Harrekin
Well-Known Member
As usual yeah? Lol.
Loads of rhetoric there...let me guess, you profit from the current situation yeah?
45 days for ALL dispensaries in CA to close
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Loads of rhetoric there...let me guess, you profit from the current situation yeah?
Bad Karma
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I say as usual because of your consistent trolling of the LED threads were you add exactly nothing to the conversation (except maybe a headache).
As for profitting off the current situation, can't say that I do (although my bank account wishes I did).
How is it rhetoric to repeat actual, proven facts?
From Dictionary.com:
rhet·o·ric [ret-er-ik] noun
1. (in writing or speech) the undue use of exaggeration or display; bombast.
2. the art or science of all specialized literary uses of language in prose or verse, including the figures of speech.
3. the study of the effective use of language.
4. the ability to use language effectively.
5. the art of prose in general as opposed to verse.
Now this isn't easy for me to say, so I'll let Inigo say it for me.
[video=youtube;G2y8Sx4B2Sk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk[/video]
Harrekin
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I know what rhetoric is dude, Prop 19 would've let everyone smoke, the only people who opposed it were the MMJ profiteers and the people they misled into thinking it would effect the MMJ programme.
Now you have nothing...guess your facts are just a pack of biased theoretical shit.
And for the LED threads comment, guess you ain't been around in a while but needless to say you're wrong there too.
So maybe you should check your facts and stop being so arrogant, you's shot yourselves in the foot voting no to Prop 19 (again public opinion, MMJ users are a very small percent of all smokers in Cali,with recreational smokers included the Feds would have to shy back from public opinion) and were living in dream land thinking the current MMJ situation would last forever.
So what's Plan B now? Another legalisation bill that all the dealers and growers profiting can vote against? Guess its time to use the Second Amendment for the purpose it was written, to stop the marauding Feds...oh yeah, the Second Amendment is bullshit too,it IS just an excuse to have guns... its a hilarious situation over there to be honest, your country as it's run now just doesn't work. Yous think you have all this freedom until the Feds come along.
Start using a bit of logic and reasoning, Prop 19 could've saved you's and possibly been the first stepping stone for freedom to use Cannabis not only in the US but the rest of the world... but the gung ho "we know what we're doing" took over as usual and your Government took advantage to push their own agenda and now noone has legal weed.
Congratulations, you clearly won in that scenario
Now you have nothing...guess your facts are just a pack of biased theoretical shit.
And for the LED threads comment, guess you ain't been around in a while but needless to say you're wrong there too.
So maybe you should check your facts and stop being so arrogant, you's shot yourselves in the foot voting no to Prop 19 (again public opinion, MMJ users are a very small percent of all smokers in Cali,with recreational smokers included the Feds would have to shy back from public opinion) and were living in dream land thinking the current MMJ situation would last forever.
So what's Plan B now? Another legalisation bill that all the dealers and growers profiting can vote against? Guess its time to use the Second Amendment for the purpose it was written, to stop the marauding Feds...oh yeah, the Second Amendment is bullshit too,it IS just an excuse to have guns... its a hilarious situation over there to be honest, your country as it's run now just doesn't work. Yous think you have all this freedom until the Feds come along.
Start using a bit of logic and reasoning, Prop 19 could've saved you's and possibly been the first stepping stone for freedom to use Cannabis not only in the US but the rest of the world... but the gung ho "we know what we're doing" took over as usual and your Government took advantage to push their own agenda and now noone has legal weed.
Congratulations, you clearly won in that scenario
Bad Karma
Well-Known Member
Wow, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about (again).
Where do you live?
I live in the Capital of the state in question, but you know better.
I've voted on these laws, but you know better.
I help cover media and news on these events, but you know better
I'm a patient directly affected by these events, but you know better.
As for you trying to be sarcastic, it only works when your actually right.
See, you have to be smart to be a smart-ass.
Where do you live?
I live in the Capital of the state in question, but you know better.
I've voted on these laws, but you know better.
I help cover media and news on these events, but you know better
I'm a patient directly affected by these events, but you know better.
As for you trying to be sarcastic, it only works when your actually right.
See, you have to be smart to be a smart-ass.
I know what rhetoric is dude, Prop 19 would've let everyone smoke, the only people who opposed it were the MMJ profiteers and the people they misled into thinking it would effect the MMJ programme.
Now you have nothing...guess your facts are just a pack of biased theoretical shit.
And for the LED threads comment, guess you ain't been around in a while but needless to say you're wrong there too.
So maybe you should check your facts and stop being so arrogant, you's shot yourselves in the foot voting no to Prop 19 (again public opinion, MMJ users are a very small percent of all smokers in Cali,with recreational smokers included the Feds would have to shy back from public opinion) and were living in dream land thinking the current MMJ situation would last forever.
So what's Plan B now? Another legalisation bill that all the dealers and growers profiting can vote against? Guess its time to use the Second Amendment for the purpose it was written, to stop the marauding Feds...oh yeah, the Second Amendment is bullshit too,it IS just an excuse to have guns... its a hilarious situation over there to be honest, your country as it's run now just doesn't work. Yous think you have all this freedom until the Feds come along.
