what is it that convinces you ?

mindphuk

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Its funny how u think we just sprang to existence and the process doesnt happen now (evolution).
Actually it is the religionist that claims that we just sprang into existence. Rational people understand there was a long slow process that took billions of years before the first multicellular organism evolved. If you consider that springing into existence, I don't think anyone can help you understand.
 
why does your god play silly games ? why do you need to SEARCH for the guy ? why dosent he just reveal himself ? it all seems a bit silly to me , all i ever hear from religious people is 'i can see him ' 'you just need faith ' 'your searching for his love ' .........what a load of bull , is your god some kind of sadistic weirdo who likes to fuck with your mind ? ....................'only you can see god when hes ready to show himself ' ' god works in mysterious ways ' 'your just a human why should god reveal himself to you ' its all nonsense and i cant believe in 2011 theres still people who fall this trickery , according to you your god made us its him who put us here to worship him , yet here i am supposedly having to search for him lol ........................oh and P.S i dont need religion to keep me from violence and destruction , why do people feel they need a god to behave well ? dont you trust yourself ?
i CAN SEE UR CONFUSION, I HAD SIMILAR QUESTIONS, DOUBT AND DISBELIEF. BUT IT WAS IN THOSE ARENAS WHERE I SAW HIM. HE WAS AND IS THERE ALL ALONG BUT IT IT WE WHO CAN NOT SEE OR HEAR. WHEN ELISHA WAS BESIEGED BY THE KING WHO WONDERED HOW ELISHA KNEW OF THE WAR PLANS HE DISCUSSED IN HIS BEDCHAMBERS AND SENT A GREAT HOST TO KILL HIM. ELISHAS ASSISTANT WAS AFRAID BUT ELISHA TOLD HIM THAT THEIR WERE MORE WITH THEM THAN THERE WERE SOLDIERS. ELISHA ASK GOD TO OPEN THE EYES OF THE ASSISTANT AND HE SAW. 2KINGS 6:12. MAN IS ALWAYS QUESTIONING FOR SOMETHING RESTLESS WHICH UNGUARDED (STANDARD) TURN TO HIS OWN UNDERSTANDING WHICH OFTEN SHOW TO BE DEVICIVE, MALICIOUS, HARD HEARTED, CRUEL AND THE LIKE TO ENSURE PRESERVATION OF THEIR INTERESTS. WE ALL HAVE SHORT COMINGS, THINK WRONG THINGS DO WRONG THINGS BUT IN ALL THESE THINGS WE HAVE A WAY OF APPEASING OURSELVES INTO BELEIVING WHAT WE DID OR THE WAY WE ACTED WAS RIGHT AND/OR COME TO TERMS WITH IT IN OUR MINDS. BUT WHAT ABOUT THOSE AFFECTED BY OUR ACTIONS, WHATG ABOUT THE ONES HURT, DISENCHANED, CHANGED BY OUR WRONG WAYS. YEAH WE'RE FINE AND SETTLED, BUT THE DAMAGE IS DONE. WHAT ABOUT THE ONE WHO CANNOT PROCESS THE ILLS OF SOCIETY MORE EXPICITLY PEOPLE. HOW DO YOU HANDLE IT. IM SURE YOUR NOT 100% AND DO EVERYTHING CORRECT? WHATIS YOUR MORAL STANDARD, WHAT PROCESS OR THINGS GO ON IN YOU TO AFFECT CHANG IN YOU? IS IT FRIENDS, DRS, ? WHAT? AND IF U DO R THE WHOLE IS THEIR ADVICE FROM A PREVIOUS HURT OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD RENDER THEIR OPINION OR ADVICE BIAS? HMM! THERE IS A VOID IN MAN THAT ONLY GOD CAN FILL. RELATIONSHIP IF U HAVENT TRIED IT U ONLY SPEAK FROM IGNORANCE (NOT KNOWING). FOR INSTANCE YOU HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH A FEMALE OR MALE SAY U INTEND TO ENGAGE AND MARRY. YOU WANT TO ESTSBLISH A RELATIONSHIP WITH HER. AND THAT IN THESE DAYS MEANS COMMUNICAION, TIME SPENT TOGETHER, YOU CANT WAIT TO SEE THEM TALK TO THEM, THEY WILL DO FOR U AND U DO FOR THEM, AND ALL THE STUFF THA COMES ALONG WITH RELATIONSHIP. AND IF U HAVENT DONE ANY OF THIS PROCESS WITH GOD AND JESUS OUR ABBA FATHER AND OUR BROTHER YOU DONT KNOW GOD OR JESUS AND THERFORE NOT QUALIFIED TO MAKE ANY REMARKS. THAT LIKE ME ASKING U ABOUT MY WIFE HER LIKES AND DISLIKES. ABSURD! THIS LIFE IS SIMPLE SAYS THE LORD. HE CHOSE THE SIMPLE THINGS TO CONFOUND THE WISE. TRUTH JESUS
 
hostility? are you real?

