass ship? or that a dude lived in a whale for 3 days? talkin snakes?

 

[Luger187]

Exactly it's not gonna hurt him if we don't follow him but he does care for us.

so religion is pointless? the only reason it exists is for society? and how do you know he cares for you? caring is a very human quality.

Oh I thought you were asking to prove my faith again, oops. I don't have any proof to disprove the big bang but I mean how is absolutely nothing gonna turn into us even after all those years?

physics... i suggest you look into the big bang theory and see what its really about because you dont seem to know.
the big bang does not say the universe came from nothing. it is called a singularity

Bro do you still believe humans have natural morals that are influenced by society?

yes we have evidence of it all around us. your religious morals were a learned behavior. you were not born with the bibles teaching in your head. but if you were not taught about the bible, would you be a serial killer? of course not.
how many people did that feral child murder? how many women did he rape?

How do you know religion got it's morals from society? What if it was the other way around?

because we wouldnt exist if it was the other way around. religion has not been around for humanities entire existence. if we didnt have morals without religion, we would have stolen, killed, etc. from our friends/family/tribe. if everyone was stealing and killing eachother, how would we form a decent tribe or civilization?
natural selection brought about morals because those that killed friends/family/tribe were less likely to mate. trusting that you will not kill me is important when we are living in the same hut

Exactly, I'm saying that I believe as long as you are good god will judge you positively.

what is good can change over time.

Yes yes ignore it. The bible doesn't tell us to do "bad" things, it told some of the people referred to in the bible to do bad things but there was always a reason for it.

no there is not always a good reason for it lol.

You are looking up the wrong stuff, don't go to Christian websites because those people tend to be very close minded and just close their ears and scream "god is real and science is fake", I mean they can believe god, but god doesn't want blind followers, which is what they are.

you are also a blind follower(no offense). you seem to make excuses for the bad parts to justify why it is right because god wants it, and praise the good parts. there is no way that the god in the bible is a loving god. it just cannot be true with all the shit god pulls in the bible.

If you want to be a good person without morals from the bible then that's great. That's exactly what Jesus want from us to bare good fruit. If you honestly want to "bare good fruit" then I believe god will judge you kindly.

you seem to know a lot about what god does or doesnt want

 

[Luger187]

Yeah sorry about that, ha.

The thing is that Jesus caused physical miracles not curing you.

Cool, I can understand you questioning my beliefs. I was just making sure that we stay cool and not resort to hatred based on our beliefs.

physical miracles?

 

[Luger187]

hep, if you have something to watch youtube on, look up "evidence big bang 10 minutes". it should be the first video. the picture is all purple and its by a guy named philhellenes

 

[sen.c]

hep, if you have something to watch youtube on, look up "evidence big bang 10 minutes". it should be the first video. the picture is all purple and its by a guy named philhellenes

You guys just can't get it you laugh at us and say we can't prove this and that yet you tell someone to look at this Big Bang CRAP. Are you seriously mentally ill or are you just so blinded by your own lack of proof you just can't see anything else?

 

[blazinkill504]

I got one for you, why dont you go and search the other threads????????
notice that it is a question

with that bruh you coulda just wrote what you think lol rather than me search through pages upon pages of shit

 

[Hepheastus420]

so religion is pointless? the only reason it exists is for society? and how do you know he cares for you? caring is a very human quality.



physics... i suggest you look into the big bang theory and see what its really about because you dont seem to know.
the big bang does not say the universe came from nothing. it is called a singularity



yes we have evidence of it all around us. your religious morals were a learned behavior. you were not born with the bibles teaching in your head. but if you were not taught about the bible, would you be a serial killer? of course not.
how many people did that feral child murder? how many women did he rape?



because we wouldnt exist if it was the other way around. religion has not been around for humanities entire existence. if we didnt have morals without religion, we would have stolen, killed, etc. from our friends/family/tribe. if everyone was stealing and killing eachother, how would we form a decent tribe or civilization?
natural selection brought about morals because those that killed friends/family/tribe were less likely to mate. trusting that you will not kill me is important when we are living in the same hut



what is good can change over time.



no there is not always a good reason for it lol.



you are also a blind follower(no offense). you seem to make excuses for the bad parts to justify why it is right because god wants it, and praise the good parts. there is no way that the god in the bible is a loving god. it just cannot be true with all the shit god pulls in the bible.



you seem to know a lot about what god does or doesnt want

God created us so I'm sure he knows what caring is.


Alright so how was the first matter created?


Maybe but god sees your soul (don't call me crazy) and knows if you are good.


Maybe not to you.

I'm not a blind follower. I listen to what science states as fact and do not argue against that. A blind follower will just do whatever they want because they can twist a scripture and say god wants me to do it. A blind follower will also deny facts. When do I make excuses for the bad things the people did during the creation of the bible days?


I believe I have a very very basic idea of what god wants from us.

I also believe our debate has come down to nothing of any importance. Unless you ask a question with a pure curiosity I will not answer it (no offense) because sooner or later it will just come down to me being "crazy" and then we will start the cycle over again. Once again no offense dude.

 

[Hepheastus420]

with that bruh you coulda just wrote what you think lol rather than me search through pages upon pages of shit

We have already answered your previous questions (asked by other members of RIU) countless times, now if you really want an answer you can go find it yourself. Finding an answer to your question is not our problem, it's only yours.