Eurozone leaders agree to $1.4 Trillion rescue package

[dukeanthony]

if China is divested of American dollars
how come they own so many treasury bonds?

 

[Coals]

if China is divested of American dollars
how come they own so many treasury bonds?

Because they don't want the US dollar to fail.

They realize that buy not buying bonds and forcing the US to go to their traditional lenders in the private sector they are just helping that process along. At the same time they want to limit their own exposure though. So by not TRADING in US daollars they are limiting risk. Traditionally they have played the same game as most of the first world and traded in US dollars, but those outstanding debts are vulnurable. So rather than have them at all they are using them to buy assets of value- Gold, Silver, Land, Water etc etc.

Remeber we don't owe China that much money in the grand cheme of things. Its just been a red herring issue, held up in the media to distract the people from reality. That reality is that we ower "private organizations and individuals" far more than we owe China. Those "private entities" are the owners of the BofA, JP Morgan, Chase etc and the shareholders of the Federal Reserve. Many of those institutions are owned at least partially by foreign peoples.

Is the scam becomming a little clearer now? Its a monopolistic fraud burried in legal and otherwise needlessly complicated jargin that is maipulated by the lamestream media to distract you.

I have posted this graph befor, but this is a good,mostly up to date account of Americas lenders: http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2011/03/who-does-the-us-owe-money-to/

 

[The Ruiner]

The EU is the parasite. The entire first world is owned by the directors of the perpetual debt system. That system is dysfunctional. The US is simply at the top of the system. The same people that are selling the EU their money and sucking copious amounts of wealth, assets and power off the top are executing the same scam here.

Its a death cycle. Force "soverign" nations to buy their own currency at interest, odvioulsy bankrupting even the most fiscaly resposnible government, thus tightening the noose on the social structure. Slowly but surely the money runs out, services are cut and/or privatized in the notion "its just not affordable". The reality is that the state is paying far more in interest on every dollar they buy. As a result the people and smaller companies are bankrupted allowing the financiers to swoop in and swap their paper debt for actual assets and power/control/influence. The financiers companies get bailed out, gobble up the smaller firms and/or get preferential treatment by government. Meanwhile the country goes bankrupt, allowing the financiers even more power within, and the country eventually either outright fails and is invaded by the financiers private armies (NATO, US allies etc) and/or the government becomes completely corrupted and controlled by private interests (Americas case). Its more like a Plutocracy, or Monarchy or Oligarchy than Democracy. The more money power and control that is sucked out of the surfs is just more money, power and control for the King(s).

Life is good for those at the top when everything fails.

This is why the only two countries that could possibly compete with the US have pulled out of the US dollar. China and Russia know exactly what is going on and are moving to protect themselves by trading their American paper for assets of value. The writting is on the wall. Unless nothing drastic is changed soon the American Dollar is going to tank. If nothing is changed and it does tank, the Financiers will have even more control and an even larger amount of the Capital and Assets. By trading in US dollars, China and Russia realized they might be helping to finance the Euro/NorthAmero Empire that will eventually attack them.

The industrial millitary complex always survives no matter the "domestic" economic conditions of a country because the Kings know they have nothing without a strong millitary and police force. A complex here that is currently being privatized at a tremendous rate.

We can worry about abortion, gay marriage, productivity, tax rates and other social and domestic economic details after we re-gain control of our monetary system, untill then we will continue to not have any control of our future.

I see a lot of allegations, and nothing to support your claims...you have no basis for anything you are putting out there.

I don't really think you are monitoring reality, but maybe rhetoric.

Furthermore, you don't even know how the eurozone economy was tied together, or how Greece took advantage of it to get themselves (and the rest of the EU) in the mess that they did.

I don't know where you get your information, or more accurately your opinion, but it's time for you start looking elsewhere.

 

[Coals]

I see a lot of allegations, and nothing to support your claims...you have no basis for anything you are putting out there.

I don't really think you are monitoring reality, but maybe rhetoric.

Furthermore, you don't even know how the eurozone economy was tied together, or how Greece took advantage of it to get themselves (and the rest of the EU) in the mess that they did.

I don't know where you get your information, or more accurately your opinion, but it's time for you start looking elsewhere.

I'm sorry but this is the way the world has worked for centuries. Individuals own the money system. They always have. The world is controled by money, which means whomever owns that system, controls the world. Remeber that everytime money is moved between countries or individuals a person owns that transaction and thus profits off of it. That includes money CREATION. Individuals create our money forus to use. As far as they are concerned they are providing us with a service and thus chraging us accordingly. Ofcourse we can perform this service for ourselves just fine, but then we would control the system and thus control our financial future and thats a bad thing.

