So many people saying the word 'Hermie'! Dose anyone even know what one is???

Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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God its like every other thread in this forum has someone mentioning the word hermie and marijuana in the same sentence.

Heard over a million different peoples explanations and opinions but none really stack up or make sense when were talking hermie weed plants.

I have two questions-

1) Is a ten pound yeilding marijuana tree a hermie if it has one single pollen sac on it in all that ten pounds of dank weed??

2) If it is then that means in no uncertain terms that the strain it came from was a genetically hermie strain??

If you answered yes to the first question then most of us are growing hermie plants!

Explantions from those who think they know what defines a hermie plant and the strain please? Peace:blsmoke:
 
pandan

pandan

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1) Is a ten pound yeilding marijuana tree a hermie if it has one single pollen sac on it in all that ten pounds of dank weed??

Yes it is. What does Hermie mean? It has both female and male reproductive parts. 1 male flower and a million female flower still means it has both.

2) If it is then that means in no uncertain terms that the strain it came from was a genetically hermie strain??

The strain? Not necessarily. Look at humans for example. Two parents can be mostly genetically healthy but have 1 child that is genetically weak and others that are genetically strong. I have a friend who is very fit and smart, as are his parents but his brother was born with no body fat and other weird genetic abnormalities. Also you can have twins right, but put one under massive stress every day with no sleep and another in a good living environment and maybe the stressed one will get a cancer and illness that healthy twin will never experience.

Most of us growing hermie? That's a big statement. I mean you don't even know me but you think you know what I grow? But well I do know that because commercial growers use bagseed here and are shit at growing there is a lot of hermie bud being sold and grown. That's the hillbilly supply chain though, me and my enlightened friends buy seeds from reputable breeders through reputable websites.
 
pandan

pandan

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Oh PS, one single male flower can make a lot of seeds. That's the problem with a hermie, their evil is powerful
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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pandan said:
1) Is a ten pound yeilding marijuana tree a hermie if it has one single pollen sac on it in all that ten pounds of dank weed??

Yes it is. What does Hermie mean? It has both female and male reproductive parts. 1 male flower and a million female flower still means it has both.

2) If it is then that means in no uncertain terms that the strain it came from was a genetically hermie strain??

The strain? Not necessarily. Look at humans for example. Two parents can be mostly genetically healthy but have 1 child that is genetically weak and others that are genetically strong. I have a friend who is very fit and smart, as are his parents but his brother was born with no body fat and other weird genetic abnormalities. Also you can have twins right, but put one under massive stress every day with no sleep and another in a good living environment and maybe the stressed one will get a cancer and illness that healthy twin will never experience.
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Not really how genetics works, they still both have the same genetic makeup and genes, the fact that some are weaker and some are more dominant is what you are refering too here i think dude.

pandan said:
Most of us growing hermie? That's a big statement. I mean you don't even know me but you think you know what I grow? But well I do know that because commercial growers use bagseed here and are shit at growing there is a lot of hermie bud being sold and grown. That's the hillbilly supply chain though, me and my enlightened friends buy seeds from reputable breeders through reputable websites.
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So subcool isnt a reputable breeder?? Go read his threads as he himself grows seeds and plants with a slight herm at the end of flowering and his seeds are pretty commercial and available.

So yes i suppose that is what im saying if you have to put it like that but i was really looking for some kind of definition of a hermie??

The way you say it a hermie plant/strain will never show male flower on a female plant or visa versa when only bred within that strain? Either this or my questions have some merit and deserve some discussion. Peace
 
*BUDS

*BUDS

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I agree i wish so many people would stop growing fucking hermies. Buy some reliable seeds, dont mess up light period for fucks sake.
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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*BUDS said:
I agree i wish so many people would stop growing fucking hermies. Buy some reliable seeds, dont mess up light period for fucks sake.
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Good point, i suppose most hermies are stress induced and in a perfect grow you wouldnt get any hermie traits. I forgot about this with all the hermies about. Peace
 
troutie

troutie

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well i have very little experience with growing... but have never come across a "hermie" in the dozen or so i have grown.. males yes ... females defo :-) .... but never a herm
i have checked them daily too as i keep hearing people say it can be just be like hardly noticable. a ball or two here and there

i have freinds who have a rouge male undiscovered in the grow room that has spunked everywhere... and they have blamed it on a "hermie"... LAZY LYING GITS

but what i have read.. i'm not suprised as loads of people on here are having problems with genetics ... they think they can make new strains from this and that... back cross it ...and three times stablise it blah blah blah ... and what there talking about creating is already in one of the orginal crossed strains they intend to start playing with ... if they bothered to read up!

i'm gonna cross skunk #1 with a live pig.... that i can have bacon flavored muchies!
 
rowlman

rowlman

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I had a plant hermie last summer and it gave me all fem. seeds...all fems so far anyways...Bubba Kush from greenhouse seeds.
I started with 1 freebie seed....cut clones for almost a year off that 1 plant...then got over 1500 seeds in my last harvest!...I was pissed at first, but so far 4 have sprouted out of 7...and all are female...so in my case..yeah hermie!
The smoke was in no way ruined by this...just a few seeds to deal with...now I have a lifetime supply of bubba kush!!
 
