Is Time An Illusion?

[mindphuk]

If time did not exist, everything in the past, present and future would happen all at once. Time exists in reality otherwise motion and change could not occur. That would be true whether or not there were people around to observe these changes or not. Time is independent of observation.

 

[Finshaggy]

I agree, time is pretty much the measurement of change.

Time = Measurement of change.

But since you can't go back and stop that change the TIME isn't real. It is ONLY a MEASUREMENT.

 

[Hepheastus420]

Age is what causes the illusion of time is what I'm saying. WE believe in time because we FEEL as if we can see it.

We don't feel we can see time. We know it exists because life exists, change exists, anything exists. We go from point A to point B, and in between those points is TIME. Time itself is a word, but times definition exists.

 

[PeyoteReligion]

You don't exist. Your just an illusion to me through the computer screen!

 

[Finshaggy]

These are misconceptions given by people who take to many hallucinatory substances. Time is real look at you watch. Trust me, my name is Peyote and I've had all these "eye opening revolations" about the universe and what not. But trust me when I say keep yourself in reality.

I am within reality. Time is the illusion.

 

[Finshaggy]

If time did not exist, everything in the past, present and future would happen all at once. Time exists in reality otherwise motion and change could not occur. That would be true whether or not there were people around to observe these changes or not. Time is independent of observation.

NOOO if time DID exist and some how we ENTERED it this is what would happen.

 

[mindphuk]

It is not eveidence of time passing. It is evidence that deterioration happens. If a worm eats dirt and shits it out as fertilizer, it didn't just speed up time.

I didn't say it was evidence, I was saying it is what defines time. If we label the idea that things change and call that time occurring, then time is real, we just defined it as such.

 

[cannabineer]

But since you can't go back and stop that change the TIME isn't real. It is ONLY a MEASUREMENT.

The fact of its irreversibility strongly suggests to me that there is something real behind our concept/perception of time. You referred to age earlier ... a concept that has no meaning without time. cn

 

[Finshaggy]

We don't feel we can see time. We know it exists because life exists, change exists, anything exists. We go from point A to point B, and in between those points is TIME. Time itself is a word, but times definition exists.

Ok, but your missing the point. Those things will ALWAYS happen. Because time is NOT REAL. If time WAS REAL, we could stop it.

 

[Hepheastus420]

But since you can't go back and stop that change the TIME isn't real. It is ONLY a MEASUREMENT.

I know, look dude, lol. Time is measuring something, right? Well that something exists, that something is not an illusion. We measure that something using time. Whatever it is time measure must exist otherwise we wouldn't exist.

 

[mindphuk]

NOOO if time DID exist and some how we ENTERED it this is what would happen.

As impossible as it seems, you are making even less sense than your previous posts.

 

[Finshaggy]

I didn't say it was evidence, I was saying it is what defines time. If we label the idea that things change and call that time occurring, then time is real, we just defined it as such.

Ok, just because we have things to define what we call "time" doesn't make it REAL. It means we have a definition. Again, is Santa real?

 

[olylifter420]

i would really like to fast forward time to see what the future is like... That shit would be crazy!

The irreversibility of time is one of the great scientific mysteries imo. cn

 

[PeyoteReligion]

But since you can't go back and stop that change the TIME isn't real. It is ONLY a MEASUREMENT.

So because somthing is unchangeable then its not real? That's not very sound logic. Stephen hawking is stuck in a wheelchair and CANNOT change that, does that mean he's is not real. Use sound logic here and the discussion will go smoother. Also measurement is not real? Don't know what to say to that.

 

[mindphuk]

Shaggy, please watch the videos, they are not long.

 

[Finshaggy]

The fact of its irreversibility strongly suggests to me that there is something real behind our concept/perception of time. You referred to age earlier ... a concept that has no meaning without time. cn

No, time has no meaning without the concept of age. Your confusing my words.

 

[olylifter420]

we are all relative to time

If time did not exist, everything in the past, present and future would happen all at once. Time exists in reality otherwise motion and change could not occur. That would be true whether or not there were people around to observe these changes or not. Time is independent of observation.

 

[Finshaggy]

I know, look dude, lol. Time is measuring something, right? Well that something exists, that something is not an illusion. We measure that something using time. Whatever it is time measure must exist otherwise we wouldn't exist.

We are only measuring the movement of space though. TIME IS NOT REAL. Look at what people think time is online. Scientists think it is A SUBSTANCE. NO IT IS NOT.

 

[Hepheastus420]

This thread made my head explode, thanks guys.

 

[mindphuk]

Ok, just because we have things to define what we call "time" doesn't make it REAL. It means we have a definition. Again, is Santa real?

Yes, the concept of Santa is real. However that's a poor analogy. Santa is not defining a physical process that we can measure.