fabfun
New Member
if u are referring to me i dont see a post i made that wasnt nice
Organics ARE chemicals
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if u are referring to me i dont see a post i made that wasnt nice
malignant
Well-Known Member
do as you like, aslong as the rules are being minded im happy. when threads runaway or get nasty ie insults thrown around im supposed to get it back on track, or close/delete. im just doing my job, sorry your having a bad day, if you have an issue i hope you can work it out, good luck and thanks for playing.
cannawizard
Well-Known Member
*aahh crap.. is it too late to flame.. sigh... only got 3 posts in... sigh...
Illumination
New Member
That is exactly correct...very fine thinking there...As well as very clearly stated...thank you...
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
yeah if toxic chemical popcorn isn't welcome on the organic v chemical flame thread, then... uh, yeah. jokes lighten the mood. I don't see any insults, neg rep, or reported posts (altho I skimmed most of this thread). Im pretty sure fab and i can play around without either of us getting butt hurt (notice the thousands of posts and many rep bars we each have). we are having fun... until you came and made it all serious up in here. this thread is garbage flaming from inception with the Title and the OP, especially in the organic forum. don't expect it to be taken seriously. Off topic? Really? Any thread with all caps representing yelling, in the title, is a flame thread. DO YOU NOT AGREE?
also ARE YOU NOT AMUSED?! (been wanting to yell that) ... every forum needs a joke thread. basically you can let it flame on, or close it. this thread by design is meant to flame the organic forum.This is the kind of popcorn I grew up with. No one seems to know about this style. "Back to Basics PC17589 Electric Stir-Crazy Popcorn Popper"
http://www.bananzaland.com/back-to-basics-pc17589-electric-stir-crazy-popcorn-popper/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&utm_campaign=11%20Sep%202011%2013:24
And if this doesn't get you to chuckle you need more THC... nobody's purrrrrrrrrfect
This argument will never die. Chem growers interpret organic in the chemical sense, missing the meaning of the word as it relates to soil gardening altogether (biology, not chemistry). Its not even semantics. Its intentional ignorance. The real meaning of organic is posted here all over. Anyone with common sense knows that "organic" as it relates to any living organism means a biological soil(less) food web... life feeding plants their wastes.
cannawizard
Well-Known Member
*well , I, for one.. am very amused by this thread... thnx fab & Matt...yeah if toxic chemical popcorn isn't welcome on the organic v chemical flame thread, then... uh, yeah. jokes lighten the mood. I don't see any insults, neg rep, or reported posts (altho I skimmed most of this thread). Im pretty sure fab and i can play around without either of us getting butt hurt (notice the thousands of posts and many rep bars we each have). we are having fun... until you came and made it all serious up in here. this thread is garbage flaming from inception with the Title and the OP, especially in the organic forum. don't expect it to be taken seriously. Off topic? Really? Any thread with all caps representing yelling, in the title, is a flame thread. DO YOU NOT AGREE?
This is the kind of popcorn I grew up with. No one seems to know about this style. "Back to Basics PC17589 Electric Stir-Crazy Popcorn Popper"
http://www.bananzaland.com/back-to-basics-pc17589-electric-stir-crazy-popcorn-popper/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&utm_campaign=11%20Sep%202011%2013:24
And if this doesn't get you to chuckle you need more THC... nobody's purrrrrrrrrfect
This argument will never die. Chem growers interpret organic in the chemical sense, missing the meaning of the word as it relates to soil gardening altogether (biology, not chemistry). Its not even semantics. Its intentional ignorance. The real meaning of organic is posted here all over. Anyone with common sense knows that "organic" as it relates to any living organism means a biological soil(less) food web... life feeding plants their wastes.
Rize up!!
Da Almighty Jew
Well-Known Member
I think everybody is being very nice. I was even called jesus
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stonedmetalhead1
Well-Known Member
You did it wrong.
still going
This is a pic of an old crop but I harvested around 10 lbs. under 4000W and CO2, all organic.
stonedmetalhead1
Well-Known Member
The problem with Chem ferts is the impact on the environment. With herb you have to worry about the drain to waste growers and agriculturally you have to worry about the large corporations killing large plots of soil by pumping it full of salts. The end product of herb grown with Chem ferts can be nice but you can really tell the difference of chem grown herb and organic herb.
poplars
Well-Known Member
yeah seriously, you should see the outdoor organic crops out here... 10 foot plants with 2 foot long buds that are around 4 inches wide.... yeah organic = shit yeild LFMAO.You did it wrong.
still going
This is a pic of an old crop but I harvested around 10 lbs. under 4000W and CO2, all organic.
if anything chemicals = shit yeild because the plant is so stressed it can't show you it's true potential... I've seen many plants grown chemically produce shit bud, that looked good smelled pretty good tasted like shit harsh as fuck.... then you get the organic, INTENSE aromas, VERY smooth smoke, very very nice high...
so yeah its quite simple, people who wanna play around with the chemical ways are far different from the organic growers, we respect the plant, the soil, and the ecosystem. chemical growers do not, and the resulting harvest demonstrates this quite effectively.
