what is it that convinces you ?

[gfreeman]

*fires up chainsaw*
so be it, im here.

 

[gfreeman]

And thats a perfect analogy, a thunderdome. Lets go to a 'Thunderdome' to 'discuss' our 'spirituality'. Great! Thats the exact kind of place i need to learn about God, in a hostile enviroement of fueding MEN. awesome analogy!

 

[cannabineer]

*fires up chainsaw*
so be it, im here.

ohhhh dude, it STARTED. Suddenly my Daffy Duck hammer isn't King o' the Dome any more ...
cheers 'neer

 

[gfreeman]

dude, daffy duck hammer always trumps chainsaw! seriously bro youve never watched cartoons!?

 

[cannabineer]

well like i said, no insult intended.
Ive just seen some of the same users, argueing the same thing, for over a couple months now. afterall this is a pot culture forum, but im not mad or upset or anything. I just wonder why people choose to troll eachother online about shit.

I cannot speak for any others, but in my case boredom and isolation (in meatspace) have much to do with it. That and a refined sense of not taking myself seriously.
cheers 'neer

 

[cannabineer]

dude, daffy duck hammer always trumps chainsaw! seriously bro youve never watched cartoons!?

My anvil's ankle holster broke.
cheers 'neer

 

[sen.c]

where exactly is science callin kids failures?

Not dense as you I guess but what can you expect from the Louisiana public school system. I feel sorry for the kids who's parents can't afford private school over there.

Every Science class in America says you are a failure if you don't agree with their beliefs. Sure are there things in Science that are true and worth learning but go ahead
on a multiple choice test and answer there theories aren't true and see if you pass.

the difference between questionable science and questionable religion is that we can answer the scientific questions this day, but we cant do that with religion cause god apparently doesnt wanna come down and hang out with us

Yeah well you gonna have to review that answer because there are still a ton of questions that science can't answer "This Day."

the fear of death is soo great in ppl that they will clinch onto any kinda god or hope they can for an afterlife that you dont realize the dumb shit thats sittin right in front of your face.

I don't fear death, it is something we all are going to do not much chance of getting around it.

Proper honest science has very little traction in dealing with matters of spirit. Yes, sparks fly when simple science-reinforced common sense comes up against details of fundamentalist doctrine (favorites: Noah's world flood, Methuselah's age) and, all in all, it's fun to watch. It's also fun to discuss these matters here in RIU's tame version of Thunderdome.
But at post's end we all need to take a deep breath, suitably fortified, and remember that all this falls under both a supercategory and a recommended procedure

I can see where you are coming from, and understand. The problem is as you stated the overreaching that is becoming more and more prevelant. I enjoy certian aspects of science and excelled in certian areas but there is always a certian few people that like to dictate their theories as law and that is where the rubber should meet the road when it comes to questioning the validity of a claim.

I have no problem whatsoever in someone not believeing in the God I believe in but, when someone tells me I am stupid, close minded or so on then that is where the problems start. You have the right to believe what ever you want but don't ask the question if you don't want the answer. I have never been accused of being politically correct and telling people what they want to hear. With that said believe what you want but don't belittle me for doing what I do it's my right.

 

[Luger187]

So it is expanding, let's call it Dark Energy. As I have said before human nature is to assign something a value to feel they understand it. While we are at it let's go ahead and throw in some Dark Matter that they
don't know anything about and maybe there will be a "Dark Planet" full of "Ancient Aliens" that live an abundantly "Dark Life."

so should we not have a name for the force? should we not have a name for dark matter, which we know is there because we can detect it? sure we dont know what they are or how it works, but we know they are there. we apply names so people dont have to say 'that force that makes the universe expand'

There you go putting words in my mouth and spinning a statement again. If you noticed I said HUMANITY. By the way, yes there are plenty of wasteful things that science does that will never benefit humanity
but it goes back to another statement I said and that is PRIDE.

so we should just quit doing science? i dont get what you are trying to say

Sounds like your trying to sell off an empty wagon there buddy. I would love to see a stock broker try and sell based off of that means of thinking. By the way if something is unexplainable then that is exactly what it is, until the issue has been explained and backed up with data and can be reproduced in a controlled enviroment it is unexplainable.

yes, and how do you explain previously unexplained things? by figuring it out with science...
btw in the other post, i meant unexplainable as in never being able to be explained.