https://www.rollitup.org/spirituality-sexuality-philosophy/449547-lets-debate.html

that should be enough for you to know that you are not chill and a cool dude. why is that you are always trying to start shit about religion? You always seem to say, "oh religious nut jobs, why do you shove your shit in our face?" when you are the one always starting shit around here.




there is no debating the Word of God. Either u beleive it or u dont. u cant fill old wineskins with new wine.
 

Luger187

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THERE NO ONE SINGLE THING THOUGH. THATS THE GREATNESS AND GOODNESS OF OUR FATHER. HE IS THE GOD OF ABUNDANCE, THE gOD OF MORE THAN ENOUGH
so he is a god of abundance and more than enough, yet there is zero evidence he exists. interesting...

sorry to say there is a god. It is going to be very interesting to see yours and all the other faces of those on the left when they see our king coming in his glory and when they have to sit and give an account at the judgement seat. Its funny how u think we just sprang to existence and the process doesnt happen now (evolution). And we can only explore our galaxy but there b billions of them and we havent explored our own planets oceans or explain and prevent catastrophic episodes. Yea of little mind and ways jer 55
you do know in order to verify if something is true or not you have to have some kind of evidence to back it up, right? you cant just claim god exists because you think he does. by the same reasoning, i can say there is definitely a flying spaghetti monster in the sky that covers us in his warm magic sauce(what you call gods love). you cant disprove it, so it must be true, right?!
 

diesel15

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17pgs of crap. ijust got home from church, read this stuff and frankly at this rate its goin absolutely nowhere. yall remember that thread ihad when me and sen.c was killin yall with undeniable truth? well, ideleted it because we gave yall eryting from every standpoint ex. proof of Jesus, how to get to know him, and countless other valuable info and yall read it, sat there and spit in our faces anyway. but look man if any of you anti-Christ's want to learn the real truth pm me and ill talk to you ONLY if you want the REAL truth.
 

Luger187

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17pgs of crap. ijust got home from church, read this stuff and frankly at this rate its goin absolutely nowhere. yall remember that thread ihad when me and sen.c was killin yall with undeniable truth? well, ideleted it because we gave yall eryting from every standpoint ex. proof of Jesus, how to get to know him, and countless other valuable info and yall read it, sat there and spit in our faces anyway. but look man if any of you anti-Christ's want to learn the real truth pm me and ill talk to you ONLY if you want the truth.
hahahahaha the truth huh? maybe its only truth because you believe it.
 

diesel15

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you know what, iwas bein serious and itried to help yall but, thats all yall do is laugh and disrespect but its cool. hell isn't the final destination, the lake of fire is, but ill still pray for yall anyway and hopefully yall will see light before its too late
 

Luger187

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you know what, iwas bein serious and itried to help yall but, thats all yall do is laugh and disrespect but its cool. hell isn't the final destination, the lake of fire is, but ill still pray for yall anyway and hopefully yall will see light before its too late
i laugh because its totally ridiculous to believe these things. and when you say its the truth it makes it even better because theres nothing to back it up. sure jesus probably existed but that doesnt mean he was god. people just believe he is, like warren jeffs followers do. its all a function of the brain buddy
 

tyler.durden

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there is no debating the Word of God. Either u beleive it or u dont. u cant fill old wineskins with new wine.
If this is the case, it seems that your posting spree this Sunday morning was in vain. Someone had a triple shot of espresso, a double shot of church and a big bowl of scripture for breakfast...
 

tyler.durden

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That's cool, is it just for atheists? Like do people from different religions show up and debate with them? If so I would like to go... Ha I would probably be kicked out, but seriously sounds interesting.



Dude (Tyler) your avatar of tyler always makes me want a cigarette, like seriously everytime I see it I either roll a joint or smoke a cig. Ha I'm not even joking.
Anyone is free to attend. Intellectuals from many religions show up for debate, but those are scheduled events on stage. You could debate with attendees, you may be slightly outnumbered but you are used to that here :)

I have the same reaction to my avatar, lucky I didn't choose a picture where he's beating someone to death...
 

spliffendz

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I was born into a religion, but I have complete and utter faith that there is a 'God', and not a god that is defined by the media or dogma.

I used to pray for little things when I was young, not silly things like riches, etc. but little personal things.

