I guess they just can't make up their minds (LOL)........ Well, mine were in their 10th week and no where near being done. Maybe if you are growing clones of an early pheno- and you keep them short and flower early, you'll be ok around 8 weeks. I've read people finishing earlier in hydro too. But 6 weeks- that's a laugher!!
Endless Sky
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researchkitty
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If mine take longer than 50 days, I'll ask Greenthumb to ship me (at his $$$) a pack of a different strain. Easy fix, thats for sure. He stood by some immature Iranian G13 seeds about 2 years-ish ago (in the grow journal on one page somewhere lol) and replaced them with a better bag of them. I'd probably ask for a different strain, instead. However, I hope *not* to have to do this. 
eyeball696
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I guess it all depends on the pheno you pick or the conditions you grow it in.
All I grow is endless sky. Recently I ordered the regular seeds to maybe pick a better pheno and have males too for cross pollinating.
And the high is awesome to say the least.
All I grow is endless sky. Recently I ordered the regular seeds to maybe pick a better pheno and have males too for cross pollinating.
And the high is awesome to say the least.
researchkitty
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Can we see some pictures of yours flowering?
What day # do you find harvesting at for yours? I've got 6 mommies for ES (one flowering, so minus one now) so a mild selection of phenos to choose from but we'll see.......... I took some pictures to day while at the farm, once she gets home later I'll get em uploaded...... Some at day 10 some at day 20 some at day 35-ish..........eyeball696
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Its all I grow, and their is nothing airy about these either....
eyeball696
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This pheno gives me rougly 5 ounces when flowered at 12-16 inches
researchkitty
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Mine are day 45 right now, it looks like they have a while to go before they look like yours in the pictures. Yours are much fatter and more mature. How many days do you flower before you chop?
eyeball696
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Hey thanks for the compliment. I flower for 2 calendar months. Anything more seems to be a waste of time. I have tried 10-11 weeks just too see if there was a difference but I didn't see any. I keep my room temps around 75 degrees all the time. Seems to boost my trichome production let alone the yield. But my biggest secret to my higher than normal yields is that I take small clones. As soon as they root and I transplant in dirt cups and cut out the top. I do this when there small Becuase when they reach 12-16 inches it's a bush not a single stalked plant. This gives me almost double vs growing single stalked plants.
researchkitty
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Thanks eye! 60 days I can see mine being done in, for sure. I'm thinking more like day 54-56 as they look right now. Temps are around 75 as well, and 12 under a 1000w lamp
Could you describe your topping process after you transplant them a little more please? I was told you couldnt top clones, but I've never tried since we've been a seed grower up until recent.......
eyeball696
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I take clones 4-5 inches. Once they root I put them in plastic cups. After 1 week I take small trimming scissors and very carefully cut out the top. It's very important that you do this in a precise time. Endless Sky veg's fast and of course flowers fast too. But once your plants reach 12-16 or even bigger heights. You will have anywhere from 3 to sometimes 5 nice tops.
researchkitty
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There's day 43 of Endless Sky for me............... How's she comin ya think?
eyeball696
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That looks great! Is that in dirt or hydro?
One thing I would add is that I would leave all the deficient looking leaves on the plant instead of pruning Becuase it increases the chance for bud mold.
One thing I would add is that I would leave all the deficient looking leaves on the plant instead of pruning Becuase it increases the chance for bud mold.
researchkitty
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Thanks........ All Hydro! I generally dont trim anything off the plant unless its ready to or has fallen off.............
researchkitty
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So how to clear them?
Well, I'm battling them myself right now too although it's limited to a few plants. I use 2 things: Azamax and Dr. Doom Pyrethium Bombs. The bombs are great, especially since they are renendered harmless in just a few hours. I highly recommend them. Azamax is a highly refined neem oil- great for veg time, bad in flowering. I also ordered "Mighty Water", which is frequency water. It has a frequency blasted thru the water and when it comes in contact with mites or their eggs, they are destroyed. I've read excellent reports from numerous growers on this new item. A gallon delivered cost me around $48. It will be here tomorrow. And since it's 99% water, it can be used until the day of harvest and won't hurt buds as long as they are thoroughly dried afterwards. I'll post my results.........
researchkitty
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I like this idea:
-- Spraying mites with neem/pyrethium - Blitzkrieg --
Take advantage of your light cycles. While your lights are on, they won't move... at all. They hate ultra violet light as it dehydrates them, they get a sort of heat stroke and die. So they will be out and about when your light is off. I like to wait until a few hours before my light goes on, as it's for sure that any mites that want to get around my plants. That's when I get them.
Nothing gets rid of mites like a good downpoor. They drown, get knocked off, and generally hold on for their dear lives. During my dark cycle, I'll spray all over the plants, and I mean really really spray. Dripping wet. Then I'll get underneith the leaves, where they live and hide, and spray the hell out of them. I do this with a progressive neem oil mix - two caps of oil and 2 squirts of soap in my spray bottle - the next spray cycle 3 caps, the next spray 4 caps, etc. The reason behind this is because mites build up a tolerance to neem quickly, and more will be needed each mixture to get those persistant mites. The reason why you want your plants dripping wet is because neem and pyrethium have a low residual action - it only kills what it comes in contact with.