]You are right, perhaps it is my fault by not being more in depth and explaining myself better about this statement. However, I bet the old suicide bomber right as he pushes the button thinks "I hope I'm right but by that point it's too late."

maybe a few i guess. but they still do it because their spiritual beliefs over ride that thought

 

[Luger187]

Yep, sure do. If Science is going to teach children what they do and put it out there as true I sure do.

sounds a lot like religion. except with religion you cant question the beliefs.

What makes it different for Science to indoctrinate children and deem them failures if they refuse to believe or question the validity of scientific claims that are questionable?

kids are taught to question everything in science. if the kid has a better theory than the current one, im sure they wouldnt be put down because of it

Oh, I get it because science is not a religion right.

correct. what makes you think it is?

My faith has nothing to do with science, and I don't feel the need to have to validate anything rather just have faith after all that is all that I am asked to do is have faith in my religion.

yeah because if you questioned it, you probably wouldnt believe. why else do you think they have that faith rule?

My religion has nothing to do with your science, so the standards don't play into it.

any and all beliefs should be questioned. religion doesnt get special rules where science doesnt apply.

That is the problem with you, everything you don't understand you try and make it science and it is not.

science is how we understand the world. in order to understand something, you apply science to it. otherwise you have no basis for what is real or made up.

The mindset like yours is exactly why there is the seperation of church and state.

if we wanted to eradicate religion by using government, i guess. its also so one religion isnt supported by the government over others.

Contrary to popular belief the seperation has nothing to do with the government trying to protect anyone it was put in place to protect us religious folk from the government trying to institute a government ran religion, kinda like science.

why do you think science is a religion?! you must be joking.

Pride, that's all it is.

what?

 

[diesel15]

imean, idont really care anymore, thats why im not really sayin nuffin. but look people if you want to see proof of God's existence, the only thing yall have to do is open your eyes and look. its that simple, so don't think too hard about it. but ibetchu most wont get it.

 

[diesel15]

you ya own man so dont follow the majority on their quest. you gota go your own way to your own destination and following them is just a big inconvenience to you because, in the end it was their quest. you was taggin along

 

[Luger187]

imean, idont really care anymore, thats why im not really sayin nuffin. but look people if you want to see proof of God's existence, the only thing yall have to do is open your eyes and look. its that simple, so don't think too hard about it. but ibetchu most wont get it.

the more i open my eyes to the world, the less i see god. the more i look, the more i realize there is no reason to believe

 

[mindphuk]

What is this proof you expect us to see? My guess is some sort of personal revelation, not empirical proof. What do you say to all of the non-believers that were once very pious? I know people that went to seminary that now are atheists. It seems that deconversion happens much more than people give credit.

imean, idont really care anymore, thats why im not really sayin nuffin. but look people if you want to see proof of God's existence, the only thing yall have to do is open your eyes and look. its that simple, so don't think too hard about it. but ibetchu most wont get it.

 

[Heisenberg]

Every Science class in America says you are a failure if you don't agree with their beliefs. Sure are there things in Science that are true and worth learning but go ahead
on a multiple choice test and answer there theories aren't true and see if you pass.

This is an accusation against out education process, not science. Math also fails you if you don't learn the material. Is math simply a belief? Only if you conflate different contextual meanings to the word belief. It has been clearly shown that science welcomes, in fact depends on, dispute.

"In science it often happens that scientists say, "You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken," and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion." - Carl Sagan

Yeah well you gonna have to review that answer because there are still a ton of questions that science can't answer "This Day."

Yes, science is not omniscient, and neither is religion. In caparison, science answers much more than religion. Religion has answered the same things, incorrectly, for years. Religion has no way to keep up with modern knowledge and offer relevance, and your only recourse is to attack science.

I can see where you are coming from, and understand. The problem is as you stated the overreaching that is becoming more and more prevelant. I enjoy certian aspects of science and excelled in certian areas but there is always a certian few people that like to dictate their theories as law and that is where the rubber should meet the road when it comes to questioning the validity of a claim.