Grumpy'

Grumpy'

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Tired of seeing people using the human genome to try to explain hermie/male/female traits in plants. That's like comparing apples to steak. All strains have the ability to go hermie, some ate more suseptable than others. Even a female advertised seed can turn out a hermie. This is where you hear people talk about stable strains. You have genetic hermies that are prone to showing the traits early, even without stress, stress induced which is self explanatory (more breeding can bring the odds to your favor) and forced (chemical) hermies. Even the best breeders will tell you it's work to find stable strains or to get certain traits to be predominant.

As for question 1 (OP) yes. Even one flower makes it a hermie, but doesn't mean genetic. Stress and even letting a plant go beyond ideal harvest time can cause it to hermie.
 
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Destillat

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as grumpy said, all genetics have the ability to turn into a hermaphrodite and yes, any plant who has both sexes is technically a hermie. It would take decades of work and research on the genetic level to cull this trait from the species. Deal with it!
 
ismokealotofpot

ismokealotofpot

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Hmmm back in the 90s a hermaphrodite plant was a rare thing and yes seeds can all be female or have herm tendencies. I have found two kinds of hermies lately one was a female in early stage of flower and dropped a few pods this is a bad one. Those plants got nixed rite away. Then i spotted one pushing male flowers late in flowering this does produce seed but only a few. This type of hermaphrodite is the plants way of reproducing its self. I believe a feminized seed is the problem. a fem seed is from a female plant that was turned into a male due to chemicals or stress.The seeds that come from these plants may have hermie traits. I fear this will only get worse with time. What if someone created this to destroy cannabis.
 
Jack Harer

Jack Harer

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Hermies are created by any number of causes. Hermaphrodism is even a built in survival mechanism in Cannabis. They will throw pollen sacs at the very end if they are not fertilized.
I believe Cannabis is semi-androgynous anyway. We know that plants exude pheromones for a variety of reasons, and even communicate on a base level thru them. There IS a school of thought in the academic world that sex isn't even fixed in Cannabis until about the fourth or fifth node, and thru this, a plant growing amid a field of mostly or all females emitting pheromones will be influenced to be male, and vice versa. I have seen this phenomena occur enough times in my own grow room that I am pretty well convinced of it. All you have to do is germinate and grow 10 plants in close proximity to your grow room full of females. I'll bet you anything that over 70% will turn out male every time.
MJ has a natural ability to be hermaphroditic. So in THEORY, we are all growing potential hermies. In good genetics, this trait is just recessive.
 
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echlectica

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Ok I'll feed him. A Hermaphrodite is an individual, be it plant or animal having functioning reproductive organs of both sexes. In a marijuana plant this means that, to be specific, that to be a "hermie" the plant must have both viable functioning male flowers and viable functioning female flowers. Technically this means that in the case of meeting the above conditions that the plant is a hermaphrodite no matter what the ratio of either sex may be.
That said, a hermaphrodite may be either genetic or be produced through stress, or be prone to hermaphrodism and only display it under certain conditions. Some land race strains are completely hermie; such as, most sativas from South East Asia, and South India.
So if your Hybrid seeds contain genetics from one of those land races in it distant ancestry then a little stress can turn it. Sometimes people seeding f1 hybrids will have hermie phenotypes. In 1999 someone gave me some NYC diesel seeds. All of the mostly female buds produced clusters of viable male flowers about half way through flowering those flowers pollinated what would have been $15,000 worth of meds.
If you get buds that are covered in trichomes but are completely seeded chances are the father was a hermaphrodite.
Jack Herer kicked me down a bag of totally seeded buds once but he told the seeds were good, that it was seeded on purpose. That's the only time in my life bag seed has ever worked out for me. Its a SensiStar + unknown crossits still great and I still have lots of em. no hermies.
 
Jack Harer

Jack Harer

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And you'll notice I never said that our plants ARE hermies, but merely have the built in potential to be that. I also BELIEVE that the hermaphrodite genes are either recessive or dominant, but are never completely removed from the genetic makeup.

As far as determining sex after germination, I believe that it could be true. In order to either prove or disprove it, you would have to have grown out some plants in the immediate proximity of one sex only, which I was in the process of, and will continue to do when I am able to do so again. It's a theory that was posed to me by some very knowledgeable people and I am testing it.

I admire your knowledge and experience, really. But I do not believe for a minute that you are the final word on anything. I am not just some kid who read something somewhere. I am educated (Masters), and I too have been involved in breeding and been among others who do so. Maybe not the stellar names you throw out, but knowledgeable folks nonetheless. We are splitting hairs here defining a word. How thin can we get?
 
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