The idea behind adding soap to your neem oil mixture is that the soap will create a film, such that it will choke off the tiny throats that the mites breathe through. As well, it allows neem oil to disperse through your water mixture (soap bonds with oil). The plant is not effected by the poison (be it neem or pyrethium), but rather by the soapy film. If you put too much on, it will kill plants. Why? This film does not allow the chloroplasts- the cells that do the work in the leaf - to exchange necessary gasses. So after about a half hour of application, wash that shit off your plants! Besides, any power the neem or pyrethium will have will do it in the first half hour - they have a low residual action, they will only kill what they come in contact with. So after you spray your solution on your plants, make sure to wash them off about a half hour later. Really really spray, once again, like a rain storm, possibly multiple times.
Spraying frequency is a big issue and needs exact timing. Over spraying your plants with neem oil will cause the mites to build up a tolerance, underspraying will allow the mites to re-lay their eggs, continuing their growth cycle. The idea is to time your spraying with the mites' hatching cycle - every 5 to 7 days. That first application will kill off those first round of mites, but the eggs will still be around to hatch 5-7 days later. So, be persistant in killing off the next generation, apply your neem/pyrethium every 5 to 7 days! Any more than that is a waste in my mind, and further builds the mite's tolerance.
-- Spraying mites with neem/pyrethium - Blitzkrieg --
Take advantage of your light cycles. While your lights are on, they won't move... at all. They hate ultra violet light as it dehydrates them, they get a sort of heat stroke and die. So they will be out and about when your light is off. I like to wait until a few hours before my light goes on, as it's for sure that any mites that want to get around my plants. That's when I get them.
Nothing gets rid of mites like a good downpoor. They drown, get knocked off, and generally hold on for their dear lives. During my dark cycle, I'll spray all over the plants, and I mean really really spray. Dripping wet. Then I'll get underneith the leaves, where they live and hide, and spray the hell out of them. I do this with a progressive neem oil mix - two caps of oil and 2 squirts of soap in my spray bottle - the next spray cycle 3 caps, the next spray 4 caps, etc. The reason behind this is because mites build up a tolerance to neem quickly, and more will be needed each mixture to get those persistant mites. The reason why you want your plants dripping wet is because neem and pyrethium have a low residual action - it only kills what it comes in contact with.
The idea behind adding soap to your neem oil mixture is that the soap will create a film, such that it will choke off the tiny throats that the mites breathe through. As well, it allows neem oil to disperse through your water mixture (soap bonds with oil). The plant is not effected by the poison (be it neem or pyrethium), but rather by the soapy film. If you put too much on, it will kill plants. Why? This film does not allow the chloroplasts- the cells that do the work in the leaf - to exchange necessary gasses. So after about a half hour of application, wash that shit off your plants! Besides, any power the neem or pyrethium will have will do it in the first half hour - they have a low residual action, they will only kill what they come in contact with. So after you spray your solution on your plants, make sure to wash them off about a half hour later. Really really spray, once again, like a rain storm, possibly multiple times.
Spraying frequency is a big issue and needs exact timing. Over spraying your plants with neem oil will cause the mites to build up a tolerance, underspraying will allow the mites to re-lay their eggs, continuing their growth cycle. The idea is to time your spraying with the mites' hatching cycle - every 5 to 7 days. That first application will kill off those first round of mites, but the eggs will still be around to hatch 5-7 days later. So, be persistant in killing off the next generation, apply your neem/pyrethium every 5 to 7 days! Any more than that is a waste in my mind, and further builds the mite's tolerance.
It's the eggs that are hard to kill, not necessarily the mites themselves. In flowering, which we both are at, I seal the room off and place a bomb up high at the beginning of the dark cycle. 12 hours later, I exhaust out the air and it generally kills all bugs, mites, eggs, gnats, etc. in one application. The frequency water can be used at any time and applied every 2 weeks, although some apply every 3 days. One or two applications is all that's needed. Neem/Azamax leaves a taste and they DO build up a resistance to it all. I hate neem, I love Azamax- Less smell and more concentrated with the active ingredients. How those E.S. coming along?
Lastly, yes the mites hate moisture and humidity as they absorb moisture and can explode from the osmosis of moisture entering their bodies........ and I actively pinch off the leaves that are loaded with eggs. Smaller yield, but it helps control the population.
Lastly, yes the mites hate moisture and humidity as they absorb moisture and can explode from the osmosis of moisture entering their bodies........ and I actively pinch off the leaves that are loaded with eggs. Smaller yield, but it helps control the population.
Jack Harer
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A bit off topic here, but can anyone who's grown both compare the Iranian G13 to the ES? I'm looking at both.
researchkitty
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Jack, I grew Iranian G13 back in the "Kitty's 6000w Grow Op" thread somewhere here from 2010...... With the Endless sky in our current grow thread, that means we did both! The G13 is a much branchier and less of a yielder, however is more crystally and presentable. Endless Sky is a short nug stalk real dense and big, but not as presentable nor as crystally as the G13. Personally, I'd skip both and get a different strain. Try Bubblelicious from Nirvana? 60 days to a plant so crystally you can see your reflection in it.........
The G13 is a much branchier and less of a yielder, however is more crystally and presentable. Endless Sky is a short nug stalk real dense and big, but not as presentable nor as crystally as the G13. Personally, I'd skip both and get a different strain. Try Bubblelicious from Nirvana? 60 days to a plant so crystally you can see your reflection in it.........