Yet religious claims, which you support, offer no answers to the question of validity. These claims are very specific and often entail prejudice, guilt and racism. For these claims you you grant a pass to validation and offer no explanation other than faith.

I have no problem whatsoever in someone not believeing in the God I believe in but, when someone tells me I am stupid, close minded or so on then that is where the problems start. You have the right to believe what ever you want but don't ask the question if you don't want the answer. I have never been accused of being politically correct and telling people what they want to hear. With that said believe what you want but don't belittle me for doing what I do it's my right.

I am sorry if you don't like an intelligent response to your ridiculous and contemptible beliefs, but take it up with reality. The belittlement is derived from your own words and ideas. The only way you can struggle through a defense is if you misrepresent the opposition, engage in a double standard, and enclose a false disclaimer. Your entire debate style depends on tricks, manipulation and insults wrapped up in a song and dance routine that often includes the hurt card as an encore.

 

[Hepheastus420]

the fear of death is soo great in ppl that they will clinch onto any kinda god or hope they can for an afterlife that you dont realize the dumb shit thats sittin right in front of your face.

That's not true, I personally believe I will just go to my grave and that's it. So I don't know where you pulled that one out of. oh it's crazy how people automatically think all religious people follow a religion based on fear.

 

[Heisenberg]

That's not true, I personally believe I will just go to my grave and that's it. So I don't know where you pulled that one out of. oh it's crazy how people automatically think all religious people follow a religion based on fear.

Have you yourself not asserted the idea that atheists do bad things in the absence of fear of god?

 

[diesel15]

your lookin too hard. seeing proof is so simple that its overlooked in everyday life. its not what your lookin for.. its what your lookin at. just clear your mind. look. and observe. No thoughts. focus on seeing/looking.. NUFFIN ELSE not even blankin or breathin or NOTHIN but incorporate it. understand it. and it'll come to you givin you knowledge unimaginable. burn herbs. that'll help too

 

[Heisenberg]

your lookin too hard. seeing proof is so simple that its overlooked in everyday life. its not what your lookin for.. its what your lookin at. just clear your mind. look. and observe. No thoughts. focus on seeing/looking.. NUFFIN ELSE not even blankin or breathin or NOTHIN but incorporate it. understand it. and it'll come to you givin you knowledge unimaginable. burn herbs. that'll help too

So the way to knowledge is to not think? If this were true then how come a person can go into a cave and meditate for 20 years and come out without the slightest knowledge of physics, thermodynamics and quantum theory? I think you mean the way to accept religion and god is to not think and to have ambiguous standards for what constitutes proof.

 

[diesel15]

So the way to knowledge is to not think? If this were true then how come a person can go into a cave and meditate for 20 years and come out without the slightest knowledge of physics, thermodynamics and quantum theory? I think you mean the way to accept religion and god is to not think and to have ambiguous standards for what constitutes proof.

no man, how can someone live and not know what life is? im tryna show what life is. God is life. if you see and understand what life truly is, then you'll see God's proof within life.

 

[sen.c]

I am sorry if you don't like an intelligent response to your ridiculous and contemptible beliefs, but take it up with reality. The belittlement is derived from your own words and ideas. The only way you can struggle through a defense is if you misrepresent the opposition, engage in a double standard, and enclose a false disclaimer. Your entire debate style depends on tricks, manipulation and insults wrapped up in a song and dance routine that often includes the hurt card as an encore.

I love it, what makes you big in your own mind is your arrogance and pride. You sit back on your computer and use all your big words in an effort to make you feel superior as if you are some intellectual giant but the fact of the matter in the grand scheme of things is you are no more than a blip on the radar that is time.

Everytime I turn around you have an issue with how I go about debating, if you are such a scholar maybe you should write a book that outlines the details and rules of engagement for people to be able to debate you.

Religion has no way to keep up with modern knowledge and offer relevance, and your only recourse is to attack science.

I love your assertion that religious people have some evident lack of knowledge according to you, last time I checked we were all people endowed with the same abilities as you. Just another pride drunken statement to make you feel better.