lst....need help

[joey555]

i was reading this >https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/6834-how-lst-low-stress-training.html
:it was about how to lst for ur plant...BUT the pix where removed or deleted it said. does anyone have pix to show how to do this? i worried my stems will get stronger and be harder to bend.

If anyone can help i'd be very grateful.

my video is here>https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/471055-video-progress-i-hope-lol.html#post6367000

maybe that can show hoe big/small they are and if they r ready.

thanx in advance...........joey

 

[schtrudel]

ok, i've LST'd my plant a bit and it's quite simple...
Once it's big enough ( say 3 nodes ? ) tie a string ( not tight though as the plant grows in diametre too ) around the plant and tie the other end to something like a barbell or something that doesnt move unless you move it yourself. Pull the plant with the barbell as low as you feel safe for it . I bent mine 90 degrees and it's doing fine. You continue to tie strings higher and higher and keep pulling the plant to the grown to achieve the desired shape. You can LST side shoots too. I LST'd a big fan leaf that was covering too much of the lower leaves.
Also check super cropping if you're having height issues.

 

[tokenbrownguy]

Yeah, I took mine at the 4 the node, tied her up, bent her over and attached the other end to the side of the pot. Duct tape and twine work wonders BC one can adjust accordingly. You want to tie the base to the other end of your pot, to stabilize her. Then, you can keep LST until there is zero room.

 

[tokenbrownguy]

Supercropping, and fim are great techniques as well. Somevarevscared to supercrop, but they shouldn't be.

 

[Shadeslay]

Here's a pic of one.

 

[joey555]

THANX GUYS I DON'T KNOW IF MY PLANTS R READY YET THO.

HERE IS SOMETHING I FOUND>

Well here we go, LST (Low Stress Training) the ultimate way to maximize your yield. It is important to start your grow with high potency marijuana seeds genetics, with LST you can even go for tall sativa cannabis seeds strains.
Before we begin lets get some knowledge on what you will be looking at:
Light Brown: Pot Outline
Green thick Lines: Main Stem
Small Thin Lines with Green Balls on top: Fan leafs
Yellow Lines: Side Branches
Red: Tiedown Metal Hooks (or thread whichever item you use, i use Hooks - it's easier)
The Text in the box: First digit is Step No. and Second Digit is Pot Size, below the numbers is the type of view your looking at (either from the SIDE or from the TOP)

STEP 1: Grow your plant from a potent marijuana seeds strain of choice to 3 or 4 leaf sets, some use 5 but i always use 3 because after 3rd leaf set the main stem starts to harden and it will be harder to bend over your plant properly without breaking the main stem.
STEP 2: Using a metal hook (i cut small sections of cloths hanger and bend a U shape at the end as a hook) bend over your plant with metal hook at the last internode (space between the last set of fanleafs and the next to last) and stick the metal hook into your dirt to hold down the stem.
STEP 3: This is really not a step, just waiting time... Take note of how the top of the plant that was bent down will bend back upwards towards the light, this could take anywhere from 3 hours to 1 day. Under my 1000 Watt Metal Halide light it does it in under 3 hours.
STEP 4: Veg and dont tie down until you have a new leaf set. You will notice Side branching has started already because good light is getting to the main stem areas next to each fanleaf stem intersection with the main stem.
STEP 5: Depending on your starting pot size you may have to transplant. If you started out with a large pot, repeat step 2 over and over again holding the main stem down with hooks until you reach the end of the pot. In this illustration to save time and drawings, i started out with a small pot and it reached the end of the pot after the first tiedown. I repotted it into a 10 inch pot which will be my final pot size for this plant in order for me to continue the LST Bends around the inside edge of the pot.
STEP 6: Now that your new leaf set has formed you have enough length in growth since the first bend(s) to allow you to start bending the stem horizontally around the inside edge of the pot. Use metal hooks again to keep this bend in place. Side branches should be coming along very nicely. Sativa cannabis seeds strains grow faster and produce more stems, indica marijuana seeds varieties will grow half as much.
STEP 7: Continue repeating steps 4 and 6, allowing the plant to grow and then keep tieing it down along the inside edge of pot using metal hooks (or whatever your using) Side branches should be forming and growing up towards the light.
STEP 8: Continue to repeat step 7 until you are all the way around the pot... when you reach the point where your plant first met the edge of the plant Top the plant (cut off the very top of the plant) and hold it down horizontally with a metal hook... During all this time of repeating step 7 you should also be tieing down horizontally the new branches that have formed from the main stem as much as possible until you use up as much space as possible inside the pot as well , the outter branches growing over the outside edge of the pot you can hold down as well with string to keep those tops even with the inner branches.
STEP 9: After you have used up all possible space inside the pot (or your eggcrate) its time to just let it flower.. This is a side view of how it will and should look by that time with all the side branches growing upwards towards the light... these will all become Collas unlike a non LST plant will only have one colla.