Here are some llinks regarding perpetual debt. Remeber there is always an individual at the top.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur5k9NalS90&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zPyZZIvwCc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKXF93CACzA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG1DUn8mMwk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CofEbxtIxI&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtgfzzwoyK4

None of this info is hidden. It is all out there and presented to you its just not packaged up and laid out in front of you to see the big picture. You will see though that the world makes far more logical sense when you follow the money and more importantly the control of the money with regards to every major world event. The peices of the puzzel will fall into place much easier.

Regardless of all that, the simple math still presides. A government must spend less than 0 to be able to repay a debt on money it must purchase and pay interest on prior to putting the money into circulation.

 

[NoDrama]

Regardless of all that, the simple math still presides. A government must spend less than 0 to be able to repay a debt on money it must purchase and pay interest on prior to putting the money into circulation.

I don't think people are understanding how the interest thing works out, so I will use a example. Lets say we have a brand new country, it has a central bank, but has not created any currency yet. The government wants to build roads and buildings, but has no money so they make a Bond that is for 20 years in length and pays a 5% coupon each year. The government gets the money and starts hiring people to do the work and provide the materials. After a year the government has spent the money and the currency is now in circulation. After a year the People who purchased the Bonds are given their 5% coupon of $50,000. The government gets the money needed to pay the coupon by taxing the citizens. Lets say the Government is very efficient and runs on self created income and only needs to tax the citizens a total of 5% each year, just so they can pay the coupon on the bonds they sold (now called Treasuries). After 20 years what happens is the people have no money, the government has no money, the bankers have all the money and they are still owed the principal of $1million. Since most of the buildings and projects were financed by the bankers as collateral the bankers get all the buildings and roads and bridges and homes and businesses from all the people defaulting on the loans because there is no money. The Bankers end up with all the money AND all the wealth that money created. They stimulate the system by going "long" then at the right time they crash the system and go short, then at the bottom they purchase all the assets. They have been doing this for hundreds of years.

The only way Government can survive is by rolling over the loans and issuing ever more bonds to cover the last loan plus interest on the next loan. A snake eating its own tail until there is no more tail. Eventually the law of exponentials catches up to you and you can no longer issue enough currency to keep the ever rising amount of interest that is due at a sustainable level. We are nearly at that stage, all it will take is a black swan event that starts the ball rolling, could it be Greece? perhaps MF Global? Maybe neither, maybe the USA will be able to borrow until a deficit of 1 quadrillion is reached?

 

[The Ruiner]

So...actually understanding how Greece screwed the pooch is not worth investigating?

You would rather watch youtube vids? Since when do youtube videos count as actual research?

Why are you hesitant towards learning?

 

[Coals]

So...actually understanding how Greece screwed the pooch is not worth investigating?

You would rather watch youtube vids? Since when do youtube videos count as actual research?

Why are you hesitant towards learning?

I know, it is a rational casual conversation peice. Except lazy Greeks are on every channel on television and every station on the radio. Everyone is bitching about lazy, socialist, tax evading greeks who couldn't turn turds into gold. Everyone is talking about it all of the time everywhere.

But who gives a fuck?

Regardless of wether you work hard, pay your taxes and walk your dog twice a day, or sit on your ass and eat Gyro's, SOMEONE STEALS EVERYTHING FROM US.

Some would say they are smart for not paying taxes, sitting on their asses and trying to take as much as possible for as little as possible befor the vultures swoop in.

Those vultures have large wings and will cross the Atlantic or any other large body of water to scavenge any country perpetuating the perpetual debt scheme.

This is a pretty good video with a history of our money system and how it evolved into what it is today. There is a Money as Debt 2 if your interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc3sKwwAaCU

And I'm going to have to ask you to define "actual research" for me befor I try to answer that one.

 

[Coals]

maybe the USA will be able to borrow until a deficit of 1 quadrillion is reached?

I wonder if we'll make it to quadrillion. I suspect so as they are clearly not ready to let the dollar collapse. I think it's pretty clear they wont be collapsing the dollar untill they have a cashless society and a National ID card.

On the other hand there is a lot of evidence that they are losing control.

One thing for sure is that a quadrillion is going to make everyone of us very fucking poor.

I think we'll see the total collapse of the middle class, a quadrillion national debt, National ID and a cashless society befor they let the dollar go.

 

[beardo]

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[Coals]

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He was wrong. China bought bonds and only bonds. Which makes no fucking sense at all and definetly adds ammo to the "China is also controled by Rothschild camp".

If China buys Italian gold at some point it will be because Rothschild says so, not China. If thats truly the case then China wont be buying Italian gold anytime soon as gold and silver are the anti-christ to the fiat currency cartels.