Start using a bit of logic and reasoning, Prop 19 could've saved you's and possibly been the first stepping stone for freedom to use Cannabis not only in the US but the rest of the world... but the gung ho "we know what we're doing" took over as usual and your Government took advantage to push their own agenda and now noone has legal weed.
Congratulations, you clearly won in that scenario
Harrekin
Well-Known Member
No actual rebuttal, just bullshit as usual...whats to be expected from yourself I suppose.
canndo
Well-Known Member
The proposed law was poorly written and would have gotten us the same poor law as our current med marijuana laws. We have waited this long to go after full legalization so we can wait a bit longer for the right law. 19 would (intentionaly or otherwise) hinder the smaller gardener and open the door to monopolization of the industry on a higher level. We will have another chance in 2012 and in all likelyhood something positive will happen. So far as shielding us from the Fed, that law and any subsequent law will not hinder the feds no matter the national public sentiment. The only things that will stop the Feds are a pro legal presdent (not likely) or some positive results from SCOTUS (we will see). About the only good thing 19 would have done is to prompt test cases so that we could probe SCOTUS. Funny thing about our current conservative makeup of the court - they firmly believe in States Rights - until they don't.
Bad Karma
Well-Known Member
I know it has to be hard for you to talk with both feet in your mouth, but even you can do better then that.
So where is it again that you live, that you know so much about these laws that you can preach from up on high?
Is it California, or any medicinal US state for that matter?
kbo ca
Active Member
everybody does grow it and smoke it here, doesn't make a damn bit of difference, they still fill up those jail cells. I think you're a little confused with whats going on here
RawBudzski
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California Is the Shit. & in 45days ...My local Dispensaries will be open. <3
If you do not live in california, you have no idea. WooHoo !@!
Everyone grows in Cali, LEO do not care or pay attention to grows that are on ones personal property not bothering others. It is when neighbors complain, or an ex gf calls the cops & blows it out of proportion. If you are not some warehouse illegal grow OP. The FEDS DO NOT GET INVOLVED. the FEDS are only interested in thoes evading tens of thousands in tax dollars.. NOT some home grow w/ 20 plants.
If you do not live in california, you have no idea. WooHoo !@!
Everyone grows in Cali, LEO do not care or pay attention to grows that are on ones personal property not bothering others. It is when neighbors complain, or an ex gf calls the cops & blows it out of proportion. If you are not some warehouse illegal grow OP. The FEDS DO NOT GET INVOLVED. the FEDS are only interested in thoes evading tens of thousands in tax dollars.. NOT some home grow w/ 20 plants.
Bad Karma
Well-Known Member
I hope you're right, but I've already had one local club shut down in fear of all this.
I just hope there isn't a domino effect of this type of behavior over the next few weeks as the time draws nearer.
I still think the fact that it's now illegal for patients to own firearms is rather suspect.
What's next to go, our right to vote?
Will we be made into criminals living under our own house arrest?
RawBudzski
Well-Known Member
Well, that is all a grey zone.. Who is actually being busted for owning a gun + mj. ? . When if/it happens, LAWYER AFTER LAWYER should stand up TO FIGHT IT.. Because so many growers owned guns legally before getting the med card. No way it would fly in court under the 2nd amendment.. It is not a Complete Law as of right now. Hopefully time + a few bs court cases will throw it out.
Here in Socal, a friend of mine is an ARMED Security guard for a local dispense. He owns & uses his Personal gun. He also is required to own a Medical Mj Card to enter all the rooms of the Facility.. How could he have a JOB if the two conflicted?
Could one of you Please post the Penal code that says a card holder can not posses firearms. I did not know this. Thanks. If one is not a felon how can one be deprived of the right to own a firearm ?
Bad Karma
Well-Known Member
Done and done.But I dont know anything so dont listen to me
Bad Karma
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Here's an excerpt from an article in the Denver Post:
(What has forged this quirky convergence of advocacy — tokers, meet shooters — is a September letter from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives saying it is illegal for medical-marijuana patients to own firearms.
Everybody who buys a gun must fill out ATF Form 4473, which asks: "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?"
Answer yes, and you don't get the gun. Falsely answer no, and you've just committed a crime.)
Link to full article, http://www.denverpost.com/news/marijuana/ci_19026921
Harrekin
Well-Known Member
So I was correct, mustve been a fluke
Bad Karma
Well-Known Member
Where did you see that?
Samwell Seed Well
Well-Known Member
it is a clear and ugly abuse of civil liberties
and the right to medicate with what works and in this case what is good fro you as well
its a victimless crime to smoke pot
overgrow the government
to bad all the pussies in cali are just gonna cave
and the right to medicate with what works and in this case what is good fro you as well
its a victimless crime to smoke pot
overgrow the government
to bad all the pussies in cali are just gonna cave
Bad Karma
Well-Known Member
Now the Feds are also going after any media outlets that have accepted funds to advertise medicinal marijuana.
source: http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2011/10/feds_to_go_after_newspapers_radio_for_medical_mari.php
source: http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2011/10/feds_to_go_after_newspapers_radio_for_medical_mari.php