Worm castings and bat guano!?!?!

[hazemaster]

WORM CASTINGS- Alright so the other day i went out to my local HP and found some worm castings. The only kind of worm castings they had was this liquid form that comes in a big soda bottle. The question i had about this was whats the best form of using this type if castings. Is it better to use this to start seeds out. If so how do i use this, do i just treat it as if i was just waterin the plants instead of water just worm castings until its about 4 weeks old? If somone could explain the best way and when to use these castings it would be appreciated.

BAT GUANO- Alright so i order 10 pounds of bat shit the other day and once again im not familiar with using this type of organic substance. The first question i had was whats the best way to use this shit? ---mixing it into the soil throughout the whole grow?------- Use just went flowering by just surface feeding it and then just watering over it?------ mixing it into the soil just for flowering---- Ect..... I think you guys get the point. Im just looking for some advice which would be benifit me the most... because i spent mad loot on this. Thanks help would be appreciated!!

 

[bozley2g]

Start using worm castings after about 2 or 3 weeks not every watering about every other just do what the bottle says. The bat gauno is for flowering .....Teas are the shit, just grab some pantyhose put all the bat shit you think you need for the job...maybe some molasses in the water to feed microrganisms bout 3-4 tsp per gal let it set overnight stiring every once in a while...makes for some good shit

 

[gangjababy]

they have granular worm castings and bags of fine worm castings at walmart. They always have the granular castings and sometimes the bags. The soda bottle is a ripoff IMO. But make sure to add gardening or dolomite lime to the mix at a rate of 1 tablespoon per gallon of soil mix this has calcium and magnesium which are the 2 most common deficiencies but you prob already knew that...

 

[hazemaster]

they have granular worm castings and bags of fine worm castings at walmart. They always have the granular castings and sometimes the bags. The soda bottle is a ripoff IMO. But make sure to add gardening or dolomite lime to the mix at a rate of 1 tablespoon per gallon of soil mix this has calcium and magnesium which are the 2 most common deficiencies but you prob already knew that...

what kins of casting do i have and i thought it could burn the plant...?

 

[KindBud420]

it doesnt matter how much you use!!!
Worm casting (worm shit) and Bat Guano (bat shit) are totally organic.
its good to use both of them together. So you dont have to worry about it burning your plants

 

[re510]

I use seabird guano for vegg and i dissolve it in water (because its solid) and then add to my water/tea mix. For flowering i use the Indonesian bat guano which is a powder and i simply sprinkle it over the soil every ten days and water as needed.

Is your guano powdery or a solid pellet?

 

[Enigma]

Take your soil and put it in a mixing bucket (5 gal maybe).

Add recommended concentrations of both and mix thoroughly.

Add your nutrients at full strength and mix some more.

Then add some water to make it muddy.

Let dry until it is just moist (mix and stir).

Add soil to pots and plant!!!

This is how I've done every soil op. No burns, fast growth.. but I also use pre-mixed soils and just add nutrients.

Hope this helps!

Enigma

 

[GrimReefa]

hmmm intresting, so if the nutes used are organics, is hard to over fert, im gonna pick up some worm castings, ill leave the bat shit till i strat to flower

 

[Enigma]

hmmm intresting, so if the nutes used are organics, is hard to over fert, im gonna pick up some worm castings, ill leave the bat shit till i strat to flower

Well, I've never used chemical nutes before.. Organic all the way.

This is the soil I use:

Roots Organics
Coco fiber, peat moss, perlite, pumice, compost, mulch, worm castings, bat guano, kelp meal, fish bone meal, soybean meal, feather meal, greensand, leonardite, and alfalfa meal.

 

[GrimReefa]

so i have biogrow and bibloom there 100% organic this mean ima cant over fert?

 

[Enigma]

so i have biogrow and bibloom there 100% organic this mean ima cant over fert?

Yes you can. It is easier to do with chemical feeds than organic feeds.

For example:

Chemical feeds can look like this 20-15-10 (N-P-K)
Organic feeds can look like this 4-5-2 (N-P-K)

Too much is simply too much. Always start with 1/4 strength and move up slowly. Some will burn with full strength, some will love it.

 

[hazemaster]

that sounds like a good idea. I have manure and compost and peat moss, so ill just mix that all together with the castings and bat guano. My guana is rabbit pellets almost.... thats what it look like atleast.

 

[Willy Nilly]

No it doeasn't mean you can't over fertilize. Nor does using 'Organic' items such as bat guano or worm castings mean that you can't make your soil to hot for the root system of your plants. If i were you I'd get next to some one who knew what the hell they were talkin about.
Personally I'd rather err on the side of caution... you can always add more nutes... but once you go too far its hell getting back to normal.
Start small take baby steps and monitor the things you do with a pad and not with your brain. Pencil and paper last longer than the strongest memories. Good luck.

 

[hazemaster]

sounds like a good solution to me. Question for you...... you kno anything about makin a bone/blood meal tea

 

[Willy Nilly]

do a search... I haven't used any teas yet. Sorry I couldn't tell you more.

 

[organick]

Very cool advise thorough out. Bat Guano is the hub of my Veg and Flower stages (high N, highP respectively).
Only thing I would add: Soil Microbes have done wonders for me they "eat" extra ORGANIC fertilizer so (unscientificly) I think you can up the nutes (only a couple years of observation on this one). Here again Google.
Lime (i like the less prossesed, but hydrated is cool to) sugar needs mag. and cal. to form in the soil, also my soil is Hopping with bio-activity this can lead to acidic conditions. Lime helps this. Lime Rule #1: Use Spareingly, #2 See rule #1 before making any more rules.

 

[organick]

Sugar forms in the plant, opps, the soil (herds) need cal. and mag.

Shout out to all roll it up Organic Posters and Threders. Much Thanks for the Entertainment and knowledge.

 

[Enigma]

sounds like a good solution to me. Question for you...... you kno anything about makin a bone/blood meal tea

Use room temp. water (Let water stand in an open container for at least 12 hrs to let the chlorine evaporate, if using tap water or chlorine laiden water).

Place anything you want to make a tea out of in a sealable container and let sit for a few days (a good place to put this is the closet). Some have let the teas set for weeks.. but a good 48-72 hours should do the trick.

Strain out as much of the partical matter as you can.

Apply gradually.. 1/4 strength and then move up.



Enigma

 

[hazemaster]

Thanks a lot egnima...... helps appreciated

Use room temp. water (Let water stand in an open container for at least 12 hrs to let the chlorine evaporate, if using tap water or chlorine laiden water).

Place anything you want to make a tea out of in a sealable container and let sit for a few days (a good place to put this is the closet). Some have let the teas set for weeks.. but a good 48-72 hours should do the trick.

Strain out as much of the partical matter as you can.

Apply gradually.. 1/4 strength and then move up.



Enigma

 

[Enigma]

Anytime bra!