45 days for ALL dispensaries in CA to close

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WestSide Ukiah

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Bad Karma said:
The more investigating around town that I do on my own, the more something is becoming clear, the State asked the Fed to to this.
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Yeah, No doubt. I was reading about a bunch of dispensaries in San Diego (getting sued by the city) just happened to be served notice by the feds too. I don't think it's a coincidence. What is the Governor's stand on the issue? If he wants the dispensaries shut down he should grow a pair and do it himself. If not, he needs to step up for our States' Rights.

President Obama is a Constitutional lawyer; I would like to hear which enumerated power gives the feds the right to step in. I'm not trying to be a smart-ass... I really don't know. I've read Article 1 section 8 and it ain't jumping out at me. I guess the State could always request help, but shouldn't that be through a public declaration vs a hush-hush phone call?
 
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WestSide Ukiah

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Kottonmouth king15 said:
this is gettin crazy! im an hr away from ukiah,just heard about the bust by feds there yesterday from a friend.
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Crazy times indeed.

Here is the story on the Northstone raid: http://www.ukiahdailyjournal.com/ci_19111535?source=most_viewed
(not sure if that link will continue to work)

Here's the gist of the article:

The agents arrived at 6 a.m., handcuffed Cohen and his wife and stayed until about 2 p.m., taking 99 marijuana plants, computers and testing equipment, according to Cohen. He said the agents threatened to file federal charges against him, but made no arrests during the raid.
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"If we're not legal, nobody's legal," Cohen said, echoing the words of Mendocino County 2nd District Supervisor John McCowen.
McCowen appeared last month in Sonoma County Superior Court to testify on behalf of two Northstone employees arrested earlier this year while reportedly driving marijuana to cooperative members outside Mendocino County.
Cohen said he didn't know if the raid had anything to do with the ongoing court case, which is still in the preliminary hearing phase.
Cohen noted the "insane irony" of the situation, adding, "We actually are a legitimate not-for-profit corporation ... we worked with the county to get where we are, and there are illegal growers all around us. We fell under what the U.S. Justice Department said was the threshold for prosecution (1,000 plants)."
The cooperative grows the plants it distributes to members, rather than getting the plants from area growers, according to Cohen -- one of the only, if not the only cooperative in the state to do so "like is intended in the spirit of the law."
Northstone was also operating under the state Attorney General's guidelines for cooperatives, he said, and had the county sheriff in three times a year to inspect for compliance.
What does the Thursday raid at Northstone tell local growers, then?
"Go back underground, I guess; make our community a less safe place to be," Cohen said.
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Da Almighty Jew

Da Almighty Jew

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I think that obama, house of representatives and all these old school thinkers need to GTFO. I dont think things will change dramatically untill the 70's and 80's babys are in office.
 
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spandy

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They are now busting 100% legal gardens in Oregon as well, no reason just taking them down. Just posted a story in medical news.
 
Kottonmouth king15

Kottonmouth king15

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well,i just read a statement made in another thread,"there is no such thing as legal marijuana under federal law." theres reason so to say,its not legal under federal law.we just dont agree with it.but it leaves me wondering why&how the state can make a "law",that when comes down to it isnt a law at all if the feds dont recognize it.i mean really.
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

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We have San Jose city council effing it all up, thats local prohibition, probably because they want more $. Fewer dispensaries are easier to squeeze than 100s of small ones. SJ city council wants to tax everything from dispensaries so they have to make it all "in house". The grow, cooking, extracts, everything that
will be sold has to be in house regulated/taxed. That creates these warehouses, the ones that the Fed told Oakland and Berkeley city council to not do. We'll see how that goes but for now no meds, thats pretty effed up city council, you're fucking over sick people while you try to figure out what to do. :wall:

We have big dispensaries paying off city council to close, or not allow, the little dispensaries. We have LA city council suing these 16 dispensaries that are too close to schools or whatever. Instead of waiting for the legal process, city council snitched up to the fed, and thats how these LA letters came to be. Can't really pin it on Obama this time, altho he's a hypocrite for not giving the issue more press. He smokes ganja, wtf. But obama has bigger concerns than medical marijuana right now, he's trying to get re-elected, I mean seriously, he is a politician yall. If you drank his kool-aid then blame yourself for believing in his propaganda campaign. "hope and change" just like every other politician before him. :rolleyes:

If you think about dispensaries in CA, and that there are hundreds, it makes sense that a few are effing up. I would go on a limb here and say 10%+ either: move pounds out of state, have cooked books, or are in violation of some local ordinance. I mean, not to be that guy, but life-time black market growers/dealers are opening store fronts in the medical marijuana industry, its only natural for some funny business. ;)
 
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spandy

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I bet my life over half are cooking the books in some way some how.

I'd bet a lot of money that 65% cooks the books some way some how.

75%.....uh, maybe pushing it. I hope there are atleast that many honest people left.
 
323cheezy

323cheezy

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Its a joke bro ...lol
the whole thing from the doctors to the wharehouses fulll of plants...
Claiming there non profit...

But theyre are some who definately have lowered there caps and will buy meds from patients ....
I really think a couple i know are really trying... basically they all follow suite in a monkey see monkey do enviroment....
Im happy with the state of affairs kinda... but lets not get it twisted its a bissiness...(not non profit or does it folllow the compassion act in 1996 sb 420)

For these reasons the patients are being marginalized . and the profiteers can ruin it all for us ...
If they dont become more transparent about there earnings.
if the issues are not all accomplished: Corrupt politicians and corrupt corporations will get a highly restrictive cannabis bill passed via a rigged election that will bureaucratize and corporatize cannabis leaving you and me with expensive packs of radiated and genetically modified death weed or sprays and pills that have no long-term data whatsoever and could turn out to be very harmful to humans... And, in a worst case scenario, as is the case now, we risk substantially reduced access for a long period of time until the feds are happy that there isn't any profiteering and substantial abuse via subverted medical marijuana laws first....

