I hear you, Pada. I sensed your frustration yesterday when you scolded Oly: I have him on ignore, but I see some of his posts when people reply with quote to him. I read a civil back and forth between him and MP yesterday on another thread, and was impressed by oly's deference and eloquence, just to return here and see his posts degenerate. It's like reading Flowers for Algernon again...
You may want to study evolution: it explains in great detail exactly why we see the great diversity of life around us, and why it has the appearance of design without an actual designer. It was reasonable to believe a creator was responsible for the complexity of life before Darwin, but that was 150 years ago...
because everything can be explained. maybe not yet, but we use science to get there. without science, people can believe in anything because the human brain likes to believe things. people used to believe lightning was an act of god, until we figured out how it really works and what it really is.
its not about disproving them. it is about showing them they have no proof, when they believe they do. the reason they believe is usually for superstitious reasons. once someone believes something, they pick and choose things to back up their beliefs, because they already know it is correct. we know this is a function of the brain
Another phenominon they have absolutely no idea of but they will tell you it is real.
Really, that is interesting.
In a perfect world maybe, but that couldn't be farther from the truth in many cases.
That's funny, a function of the brain is survival. Try and hold your breath to kill yourself and your brain will say no. It is mans nature to survive at all cost so why would a person not recant their faith knowing they are about to be brutally killed for it? God gives man peace that can't be explained, and is evident in these situations. What would you do if you were going to be publicly excecuted recant or go through with it?
Quite the contrary: scientific discoveries do not take away from the wonder and grandeur of life, but instead enhances it greatly. I was brought up christian and none of my experiences while in that mind state could match the awe and majesty I feel through scientific exploration. The explanation that, poof! god created all, is nothing compared to the detailed wonder of the natural occurring phenomena of the cosmos. The odds of anyone of us being here to discuss these things are trillions to one, that fact alone is enough for me never to take this experience of conscious life for granted...
I am on here to express my beliefs, and the reasons I hold them, for the purpose of self-expression and to learn. I think you post on this sub-forum for similar reasons. I don't feel this is a waste of time for either of us, sure beats watching TV...
no. they tell you there is something making the universe expand. they call it dark energy. id like to know your explanation for why it is expanding.
so science is only good when it benefits you? but when it goes against your belief in god, its a wasteful thing?
what?
yes. as i explained, maybe we dont understand some things yet, but that does not mean they are unexplainable.
maybe they can prove some things in the bible are true but that doesnt mean god exists. where is this proof that there is a god? id like to see it. until then, i wont waste my time believing in one.
it is not mans nature to survive at all costs. a man will gladly die for something they believe in, if the belief is strong enough. if their beliefs are bigger than themselves and they believe god will reward them for sticking up for him, they have little problem dying. heaven is coming, after all
Ha it's funny that you ask for an explanation of why the world is expanding from a religious person, when it was a religious person who originally discovered what is known today as the Doppler effect. Which is what they based the world is expanding thing on.
so it was because he was religious that he discovered the Doppler effect? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ApopheniaHa it's funny that you ask for an explanation of why the world is expanding from a religious person, when it was a religious person who originally discovered what is known today as the Doppler effect. Which is what they based the world is expanding thing on.
IDK jut thought it was funny.
No I'm just saying I thought it was funny. I mean your saying many christians have no idea how the world is expanding, but we do. I mean it was a Christian who discovered the Doppler effect, so I'm pretty sure many Christians know the universe is expanding.
wtf? when did i say that? but anyways yes its true that many christians have no idea the universe is expanding or what that really means.