During flowering and even before due to lack of light on the main stem fan leafs which is all the way to the bottom almost against the soil those fanleafs will die off anyways, i usually cut these off the main stem right after the branch has grown out in that area, keeps things neat down below where you will need good airflow during flowering.. so go ahead and take off any fanleafs coming off the main stem that is going around the inside edge of the pot.
Set your timer to 12/12 and watch it bloom. There is no Step 10 in the picture but we all know what that is HARVEST!!!
Sativa indica hybrids or sativa marijuana seeds strains are suitable for LST as they grow fast and low stress training helps to control their height. Choose a potent, high yielding cannabis seeds variety for LST.

if any of u see my video> https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/471055-video-progress-i-hope-lol.html click that.....and maybe someone could tell me if they r ready. i try not to be real lazy and just ask questions, so i also like to look things up and research 4 myself. thanx guys...... i really appreciate it.............joey

 

[joey555]

Yeah, I took mine at the 4 the node, tied her up, bent her over and attached the other end to the side of the pot. Duct tape and twine work wonders BC one can adjust accordingly. You want to tie the base to the other end of your pot, to stabilize her. Then, you can keep LST until there is zero room.

Thanx guys......

YO BROWN, THATS EXACTLY WHAT I USED (IM STONED, GOT GOOD HASH~BHO)...Duct tape and sewing thread...... BUT.....im embarressed to say it...lol... i was scared i would stress my plants out too much- so i did it for a 1/2hr. IDK how long to really do it for.

@ Strudel, i did bend them nice and easy very close to the soil....leaves were hitting the soil. DO I need to lst the plants longer?

 

[RollMeOne420]

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Here's a pic of one.

HOLY SHIT that is one big ass leaf!

 

[tokenbrownguy]

Thanx guys......

YO BROWN, THATS EXACTLY WHAT I USED (IM STONED, GOT GOOD HASH~BHO)...Duct tape and sewing thread...... BUT.....im embarressed to say it...lol... i was scared i would stress my plants out too much- so i did it for a 1/2hr. IDK how long to really do it for.

@ Strudel, i did bend them nice and easy very close to the soil....leaves were hitting the soil. DO I need to lst the plants longer?

hey, you can keep her that way up until harvest. I'm in first week of flower, and ran out of room to LST, but I would have kept it up otherwise.

 

[tokenbrownguy]

After LST at the 4 node, you may want to LST at every other node from there. Just keep tying and attaching further along your planter. I have well over 30 tops now, and will probably harvest well over what I would have harvested without LST. I accidently topped one branch during LST, and that branch has 3 tops now.

 

[shakti]

hi guys everything seems to be very clear thanks to your posts , but just have a question about flowering.Im in 5 week of veg , switching to flowering nex week, the only training i made to plants was topping and i was amazed by amount of side branches it gave, im thinking about lst but can i do it in flowering stage after for example first week of flower? if i havent done it in a veg? wont the stem be to hard and more prone to breakin it? could you give me any advice on that? im growing potent PPP which is a hybrid...few pictures how are they at thr moment :

 

[joey555]

shakti lants look very good...like i can practically smell that fragrance......im new to it all so i cannot answer the lst for u. but Token brown, SHADES, Strudel might be able to help u. im sorry. i wanna make sure the sex b-4 i put all that work into her....hopefully nest wk. prt 3 of my video will come out & ppl. can tell me what sex the 1 plant is, ill clone the fucker....lol.

good morning btw, take care.........................joey

 

[tokenbrownguy]

Hello, and yes you can still LST. Even if you cannot bend her at 90 degrees, you can still tie her uo p and pull her over to the side. Just be careful, if you have a woody main stem.