Accomplishing anything less is not safe and affordable access and a complete waste of time.
 
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bob harris

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Bad Karma said:
The more investigating around town that I do on my own, the more something is becoming clear, the State asked the Fed to to this.
I not bullshiting, despite moratoriums and crackdowns, the State can no longer control the growth (ha-ha) of the Medicinal industry, specifically dispensaries.
Here in Sacramento they passed a moratorium on opening new clubs a couple of years ago, despite that, dozens of clubs have opened their doors since then.
Sacramento simply had no other way to enforce their own codes, so the Feds were asked to come in, or at least look like they were going to.
Because despite not fearing the local authorities powers, everybody still fears the Federal "put you in ass rape prison" Government.

So to simplify, what we're seeing play out is this:

Mother - Clean your room
Child - I'm not going to clean my room
Mother - Clean your room
Child - No
Mother - Clean your room or else
Child - No
Mother - Okay, but just wait till your Father gets home
Child - I'm going to clean my room now
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And if the child had cleaned the room when the mother asked the first time..Dad would have never been mentioned....
 
FootClan

FootClan

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323cheezy said:
The average non profit worker makes an average of 50k a year ....
This has nothing to do with the small time growers ...or those who seek to make an honest living.
If you read the compasion act , than you will understand why this is happening.
The profiteers are taking advantage of the law and may ruin it for us all....

I can pretty much guarantee that some "dispensaries", the dispensaries that have corrupted medical marijuana badly with contaminated meds, keifed meds, profiteering, and illegal diversion to recreational users, are pulling 5k down on a slow day. Some places see hundreds of "patients" in one day, some places see hundreds of "patients" everyday!

Where is the money going? The money is going to the pofiteers and the corrupt attorneys who work with corrupt politicians and corrupt law enforcement to keep corrupt dispensaries open -- the same people who close down legitimate dispensaries...to keep the corrupt dispensaries open!

There only reasons obama has to act are; profiteering despite the ag's guidelines, continued *open* and illegal diversion to recreational users, and continued corrupt government who have an agenda to depopulate the planet to their benefit and sadistic satisfaction. The pharmaceutical companies are simply a branch of their insidious plan to depopulate the planet. It's kind of like the protesters protesting Wall Street, they need to protest the White House and the federal reserve, not Wall Street. We need to protest the false statement about marijuana in the CUA and we need to assert the DQA to get Prop 215 and hemp bills enforced.

On the bright side, the profiteers and corrupt government left and are leaving a long trail of corruption that will reveal how clearly medical marijuana has been infiltrated and subverted for profit. This nightmare is just about over!
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everyones gotta make a profit in this world thats how we all feed our families........ You want them to be non-profit but then you want them o test the cannibas?? do you know how much that costs?? i work at a ca dispenasy and we cant afford to spend 100 bucks on every strain that walks in the door...and still pay all the bills and the over head cost of keeping a dispensary open...... everyones gotta make a profit just like churchs.....you would think that churches would be non profit but thats not true churchs are all about expassion and money....Back when they seperated church from state that instantly ment that now churches would have to make a profit and expand to stay alive and running..... why do you think they have people going door to door its not to "save" you its to get your money....
 
323cheezy

323cheezy

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I know I am not going to get any support from you on this, yet. We haven't fully explored my argument and you haven't shed your ego and taken an objective look at Prop 215.

You make a good point

I think that you just don't quite grasp the concept of Prop 215, it takes a thorough separation from ego to look at it objectively. I struggled with just saying "fuck it" and profiteering too.

A Californian should be able to walk into a facility and get ample meds, with a surplus, at an affordable price, we're talkin' sub $1,000.00 pounds, not $8,970.00 pounds that you have to trek back and forth 128 times to get cuz "that's how it works."

It's a simple task to accomplish. Rent a warehouse. Notify all levels of government of the facility. Get in writing from all levels of government that the collective will not be interfered with. Then open up shop. In an inexpensive warehouse, it is very inexpensive to collectively grow medical marijuana and simply share in the cost of the facility instead of cow-towing to prima donna fascists who put greed before community. If the feds and state and county and city don't acknowledge with an affirmative reply, take them to court before opening up. ...why put them in the position to prosecute instead, that's dumb.

I am all for making a buck. However, we need a commercial and recreational law to accomplish that.

It's not magic. Once we get true non-profit collectives and co-ops going, the community will be more accepting of the Commercial and Recreational Use Act of 2012.

So, your work lies in getting a commercial and recreational law elected, signed, and enforced. And if you want, while you are busy doing that, you can stop by the collective and show the seriously ill how to get relief through growing medicinal marijuana.

Many have lost the true meaning of Prop 215 in their puddle of greed. So weak, so pathetic, so counter-productive.

Medical Marijuana moves forward, profiteering is taking a few steps back. Don't delay in asserting your voice to create rights to recreate and profiteer. Marginalizing the seriously ill is about to come to abrupt end here in California.

...profiteering under Prop 215 is seriously fucked, nearly all seriously ill people are financially wrecked. And, the net effect of profiteering is: The people who the law was written for do not get to benefit from it. Some of uz need to spanked You need a nudge. You're almost there homey, I can feel it. ...you get it but just don't know how to do it without being ostracized from the community. ...corrrect? You know you want to see the seriously ill happy and content while a recreational, commercial law finally gets passed because the people saw marijuana could be consumed responsibly and with purpose!
 
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