so it's cool you guys can try to say organics are just like chemicals, but if it were so, we wouldn't have all been switching for the past 5 or 10 years would we? just sayin'
doc111
Well-Known Member
lol! I have not bashed organics in any way, so why do the organic hardcores feel the need to make comments like "chemical growers don't respect the plant, the soil, and the ecosystem"? lol! I give up!
poplars
Well-Known Member
we seriously don't think there is a way you can truly have a balanced eco-system with chemical grows, it's that simple.lol! I have not bashed organics in any way, so why do the organic hardcores feel the need to make comments like "chemical growers don't respect the plant, the soil, and the ecosystem"? lol! I give up!
even if you balanced it as best you can, you're still killing some microbes, you're still stressing the plant in some way that may not even be obvious to you.
it doesn't matter if you haven't bashed or not, it's simple, those who still stand by chemical nutrients are standing for a non-natural product that doesn't coincide with the balance of nature. thus the balance of the plant, and the cannabinoids that you will be enjoying, will not be as good as the organic natural way....
I'm not saying chemical growers don't respect the plant... but they certainly don't respect the soil or the ecosystem if they insist they can use chemical nutrients in even slight concentrations to make their plants grow 'better' lol.....
cannawizard
Well-Known Member
doc111
Well-Known Member
I am not able to do INDOOR totally organic. I get as close as I can, but it just doesn't work the way I'd like. We've seen so many opinions as to what organic even truly is! Fore example, any packaged, boxed or bottled processed nute isn't organic? So according to some, if you are using any pakcages of any sort to grow, you're not doing TRUE organic. Some say that growing indoors with artificial lighting is somehow destroying the planet and somehow disrespecting the plant and mother nature. Some of us have NO choice but to grow indoors, under artifical lights using packaged, processed products. I do all that my time and ability allow in hopes that one day EVERYONE will be able to grow outdoors, under the sun, the way mother nature intended. We have a ways to go before that can become a reality and until then I will continue to do what my time, space, and budget allows in order to grow my medicine. I believe we all have a right to benefit from this gift of creation, this wonderful plant that can offer humanity so much! (apolgies for my stoned ramblings.......lol!
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Nullis
Moderator
One might argue there is no "opinion" as to what organic "truly" is. Just loads of misunderstanding, ignorance and perhaps some over-blown sensationalized marketing (which happens to virtually everything these days). Like Rize said previously, and probably put it best: true organics is about biology and what happens\has been happening in the rhizosphere (and phyllosphere) of plants everywhere on Earth for hundreds of millions of years. In other words true organic is living organic, and a lot of that life you simply cannot see, so many don't know it exists and is so profound or suppose it just isn't that important.
Fact remains that not all prepackaged\bottled 'all natural' nutrients are conducive to living organics. A lot of people think if they grow with 'natural' bottled nutrients as opposed to synthetic ones they are doing 'organics' but they're still ignorant as to the biological aspect, which is HUGE. Still, not all prepackaged natural\organic nutrients are bad... many (like Espoma brand) utilize ingredients that are essentially conducive to recycling organic matter via life: putting natural industry by-products to good use. They have to be primarily of plant\animal origin (although not any animal and not any part of the animal) simply because microbes happen to work off of natural by-products\materials as opposed to lab chemicals and big-pharma's waste. I am sure those big-pharma by-products have a decent use, too, but being applied to agricultural lands where crops are being grown shouldn't be one of them... that just happens to be too profitable a use for them to pass up.
And don't even get me started on sewage sludge, again not technically organic and not even allowed in USDA-cert, but a lot of people go to that extreme thinking it must be because they think hey all natural right? Wrong. When you buy something USDA certified organic you can pretty well rest assured it was grown without the aid of human feces. That certainly can't be said for all produce in your local super-market.
Fact remains that not all prepackaged\bottled 'all natural' nutrients are conducive to living organics. A lot of people think if they grow with 'natural' bottled nutrients as opposed to synthetic ones they are doing 'organics' but they're still ignorant as to the biological aspect, which is HUGE. Still, not all prepackaged natural\organic nutrients are bad... many (like Espoma brand) utilize ingredients that are essentially conducive to recycling organic matter via life: putting natural industry by-products to good use. They have to be primarily of plant\animal origin (although not any animal and not any part of the animal) simply because microbes happen to work off of natural by-products\materials as opposed to lab chemicals and big-pharma's waste. I am sure those big-pharma by-products have a decent use, too, but being applied to agricultural lands where crops are being grown shouldn't be one of them... that just happens to be too profitable a use for them to pass up.
And don't even get me started on sewage sludge, again not technically organic and not even allowed in USDA-cert, but a lot of people go to that extreme thinking it must be because they think hey all natural right? Wrong. When you buy something USDA certified organic you can pretty well rest assured it was grown without the aid of human feces. That certainly can't be said for all produce in your local super-market.
cannawizard
Well-Known Member
* i <3 this thread.. free post... wweeeeee
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Finally an adult to put it eloquently.
We use humanure around these parts, the city sells it for cheap