 

[shakti]

Hey Joey thank you buddy,actually i have started to watch your videos before ) i think im gonna follow them up yes you have a right sense, just come back home and all the place smells so juicy but soon i will have to do something about it thx Im about to set the journal up, hope they gonnna do well as they did so far

Tokenbrown thanks for the advice, wasnt sure, and yes i have a woody main steam i ve noticed already i have to be careful , thank you

 

[schtrudel]

You don't need to bend it at 90 degrees in the first try ... first string a little bit, wait 3 days to make sure it grew and got used to the weird position then tie another string a node up and bend it again and so on ... you will notice that after about 12 hours max of modifying it's position it will start to bend itself upward tward the lights again ...
If you are gentle, you won't break, also i've read somewhere on this forum( not in the mood to search the topic cause i forgot what was the thread about ) that even in you break the stem ( not break it in 2 pieces lol, but crack it a bit ) you can tie something to keep the plant in place and just ductape the crack to seal it and the plant will miraculously heal ( i;m sure that will take its toll on the final outcome though )
But you it won't come to that if you're not brutal
I hope you manage it and grow tons


@Shakti, your plant is so beautiful, i love it

 

[schtrudel]

Sorry for double posting, but i don't feel that what i'm about to say should go in my last post.
I can't wait till it's done to get a strain that grows high and LST it and make it fit in a 2ft x 1.6ft x 2ft grow space
I want something that grows like 2 metres tall and just tie it, super crop it or even top it ( i don't fell like toping is too good, you get 2 colas but you stress it by cutting - never tried, but i will and then form a real oppinion )

 

[shakti]

Thnak you schtrudel for your advice hmm i guess i ll have to try and not be worried its first time doing lst and growing in general so everything seems to be a bit complicated
I was thinking today about leaving them a bit longer in veg.P Pure Plant is mostly indica hybrid that schould fast flower and stay about 140cm high , my growbox is 2m high so
the space seems to be about rite .Then my plants are 34 days in veg cycle now, and all of them where topped about 13 days ago .What do you think if i top them once again now, and
then let them switch into flower cycle in 2 weeks as that would be the right time to let them heal the wounds after second topping.Then after switching give them additional Lst.
The problem is im not sure if the side branches that appeared after 1st topping about 2 weeks ago are mature enough to top them ? Or maybe if i want to veg for 2 weeks longer , it is better
to do lst instead of 2nd topping and then switch to flower? Im posting few pict of plants from today , so you can tell if my ideas are any real?

 

[shakti]

hmm and there you go...probably my ideas about double topping in a very short period of time might be worth of re-thinking
so you say that Lst might be more effective ? Its a low stress training as a name says so maybe i schould stick to it then?
do you think that doing LST now and giving 2 weeks of rest before flowering seem to be enough for plants? thanks schroudel

 

[shakti]

ive just noticed that 3 of them have shown their sex - all female ;p
hopefully with 2 m high box and mostly indica with longer veg cycle ill be fine
the stems are really hard and woody :/ ill try with more delicate and flexible tops probably, cant be brutal ;p

 

[joey555]

ive just noticed that 3 of them have shown their sex - all female ;p
hopefully with 2 m high box and mostly indica with longer veg cycle ill be fine
the stems are really hard and woody :/ ill try with more delicate and flexible tops probably, cant be brutal ;p

sorry SHAKTI, and all of u selfless ppl. who help.

.....I appreciate ur input....
sorry 4 the delay.....i've been taking care of my mom; she broke her fibia & sevrely sprained her ankle opposite, so she can't walk- ya gotta change her potty and all, then my daughter, and the dog, plus my own responsibilities etc.. so i have been real busy, sorry.

Strudel - RE: topping, u know i heard that before- ur concern about topping, conversly i heard otherwise as well, as this is my 1st grow i'll take it easy. topping does create a lot more foliage therefore lst will allow light to get to the STEM,NODES,AND COLAS etc. anything that would otherwise be covered. u might have a point w/ the topping.....i stress might.

on a side note i also remember reading that lst- when bending them releases harmones thru-out the stalk no? oh and SHAKTI i feel u....i was scared when i lst'ed my 2 plant out of 4 for a 1/2 hr. which wasn't nothing compared to what ppl. really do. BUT the stems on both went right back in place.

@ Token & Strudel......does lst really strengthen the stem that much?



best wishes & happy growing........