When I say pray, I mean just closing my eyes, when I was emotional and really concentrating on the idea/concept I was "wishing" for. 2/3 things that I desired, came to be, that I can remember, but I am forever humble and greatful for the life that has been bestowed on me, anyway.

One was material things, and one was for a family member to return. Some may say probability, but the material thing was certain numbers of items, and seeing as I prayed in my mind, and not aloud, there is no way anyone on earth would have know what I was desiring.

These things I "prayed" for came to be, but only after a great time, so I agree with the saying, the best things come to those who wait. I am not for one second stating that this is how religion works though, as it doesn't. I am just relating a story as to what has confirmed my faith. Also, the miraculous world we live in, and the experiences we can feel as a human, are testament to a Lord of the universe...
 

tyler.durden

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I was born into a religion, but I have complete and utter faith that there is a 'God', and not a god that is defined by the media or dogma.

I used to pray for little things when I was young, not silly things like riches, etc. but little personal things.

When I say pray, I mean just closing my eyes, when I was emotional and really concentrating on the idea/concept I was "wishing" for. 2/3 things that I desired, came to be, that I can remember, but I am forever humble and greatful for the life that has been bestowed on me, anyway.

One was material things, and one was for a family member to return. Some may say probability, but the material thing was certain numbers of items, and seeing as I prayed in my mind, and not aloud, there is no way anyone on earth would have know what I was desiring.

These things I "prayed" for came to be, but only after a great time, so I agree with the saying, the best things come to those who wait. I am not for one second stating that this is how religion works though, as it doesn't. I am just relating a story as to what has confirmed my faith. Also, the miraculous world we live in, and the experiences we can feel as a human, are testament to a Lord of the universe...
[video=youtube;BH0rFZIqo8A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH0rFZIqo8A[/video]

[video=youtube;jk6ILZAaAMI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk6ILZAaAMI[/video]
 

Padawanbater2

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I was born into a religion, but I have complete and utter faith that there is a 'God', and not a god that is defined by the media or dogma.

I used to pray for little things when I was young, not silly things like riches, etc. but little personal things.

When I say pray, I mean just closing my eyes, when I was emotional and really concentrating on the idea/concept I was "wishing" for. 2/3 things that I desired, came to be, that I can remember, but I am forever humble and greatful for the life that has been bestowed on me, anyway.

One was material things, and one was for a family member to return. Some may say probability, but the material thing was certain numbers of items, and seeing as I prayed in my mind, and not aloud, there is no way anyone on earth would have know what I was desiring.

These things I "prayed" for came to be, but only after a great time, so I agree with the saying, the best things come to those who wait. I am not for one second stating that this is how religion works though, as it doesn't. I am just relating a story as to what has confirmed my faith. Also, the miraculous world we live in, and the experiences we can feel as a human, are testament to a Lord of the universe...

What would it take to discredit prayer in your mind?

As you said, you prayed, then waited a long time before it was ever "answered", so how do you know it was actually being answered instead of just happen chance?

Example;

Say my parents get divorced when I'm 12, I pray they get back together, a few years go by, nothing happens. Now I'm 15 and my mom decides she misses my dad and they get back together. See, in this situation, to a believer, I think they would be convinced that their prayers were answered, but to an atheist, I just see that time has passed, the love they both felt for each other is still there, no divine intervention required.

In this situation, how would you determine that it was in fact your prayer that got your parents back together and not just time and other natural circumstances?

This same line of reasoning goes along with sen.c's description of why he believes, to which I was never given an answer...
 

diesel15

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ipromise yall on my life before God, and Lord if im lying right now strike me down and throw me in hell. ipromise on my life before God that if anybody lives for God and truly do his will your life will be much better. idone it all man, guns on me, plenty money, and hoes and friends who would do anything for me, i aint believe in no higher being. ileft it all to be with God, if there was any doubt in my mind about God not existing iwouldnt be here now talkin to yall about him and thats foreal. The devil puts things in my mind sometimes to try and get me away from God but God comes through for me everytime, and let me just say God dont got no reason to lie or fool you if he says something it is what it is. God aint go nowhere, we left from him. why would God grab your attention if you dont want it to be grabbed? but if you want to know him God will reveal himself. yeah God works in mysterious ways. it took me a serious beat down in prison for me to finally bow down to him, and let him be my boss, and once idid im glad he let me get beatdown because his word is 100% true.
 

lexros

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i guess i dont believe that the complex designs you see in nature were a fluke, i see the complex human body and the thousands of different species of a particular animal which are all unique in a certain way. i think there has to be a creator who designed all of this
 
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